Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Mr Kite]

Originally Posted by OLY82

Hey, what's your problem dude? Just because you refuse to watch a film on anything other than a projector sized screen, doesn't mean everyone else should follow suit. It's personal choice.

If I want to watch something on my iPad Pro 256GB on the plane, or my Apple TV at home (which provides me with satisfactory audio and visual quality), who else's freakin' business is it, but mine❗️

So why you posting on this thread if it's nobody's business.

[knight17]

Originally Posted by PCFan

When you start accumulating at 200+ blu-rays, that's going to take up so much shelf space unless you butcher your blu-ray collection, lower resale value drastically in the process, by storing them in CD binders and throw out or recycle the jewel cases, if you want to keep all the blu-rays. It will also make it harder to search for a specific movie once you have them all stored in binders, even more so if they are stored in multiple binders. Some people don't have big shelves or rooms dedicated to storing physical media. With digital you can have over 1000 movies in your account, and not take up any shelf space.

I still don't seem to get what this lack of space issue means though. Granted if you want to flaunt the collection, it will take up shelf space. If you don't have the luxury they can still be stored in large boxes. I haven't got shelves, but closing in on 200 blu rays and more, I still haven't filled up the large box.

Although many mention convenience as being the most important factor for going digital, this is technically not true as you still have to download or stream using the app of the service provider (vudu, flixster etc). Having 1000s of them are not the problem but rather what do you do when access to them is limited in the future. All it takes is a software update to restrict content.

If the downloaded movie can indeed be watched on any medium then I'll accept they are convenient for those interested but otherwise a walk to the nearest store seems more convenient and healthy for me.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by OLY82

Survival of the fittest, eh.

Not really. It's the loss of a great industry to cater for the likes of you with your desire to watch Star Wars on your watch or phone IMO. It's a sad sad state of affairs. I don't even know what you are doing on this forum. There are loads of forums for streaming and mobile devices. Or do you enjoy getting a rise out of dedicated home cinema fans?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by tele1962

So why you posting on this thread if it's nobody's business.

The join date is a big indication. its like joining a baseball forum and then declaring how you love Ice Hockey but don't really care for baseball. It's odd to me.

The guy went into a Avatar/True lies thread just to state that Avatar sucks! (His words) this type of member is becoming more prominent IMO.

[huskerbear]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Not really. It's the loss of a great industry to cater for the likes of you with your desire to watch Star Wars on your watch or phone IMO. It's a sad sad state of affairs. I don't even know what you are doing on this forum. There are loads of forums for streaming and mobile devices. Or do you enjoy getting a rise out of dedicated home cinema fans?

Seriously Steedeel, I don't mind you sharing your opinion here but, it seems to upset you. This sub forum is marked "digital". There is another one here marked "blu-ray" that you would probably enjoy more....just a thought

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by huskerbear

Seriously Steedeel, I don't mind you sharing your opinion here but, it seems to upset you. This sub forum is marked "digital". There is another one here marked "blu-ray" that you would probably enjoy more....just a thought

Don't patronise me buddy. Look at the thread title.

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Right now the Internet is down in my house. This is the reason I have a hybrid of discs and digital. Pure digital is reliant on having internet. I've had nights in the past that I was forced to watch cable TV because i couldn't watch the movies I own. So aggrivating.

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

Right now the Internet is down in my house. This is the reason I have a hybrid of discs and digital. Pure digital is reliant on having internet. I've had nights in the past that I was forced to watch cable TV because i couldn't watch the movies I own. So aggrivating.

EDIT:

This is the reason they need to offer a digital download that =disc quality (whether that be DVD, Blu-ray, 4K). Then people can store it locally on a hard drive to watch it. But they really need to offer DRM-free downloads so that people can truly watch them anywhere or burn it to a disc if needed.

Studios could design a system where you go on there, enter your info and pay for a copy of the movie; and then let you download the file via a torrent (kind of like how Linux lets you download ISOs over torrents).

Yes I see that they are trying to prevent piracy. They should stop putting crippling restrictions on people who paid for it, and go after folks that put it on Pirate Bay for free.

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by hogger129

This is the reason they need to offer a digital download that = Blu-ray quality. Then people can store it locally on a hard drive to watch it. But they really need to offer DRM-free downloads so that people can truly watch them anywhere or burn it to a disc if needed. Go after the people that upload it to torrent sites for free.

It has supposedly been coming for years now for Ultraviolet movies. It was one of the reasons i went full digital when I did. They didn't fulfill their promises and I realized how dumb pure digital is at the moment. Also holy s*** was i close to my ISP cap in the past. Like really really close just by watching my own movies. Things like caps need to disappear for pure digital to have a chance.... especially for 4K.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

It has supposedly been coming for years now for Ultraviolet movies. It was one of the reasons i went full digital when I did. They didn't fulfill their promises and I realized how dumb pure digital is at the moment. Also holy s*** was i close to my ISP cap in the past. Like really really close just by watching my own movies. Things like caps need to disappear for pure digital to have a chance.... especially for 4K.

Caps won't disappear. Not for the next decade at least. I hope they never do. I hate the idea of all Digital. Makes me want to puke. Having said that, the target market don't care about quality so maybe SD will be just fin for them. Or at very best low bit-rate 720p.

