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Old 02-25-2010, 04:14 AM   #21
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I believe Goyer could turn out a decent script for Superman, though many of his ideas are a little flimsy on screen. Dropping Singer does not really bother me. He had his shot and the mixed reaction by fans was sure to doom his chances for a sequel. Why can't Luthor be dropped or appear as a very minor character? It was the horribly hokey tone of Luthor in Superman Returns that ultimately sunk the movie, among other things.
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Remember Clark Kent is the costume that Superman wears. Superman could be considered like Bruce Wayne not Batman.
You mean Superman is the costume and Clark Kent is the real person. Bruce Wayne is the costume and Batman is the real being?

I'll nominate someone for Superman.


Talented actor, in really good shape and totally has that Clark Kent feel.
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You mean Superman is the costume and Clark Kent is the real person. Bruce Wayne is the costume and Batman is the real being?

I'll nominate someone for Superman.


Talented actor, in really good shape and totally has that Clark Kent feel.
Hamm is someone I would never have considered for Clark Kent.........but I kind of like that idea.
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You mean Superman is the costume and Clark Kent is the real person.
It depends on what era you are talking about. Pretty much any version (movies, radio, comics, television) of him before the 1986 John Byrne reboot in the comics, Superman was the real persona and Clark was just an act. Since then, in both comics and popular media, Clark is the real persona and Superman is just a costume he puts on.

The change was made to humanize Superman. It was not a coincidence he was also depowered at the same time compared to prior levels. I prefer the older interpretation of the character, but I imagine most newer fans who only have watched Smallville prefer the newer take.
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It depends on what era you are talking about. Pretty much any version (movies, radio, comics, television) before the 1986 John Byrne reboot in the comics, Superman was the real persona and Clark was just an act. Since then, in both comics and popular media, Clark is the real persona and Superman is just a costume he puts on.

The change was made to humanize Superman. It was not a coincidence he was also depowered at the same time compared to prior levels. I prefer the older interpretation of the character, but I imagine most newer fans who only have watched Smallville prefer the newer take.
Was not aware of that, but as mentioned my knowledge of Superman is Christopher Reeve movies and Smallville.
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Ooo, Jon Hamm would be a good choice. I liked him as Dr. Drew Baird on 30 Rock. Of course, that is the only thing I have seen him in. I honestly prefer the "toned down" Superman but I'll take anything really.
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It depends on what era you are talking about. Pretty much any version (movies, radio, comics, television) of him before the 1986 John Byrne reboot in the comics, Superman was the real persona and Clark was just an act. Since then, in both comics and popular media, Clark is the real persona and Superman is just a costume he puts on.

The change was made to humanize Superman. It was not a coincidence he was also depowered at the same time compared to prior levels. I prefer the older interpretation of the character, but I imagine most newer fans who only have watched Smallville prefer the newer take.
Yes he was definitely different and if you grew up on that Superman, you have every right to prefer it. I like the newer take on Superman only because it adds a difference between him and Batman. Batman isn't a human being in a sense. He's too involved in what he does. Superman isn't a human being but strives to be a human being and is a good hearted man. He dons the costume because he doesn't want Clark Kent identity to get mixed up with Superman. He wants to help people but you got to do what you go to do.

BTW I hate Smallville, I think it's an insult to Superman. I grew up on Superman TAS and Dean Cain Superman. I don't like the Dean Cain show that much though.


Just deage him a bit and you got your official Superman. He's the voice.


Here's your Lex. I can't tell if it's real or photoshopped but for those who know the actor will always remember him as Lex.
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Um, was I the only one who saw X2: X-MEN United???

The plan was to start out slow, get people reacquainted with the Superman universe and mythos as laid out by the Donner film(s), and then have a kick-ass followup film. I've heard the story outline for the second Singer film from people associated with the production of the first film and all I can say is...dammit. We have lost a great film.

