New H.265 twice as efficient as H.264!

[Richard Paul]

The perseus codec is real but the statements about it are probably nothing more than hot air. I have seen dozens of companies come out with video standards that were supposed to change the world but all that happened was that the companies sucked up millions of dollars and than vanished.

In my opinion the only video standards that have even a small chance of competing with HEVC would be VP9 (it can do good quality but requires a higher bit rate) and Daala (still under development and requires a higher bit rate). If the uncertainty about the HEVC patents gets bad I could see VP9 getting added as a fall back option. It is probably too late to do that with Ultra HD Blu-ray but I am sure that a lot of companies are worried that HEVC is going to end up with MPEG-2 level royalties.

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

The perseus codec is real but the statements about it are probably nothing more than hot air. I have seen dozens of companies come out with video standards that were supposed to change the world but all that happened was that the companies sucked up millions of dollars and than vanished.

In my opinion the only video standards that have even a small chance of competing with HEVC would be VP9 (it can do good quality but requires a higher bit rate) and Daala (still under development and requires a higher bit rate). If the uncertainty about the HEVC patents gets bad I could see VP9 getting added as a fall back option. It is probably too late to do that with Ultra HD Blu-ray but I am sure that a lot of companies are worried that HEVC is going to end up with MPEG-2 level royalties.

VP9 smacks of YouTube, it will have been geared towards streaming at all costs, I doubt I will be proven wrong.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by bailey1987

VP9 smacks of YouTube, it will have been geared towards streaming at all costs, I doubt I will be proven wrong.

I don't like vp9 it makes some odd choices, I can't describe it but in stuff I encoded the HEVC stuff just looks better

[bailey1987]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

I don't like vp9 it makes some odd choices, I can't describe it but in stuff I encoded the HEVC stuff just looks better

Another point about VP9 that makes it less desirable is that Google are planning to release new iterations of it on a 18 month period, by the time ULTRA HD Blu-ray is in the mainstream VP9 will be in the double digits. None of the newer iterations of it are likely to be compatible with ultra HD Blu-ray, therefore it is unlikely to be used on the format, like I said it stinks of YouTube.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by img eL

Is this a April fools joke or Vapor

Oh, they’re quite serious about desiring to make lots of money.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

The perseus codec is real but the statements about it are probably nothing more than hot air. I have seen dozens of companies come out with video standards that were supposed to change the world but all that happened was that the companies sucked up millions of dollars and than vanished.

In my opinion the only video standards that have even a small chance of competing with HEVC would be VP9 (it can do good quality but requires a higher bit rate) and Daala (still under development and requires a higher bit rate). If the uncertainty about the HEVC patents gets bad I could see VP9 getting added as a fall back option. It is probably too late to do that with Ultra HD Blu-ray but I am sure that a lot of companies are worried that HEVC is going to end up with MPEG-2 level royalties.

Broadcom and Elemental Tech have finally chimed in, scroll to the bottom of the page - http://www.v-net.tv/stealth-compress...formance-gains

Can’t you just sense their ringing endorsement for V-Nova’s new algorithm?

[vargo]

V-Nova picked a tough time to enter the market because they will have to compete with my own VargocodeⓇ codec which I will be launching next week and is over 9000 times more efficient than HEVC. The first 100 investors get a free ride on my flying pig.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by vargo

The first 100 investors get a free ride on my flying pig.

Now that's something I've always yearned to do. What's the buy in?

[Penton-Man]

Not strictly Blu-Ray related, but may be of interest to our compression codec junkies and those like member Kirsty Mc who follow new developments in the codec cingdom…. x265 v:1.6 documentation has been released - http://x265.readthedocs.org/en/1.6/

Also a heads-up, for I think the coupon may still be viable for getting this x265 HEVC upgrade for free…https://x265.com/

[Penton-Man]

Another day…..another codec - http://blogs.cisco.com/collaboration...ee-video-codec
Varg….anyone?.....heard anything about it?....or helping with development?

[vargo]

Cisco have been talking about Thor for quite a while so im not sure what happened or changed to bring it (back) into the news some days ago.

They have been working sometimes closely with the Xiph Daala team. Both are very much projects rather than ready-for-adoption codecs. Some years down the road we will hopefully see something that incorporates ideas and code from both groups (and others). The projects may of course continue separately as well.

The HEVC licensing situation sucks but projects like these are too immature to have any significant effect on HEVC adoption.

[Richard Paul]

Several major companies formed a group called the Alliance for Open Media to make a royalty free video codec.

[CharlieBarkin]

H.265 needs some player support. I could care less at the moment if its "twice as efficient" if I can't playback a file made with that codec. I used a program once to make a H.265 file and it looked good for the filesize, but then I realized it was only playable in the program that made the file (I think its PowerDirector or something like that). Nothing else I had installed would play the file.

[Roy_Batty]

VLC Player will player HEVC, or H-265!

[hajiketobu]

Originally Posted by CharlieBarkin

H.265 needs some player support. I could care less at the moment if its "twice as efficient" if I can't playback a file made with that codec. I used a program once to make a H.265 file and it looked good for the filesize, but then I realized it was only playable in the program that made the file (I think its PowerDirector or something like that). Nothing else I had installed would play the file.

You can already playback H.265 in most major players.

[CharlieBarkin]

Well, VLC isn't one of my favorites, so that would explain why I missed the fact it could play it. I must be using the wrong players to play back this stuff or things have changed in a few months that now H265 is ubiquitous. It sure wasn't when I tested it.

Off to check out a few things..... thanks.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by CharlieBarkin

Well, VLC isn't one of my favorites, so that would explain why I missed the fact it could play it. I must be using the wrong players to play back this stuff or things have changed in a few months that now H265 is ubiquitous. It sure wasn't when I tested it.

Off to check out a few things..... thanks.

I play pretty much everything on MPC-HC.

[Roy_Batty]

CharlieBBarkin, I like your avatar, I was a Character Animator on All Dogs go to Heaven!

[CharlieBarkin]

Originally Posted by Roy_Batty

CharlieBBarkin, I like your avatar, I was a Character Animator on All Dogs go to Heaven!

Very cool to hear! I actually never watched this film until I was in my 20s so it was certainly unique to watch with an older set of eyes and perspectives.


Back on topic, I went and downloaded a new version of MPC-HC. I had a really old version installed. I went and installed Handbrake and encoded some mpeg-2 vob file into a new HEVC H265 file, and lo and behold--it played, and looked really good! Might have to convert all those vob files into this new format if space gets really tight...at least I'll be happy with the results!

Thanks for setting me on the right path guys.

[AaronY]

Really wish streaming services like Netflix and amazon prime would use x265 to give us users with fast internet better 1080p. Not gonna upgrade from my 65 Panasonic plasma for a long time and it looks like they are just gonna use the codec for 4k and to lower the bit rate of 1080p. Would be awesome to see some stteaming shows at like 6-8 mps encoded in x265