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

It has supposedly been coming for years now for Ultraviolet movies. It was one of the reasons i went full digital when I did. They didn't fulfill their promises and I realized how dumb pure digital is at the moment. Also holy s*** was i close to my ISP cap in the past. Like really really close just by watching my own movies. Things like caps need to disappear for pure digital to have a chance.... especially for 4K.

And with giant files like that, most people don't have enough throughput to be able to stream it (such as with 4K); unless studios tremendously reduce the bitrate and make the video look like poo in the process. Hence, why they should offer a digital download that = disc quality and design a DRM system that works universally. I can't understand why it's so hard for studios to do that.

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

I am one of those cautionary tales people. I have been full in on both Blu-ray and on digital before. I have had a Blu-ray collection of close to 700 when that was alot. I currently have a VUDU collection of 700+. I have dealt with the pros and cons of both sides of this.

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Caps won't disappear. Not for the next decade at least. I hope hey never do. I hate the idea of all Digital. Makes me want to puke.

Caps are archaic unfortunately though. It is something that countries with better infrastructure don't have to deal with. I hope they do disappear not because I want to go full digital again, but because I hate being limited on what I can and can't do for the month.

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Caps won't disappear. Not for the next decade at least. I hope hey never do. I hate the idea of all Digital. Makes me want to puke.

I don't dislike the idea of digital. I dislike the concept of not being able to store content locally, and if I can store it locally, it's chock full of DRM. Now don't get me wrong - DVD and Blu-ray has DRM too - but at least you can watch them on pretty much any DVD or Blu-ray player.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by hogger129

I don't dislike the idea of digital. I dislike the concept of not being able to store content locally, and if I can store it locally, it's chock full of DRM. Now don't get me wrong - DVD and Blu-ray has DRM too - but at least you can watch them on pretty much any DVD or Blu-ray player.

Don't you feel Digital will just lead to a mobile only future scenario though?

[hogger129]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Don't you feel Digital will just lead to a mobile only future scenario though?

I see the point you're driving at. That studios will only offer streaming, with no option to store content locally. Sad but true. Convenience is more important to most people than quality. You see it with music too. Most people are happy with streaming or low bitrate downloads as opposed to a properly-mastered CD. It's a race to the bottom.

[Fiffy]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

It has supposedly been coming for years now for Ultraviolet movies. It was one of the reasons i went full digital when I did. They didn't fulfill their promises and I realized how dumb pure digital is at the moment.

I don't mean to rub it in, but you could have chosen "the other service" (which has offered downloads all along instead of just promising them).

Also holy s*** was i close to my ISP cap in the past. Like really really close just by watching my own movies. Things like caps need to disappear for pure digital to have a chance.... especially for 4K.

Which provider? Comcast (which is the only major wireline ISP with caps in some markets in the US, AFAIK) just raised the cap in their "test markets" to 1TB. You'll have a hard time consuming that many movies.

[PCFan]

Originally Posted by hogger129

I see the point you're driving at. That studios will only offer streaming, with no option to store content locally. Sad but true. Convenience is more important to most people than quality. You see it with music too. Most people are happy with streaming or low bitrate downloads as opposed to a properly-mastered CD. It's a race to the bottom.

Let's put it this way: Is the music mainstream to buy an MP3 album instead of a CD album even if the CD has better audio quality and you can just rip the CD to your hard drive at full bit-rate? Is the music mainstream not for buying an MP3 album but instead are just to subscribe to music services?

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by Fiffy

I don't mean to rub it in, but you could have chosen "the other service" (which has offered downloads all along instead of just promising them).
Which provider? Comcast (which is the only major wireline ISP with caps in some markets in the US, AFAIK) just raised the cap in their "test markets" to 1TB. You'll have a hard time consuming that many movies.

What other service? iTunes? I converted most of my Blu-ray collection with Ultraviolet for $2 a movie. Would you have ponied up the $7000+ to get the entire library on iTunes? I sure wasn't... I mean seriously let's be real here. That wasn't even a possibility. How the hell can you sell someone on digital telling them they need to pay thousands of dollars to rebuy movies. If I was going digital it was going to be with Ultraviolet. (As a side note a f****** hate iTunes. I actually can't stand Apple and their products as a whole. If the digital market went that direction... peace out.)


And yeah it was Comcast. I am well aware the cap was raised, but I can't time travel that to a few years ago. My post was in the past tense about having the issue when the cap was 300gb which was very very easy to hit. Plus do you think movies are the only thing to use the internet? You specifically say "You'll have a hard time consuming that many movies" as if that is the only thing used on the internet. Nevermind video games, music, YouTube, Hulu, etc... The game Quantum Break with cutscenes was around 100gb. Got to love chewing up 1/10th of your cap in a day. Data caps are BS plain and simple.

[Fiffy]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

What other service? iTunes? I converted most of my Blu-ray collection with Ultraviolet for $2 a movie. Would you have ponied up the $7000+ to get the entire library on iTunes? I sure wasn't... I mean seriously let's be real here. That wasn't even a possibility. How the hell can you sell someone on digital telling them they need to pay thousands of dollars to rebuy movies. If I was going digital it was going to be with Ultraviolet.

Who said "going digital" means to rebuy or "convert" all your existing movies? I surely won't.

As a side note a f****** hate iTunes.

Well, I can't beat well reasoned arguments like that. I think iTunes is a far better offering than any of the UV providers at the moment, but that's just me.