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Old 08-16-2017, 07:43 PM   #1
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Warner Archives has announced today the September 19th release for Porky Pig 101 a unique 5-disc DVD set that collects 99 black-and-white Looney Tunes (and two Technicolor Merrie Melodies) starring Warner Bros. first cartoon superstar.
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Old 08-17-2017, 05:43 AM   #3
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Well this is exciting!!!
Kind of a bummer these are not on bluray though...I though WB must have 2k or 4k scans of all of their original shorts by now....

Any word if these shorts are complete or if they have been edited/censored for content?

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Old 08-18-2017, 04:22 AM   #5
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Very cool, nice to see at least a portion of the black and white cartoons get a release.

It's too bad the people running Cartoon Network nowadays refuse to air pretty much anything from cartoon history, even Boomerang has been mostly retooled. Maybe one of these days we will see the return shows like Late Night Black & White and The Popeye Show.
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Well this is exciting!!!
Kind of a bummer these are not on bluray though...I though WB must have 2k or 4k scans of all of their original shorts by now....
Whether the set is on Blu-Ray or not, if you love classic Warner Bros animation, BUY IT.
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Old 08-18-2017, 05:48 AM   #7
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Whether the set is on Blu-Ray or not, if you love classic Warner Bros animation, BUY IT.
That's right. Jerry Beck and Stu Shokus said on Stu's Show last night that the only way for classic animation to continue on DVD at Warner is to buy this set and make it sell.

More sets are planned after this and to give you some motivation; MGM Tex Avery is on the list.
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Old 08-18-2017, 06:22 AM   #8
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I do plan on getting this release, but Warner Brothers we have already been here.
I got all the sets on Laserdisk. I got all the sets on DVD. I got the 3 Platinum releases.
I hate to see you back-pedal now to DVD.

Are the E-sales at the Archives that sizable? I just can't fathom that the average person who buys DVD's in the brick and mortar stores even knows the Archives label exists.

Your target market for a porky collector's set is classic animation collectors. A dedicated set of buyers who will buy your product for a good price on bluray. But since you have sold us your product TWICE already, we aren't as keen on paying high prices for the triple-dip.

Do you also realize that playing your Porky DVD on our 4K displays means the 480 data stream will only fill one-sixteen of the pixels? This means the software has to guess at the other 15/16ths of the data (the display algorithms are very good) but why not give us 1080 data?

I am mildly excited for this release. Wish you could have gone the extra mile like a small independent distributor is able to with bluray releases.
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read the below on the other forum - i concur and will be skipping the release



WB is run by THE "MOST BRILLIANT PEOPLE EVER" - EXXXXTTTRREEEMMMMEEEEEEE SARCASM


not only do they botch the release by being DVD only


not only do they botch the release by only 20 or so cartoons per DVD


they leave off the final 18 PORKY PIG in PORKY SERIES - explain why they did not include them????????? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porky_Pig_filmography
- NOTE - I DON'T MEAN ONES PORKY APPEARS IN OTHER CHARACTERS SERIES'S


at least then would been complete collection of PORKY SERIES - what we have is a DVD only incomplete mess


should be chronological order from 1st Merry Melodies / Looney Tunes, regardless of character on Dual Layer Blu-Rays
1. What's wrong with having it be DVD? HD or not, at least you'll still have over 50 cartoons never before available on home video, and that's what really matters.
2. How is having 20 cartoons per disc "botching"?
3. They just wanted the set to have every black and white Porky Pig cartoon. Why do you have a problem with that?
4. Mess? Hardly.
5. Sometimes it's better to have sets be themed. Like the Walt Disney Treasures DVDs.
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Old 08-18-2017, 10:36 PM   #10
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1. they have remastered blu-ray worthy transfers, using old transfers is stupid

2. cause dual-layer dvds can hold much more than 20 cartoons and still have great quality

3. IF you would read it has 2 color cartoons on it, so since they did that, IF WB had brains they would included the last 18 of PORKY PIG series cartoons and no im not meaning the daffy series where porky is in

4. yes a poorly planned mess

5. the theme here was botched by including the color ones, so since did that should included the other 18 color ones
Your outrage culture is yawn-inducing. Typical 2017 entitlement. Instead of being happy with what you are getting, you find fault (and would rather focus) on what's not there. Another reason this while world is going down the drain.

Nowhere in the press release did they say it was every cartoon. They said "a unique 5-disc DVD set that collects 99 black-and-white Looney Tunes (and two Technicolor Merrie Melodies) starring Warner Bros. first cartoon superstar." So yeah, they left some off, but never said they were supposed to be there.

Glad you'll be skipping it, though (although I bet you won't, but pretend you do on line just to keep up the outrage).
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Old 08-18-2017, 10:59 PM   #11
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They are unedited.
But, will they forget to include the really politically incorrect ones? This is Warner Brothers we are talking about.
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But, will they forget to include the really politically incorrect ones? This is Warner Brothers we are talking about.
They never forgot to include them in the Golden and Platinum Collections.
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I emailed Jerry Beck about why no Blu-Rays were made, and this is what he said.