PS: I grew up with the Donner originals and Returns is a great followup. Seeing Luthor interacting with the Jor-El holographic projection was chilling.
X2: X-Men United is one of my favs and one of the best comic book movies (the first X-Men not so great), which made it all the more baffling why Superman Returns came out the way it did. The whole Singer Superman thing has been argued about to death and I just can't do it anymore. I'm just glad someone else will be taking the helm.....as long as it's not Sam Raimi.
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Jonah Nolan is apparently co-writing the script with Goyer. From IGN:

EXCLUSIVE UPDATE: IGN has heard from reliable sources that Tull is downplaying this report. Goyer is in fact on the project, but not only that -- his The Dark Knight co-writer Jonah Nolan will also be scripting Superman: The Man of Steel along with him. Nolan's brother Christopher is expected to only executive-produce, and not direct, the film. That said, he will be "hands-on" as a producer. Since the Superman film is under the gun because of the ongoing legal entanglements involving the property, Warner Bros. wants the pair to get started on their script on the double.

Our sources add that Warners is confident in the early work that Goyer and Jonah Nolan have done so far on Batman 3, and that as a result Superman has now taken on a higher priority status at the studio than it had since Superman Returns was released.


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Yes he was definitely different and if you grew up on that Superman, you have every right to prefer it. I like the newer take on Superman only because it adds a difference between him and Batman. Batman isn't a human being in a sense. He's too involved in what he does. Superman isn't a human being but strives to be a human being and is a good hearted man. He dons the costume because he doesn't want Clark Kent identity to get mixed up with Superman. He wants to help people but you got to do what you go to do.

BTW I hate Smallville, I think it's an insult to Superman. I grew up on Superman TAS and Dean Cain Superman. I don't like the Dean Cain show that much though.


Just deage him a bit and you got your official Superman. He's the voice.


Here's your Lex. I can't tell if it's real or photoshopped but for those who know the actor will always remember him as Lex.
I second Clancy Brown as being Lex. Perfect, and he looks great bald too (Lex wears a toupee).

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I hope they find a way to get James Marsters or Michael Rosenbaum to be Lex Luthor. Those would be my top two choices to helm the role.
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Here's your Lex. I can't tell if it's real or photoshopped but for those who know the actor will always remember him as Lex.
Well that's Clancy Brown, and that photo doesn't look real to me lol, not to mention that would be from atleast 20 years ago, as Clancy is much older, but just as bad ass today. Lol, didn't he only do voice work as Lex though?
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Well that's Clancy Brown, and that photo doesn't look real to me lol, not to mention that would be from atleast 20 years ago, as Clancy is much older, but just as bad ass today. Lol, didn't he only do voice work as Lex though?
Yes but does it matter if he only did? He's the only one that got right and Clancy has a few wrinkles so it isn't a huge problem.
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Love Brown. Terrific in Shawshank and in his brief turn on Lost. Very mad that they seem to be putting Batman 3 on the backburner for this though.

Goyer and Nolan writing with Nolan overseeing was such a smart move obviously. Love the outline (if accurate).

Jon Hamm is an amazing actor and would be great for Supes/Kent.
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Love Brown. Terrific in Shawshank and in his brief turn on Lost. Very mad that they seem to be putting Batman 3 on the backburner for this though.

Goyer and Nolan writing with Nolan overseeing was such a smart move obviously. Love the outline (if accurate).

Jon Hamm is an amazing actor and would be great for Supes/Kent.
Wait a minute Brown was in Lost? I might be tempted to watch that show now.

And if anyone comes in here arguing that Brown is too old. You're telling me Kevin Spacey and Gene Hackman weren't?
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... did not know Clancy Brown did the voice of Lex in TAS. I can't believe I did not know that that. He would be good as Lex, I would hope he and Superman would be the same height (just like it that way).
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Wait a minute Brown was in Lost? I might be tempted to watch that show now.

And if anyone comes in here arguing that Brown is too old. You're telling me Kevin Spacey and Gene Hackman weren't?
It was a brief Cameo.
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Really hope Routh and Singer don't return. From a comic fan stand point, Singer ruined the X-Men coming to the big screen. Routh was horrible in SR. He really should not get around this or another comic movie again.

Why do a follow up to the first 4 Superman movies? They were done. It had been 20 years since the last one. It was a stupid idea. If Singer supposedly was going to make a kick ass Superman movie out of the sequel, maybe that shows he was spending more time thinking of a sequel than what he should had done with this one, which was have Superman actually fight someone. I think Singer was just too afriad to do a new Superman, because he knew he couldn't do it.
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... did not know Clancy Brown did the voice of Lex in TAS. I can't believe I did not know that that. He would be good as Lex, I would hope he and Superman would be the same height (just like it that way).
Clancy Brown does a lot of voice work for animation.
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