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Old 02-14-2021, 11:07 PM   #81
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Dr Strangelove, The Shining?
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Old 02-16-2021, 05:10 AM   #82
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Most flat widescreen films and animations are shot at 1.37 academy ratio, and positioned/framed to be soft matted down to a wider ratio, usually 1.85 or 1.66. Some productions are hard masked in camera or animated (at 1.55 VistaVision ratio or even 1.75 at the DOP/Director's choice) to avoid boom mics or unintended objects showing up that normally appear in the 1.37 frame.

Reformatting to 1.33 for TV/video opens back up most of the 1.37 aperture, rather than complete pan and scanning like anamorphic/CinemaScope productions get butchered in.

In most cases, a 1.33 version will never contain the complete 1.37 aperture. It will typically be zoomed in to a degree to avoid boom mics or equipment/props that aren't intended to appear. There are some known instances of such goofs appearing on the original VHS releases of Predator, Pee Wee's Big Adventure, and more.

Some bigger budgeted productions shoot and compose the rear view projection, CG, and VFX shots to approximately at the theatrical ratio. These shots will be heavily zoomed in to a degree to avoid black borders and/or unfinished/garbage objects from showing up in the frame.

The same basic rules also apply to Super35 productions. These usually have CG/VFX shots animated/rendered at 16:9 dimensions so a clean 1.33 crop can be achieved, though sometimes such shots are done near or at the intended 2.35 framing, and will be ether heavily cropped or completely pan and scanned in 1.33 or 1.78 versions.
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Old 02-16-2021, 07:31 AM   #83
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Anyone know of movies in Open Matte on Blu-ray? Don't know why that's not a thing.
The UK release of Predestination is opened up from 2:35 to 16:9 (albeit while losing a little bit at the sides)


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Old 02-16-2021, 08:20 AM   #84
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Once upon a time in Mexico was 2.35 at the cinema but I think all video releases were 1.78.
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Old 02-16-2021, 01:18 PM   #85
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UK Blu-ray of The Flowers of War is open matte
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There are some known instances of such goofs appearing on the original VHS releases of [...] Pee Wee's Big Adventure, and more.
I have a distinct memory from my childhood of renting Pee Wee's Big Adventure on VHS and it was open matte of course, and the scene where he's pulling the bike chain out of the basket, and you can clearly see it come up from the bottom of the basket. At the time, I didn't realize it was an error and I just thought it was a really surreal work of cinema craft.
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Old 02-27-2021, 09:50 AM   #87
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The Warner release of the US Funny Games remake includes an open-matte full screen option:

https://www.dvdexotica.com/2019/05/s...nny-games.html
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I watched a comparison of Open Matte vs Theatrical AR of Jurassic Park on YouTube, and wow, the Open Matte version made the film look so.. standard.

Still, I'd watch it.
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The special effects shots in Jurassic Park were hard-matted, so any "full frame" transfer zooms in on those. I watched a lot of it from the projection booth and saw the mattes appear whenever there was an effect shot and disappear (going back to 4x3) afterwards. The Lost World was entirely hard-matted.
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Anyone care to check Species II for me? While the blu's scarce and pricey, I figure I can probably live with the ol' DVD if there's a nice bonus of the 4 by 3 version being open and not hard matted.

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Anyone care to check Species II for me? While the blu's scarce and pricey, I figure I can probably live with the ol' DVD if there's a nice bonus of the 4 by 3 version being open and not hard matted.

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The fullscreen version of Species II is opened up for most shots. The exception being the CG VFX stuff which were most probably animated and rendered at near theatrical ratio.
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The Simitar DVD of Rush Week is open-matte:


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The fullscreen version of Species II is opened up for most shots. The exception being the CG VFX stuff which were most probably animated and rendered at near theatrical ratio.

Gratitude. Figured I'd take a hit on the effects. Otherwise, sounds good and should be fine, especially since II's HD master is fairly soft; compression artifacts in the SD might be its most significant flaw.

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The full screen version on The Good Girl DVD is open-matte:

http://www.dvdexotica.com/2021/04/be...good-girl.html
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Open matte on an old-school CRT is my preferred way of watching films.
It's like IMAX on a retro tube TV.
I really wish the Christopher Nolan DVDs for the IMAX films were non-anamorphic for the widescreen scenes but are in the full 1.43:1 for the IMAX scenes, but it seems that many newer 4:3 films are mastered in 16:9 even on DVD.
Films like The Lighthouse, Loving Vincent and A Ghost Story are fullscreen films which are mastered as 16:9 DVDs with pillarboxes, further shrinking the image when played on a 4:3 TV. Later DVDs of Cinderella (1950) and also some of the US Sailor Moon DVDs also had this problem.
I am still hoping that Zack Snyder's Justice League is proper 4:3 on DVD and not just 4:3 in a 16:9 frame.
I will then remux the Blu-ray Dolby Atmos track to the DVD and watch it on my CRT in 4:3 without black bars, truly feeling like IMAX the retro way.
This is why open matte is my preferred way of watching films over widescreen.

I had a dream of an alternate history with IMAX Enhanced Blu-rays and HD-DVDs (later 4K UHDs), as well as 4:3 TVs and projectors (in every technology both new and old) expanding films to their fullest aspect ratio with metadata telling which parts to crop off for preserving the theatrical aspect ratio or whether to expose everything in either a 4:3 or 16:9 image.
IMAX Enhanced displays would've been the same size as 16:9 TVs but given more vertical size.
Many films would've received 4:3 IMAX Enhanced Blu-ray releases and it would be the new standard, with the maximum resolution being a 4:3 1440p rather than a 16:9 1080p.
When 4K came along, the resolution of IMAX Enhanced was upgraded from 1440p to 2880p, larger than 2160p.
Films which were composited in both 1.85:1 and 4:3 depending on VFX just had variable aspect ratios, with the image going widescreen whenever there are VFX like Back to the Future and Jurassic Park.
All of the visible equipment/boom mics/other errors would've been tastefully edited out with CGI.
IMAX would've never abandoned 4:3 in cinemas either, continuing to project in 4:3 and films like Avengers: Endgame would be filmed in 4:3 and cropped to scope for regular cinemas.
This is surely better than the real IMAX Enhanced, which is just snake oil.

Watching open matte films on a CRT has that beautiful purist CRT aesthetic just like playing retro games with real hardware on a CRT.
My CRT is still working and looks fantastic but it has surely seen better days.
I really wish some madlad company out there decides to make new high-end CRT monitors and projectors for people like us and for the retro gaming community.
They could probably even make CRTs with 4K or even 8K HDR with advancements in technology. 1440p was possible on CRT monitors 15 years ago.

I dreamed of an all-new display technology that would be compatible with all the quirks of CRTs (including proper handling of interlacing and light guns on retro consoles) and the newfangled features of modern OLED TVs, if such a technology is even possible.
The image would've looked like a CRT on steroids with larger, flatter screen sizes but all the nostalgic stuff that made CRTs beautiful (but will not degrade newer HD and 4K content) and even the old school tube turning off effect.
It would've been available as a TV and projector technology.
This display technology could output at the native resolution of the content just like CRTs and wasn't fixed pixel like OLEDs.
It would've been an analogue display technology just like CRTs of ye olden days but most of them had high quality DACs that would perfectly convert HDMI signals to analogue, even with 3D, Dolby Vision and HDR10+.
Many of them were 16:9 in my dreams but there were also high-end IMAX 4:3 models.

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