"Several reasons. The main one is that many of the cartoons aren't restored to HD standards. This is an experimental set to see if there is still any demand by consumers for this sort of product. If it sells well, more better (and blu-ray) discs from the collection will be made available."
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Old 08-18-2017, 11:32 PM   #14
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I know Disney has their animation back catalog preserved (with the exceptions of some missing Oswald and Alice shorts, nothing to be done about that), didn't know Warner Bros. also scanned their shorts collection.

Anyway, DVDs can still look smashing on a good display, given solid mastering. Dr. Syn alias The Scarecrow looks stunning. Anchor Bay's old 90's DVD of The Happiest Millionaire is practically a masterpiece. Can they look better? Sure, but they aren't a finger in the eye, either.
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I know Disney has their animation back catalog preserved (with the exceptions of some missing Oswald and Alice shorts, nothing to be done about that), didn't know Warner Bros. also scanned their shorts collection.

Anyway, DVDs can still look smashing on a good display, given solid mastering. Dr. Syn alias The Scarecrow looks stunning. Anchor Bay's old 90's DVD of The Happiest Millionaire is practically a masterpiece. Can they look better? Sure, but they aren't a finger in the eye, either.
Animation on video has always been a take what you can get situation. It is kind of frustrating to see WB abandoning its second modern release strategy for these shorts for a third of lesser quality than the second (Golden DVDs, Blus, MOD DVDs) but it's impossible for me to balk at them finally taking a comprehensive chronological approach as shown to be the best way to do this by the Treasures sets (the value of which is certainly not negated by the fact that they are DVDs). I haven't watched like 85% of my Golden or Blu sets because I got both all in one chunk and it all seems so slap dash and haphazardly assembled (So far in 5 years of having the DVDs and 3 months of the Blus I think I've watched all of GC 1 and a disc of GC 2 and the bad-80s-LD-quality Tex Avery shorts on one of the Blu sets). A chronological set is way more digestible/sensible for me (I've watched all my Disney Treasures sets despite likewise getting most of them in one chunk).

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They never forgot to include them in the Golden and Platinum Collections.

Since the Platinum and Golden collections were glorified best of sets you wouldn't even know if they were going forget to include something. lol.
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I'm pretty sure the majority of the 30s stuff is only available in old analog masters, which is why this is DVD only. Fine by me.

As for themed/chronological sets back in 2003, there's no way Warner would release a set of the original non-character, music and color oriented Merrie Melodies on their own under the "Looney Tunes" banner. I'd like it and I hope they do one for the Archive but 99% of the general public would be thinking, "What the **** is this? Where's Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck?"

I don't disagree with the approach Warner took for the Goldens and Platinums. Entire discs of one character can get old really fast, particularly stuff like Speedy Gonzales (even the stuff that was actually good, like Coyote and Roadrunner.)

Porky Pig is different, though. Very glad this release is happening.
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I'm pretty sure the majority of the 30s stuff is only available in old analog masters, which is why this is DVD only. Fine by me.

As for themed/chronological sets back in 2003, there's no way Warner would release a set of the original non-character, music and color oriented Merrie Melodies on their own under the "Looney Tunes" banner. I'd like it and I hope they do one for the Archive but 99% of the general public would be thinking, "What the **** is this? Where's Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck?"

I don't disagree with the approach Warner took for the Goldens and Platinums. Entire discs of one character can get old really fast, particularly stuff like Speedy Gonzales (even the stuff that was actually good, like Coyote and Roadrunner.)

Porky Pig is different, though. Very glad this release is happening.
99% of the general public doesn't buy $60 DVD sets, so your point is moot.
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I'm pretty sure the majority of the 30s stuff is only available in old analog masters, which is why this is DVD only. Fine by me.

As for themed/chronological sets back in 2003, there's no way Warner would release a set of the original non-character, music and color oriented Merrie Melodies on their own under the "Looney Tunes" banner. I'd like it and I hope they do one for the Archive but 99% of the general public would be thinking, "What the **** is this? Where's Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck?"

I don't disagree with the approach Warner took for the Goldens and Platinums. Entire discs of one character can get old really fast, particularly stuff like Speedy Gonzales (even the stuff that was actually good, like Coyote and Roadrunner.)

Porky Pig is different, though. Very glad this release is happening.
The thing to do would've been to start with the most marketable complete chronological collections and build out to the more obscure/marginal stuff (like how Mickey Mouse in Color 1 > > Mickey Mouse in B/W 2 > > Pluto 2 > > Oswald).

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The Looney Tunes characters are still a stable of American pop culture. Of course it's gonna sell well.
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