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Old 04-28-2008, 09:37 PM   #1
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Thumbs up Black bar haters MUST SEE THIS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEPAg...eature=related
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At least i know all the people in the world is not going to see my film cut up, paned and scaned when i wasn't panning or scanning
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people continually.....because this has a black line at the top and a black line at the bottom....think there getting something better with this(pan and scan)....because theres no black line at the top and no black line at the bottom...but infact there getting 50% of the information
here is another perfect explanation on why widescreen is good. *thanks to ajc68*

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Old 04-28-2008, 09:46 PM   #2
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I never knew what caused black bars. I thought my LCD was broken. Thanks to your post, now I know.
 
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OUTSTANDING THREAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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i agree pan and scan sucks BUT filmmakers should film in 16x9 anamorphic widescreen so that it fills up the screen!! thats all these black bar haters want! 1:85.1 is not pan and scan right? so that's all we want 16x9 FULL HD anamorphic widescreen!!
 
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I never knew what caused black bars. I thought my LCD was broken. Thanks to your post, now I know.
No, no, the next PS3 firmware update fixes that Black Bar glitch, so we can finally have a complete complete player.
 
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Ether the BB haters are having a revelation right now, or there ...........or they still like fullscreen haha
 
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i agree pan and scan sucks BUT filmmakers should film in 16x9 anamorphic widescreen so that it fills up the screen!! thats all these black bar haters want! 1:85.1 is not pan and scan right? so that's all we want 16x9 FULL HD anamorphic widescreen!!
but 16x9 will STILL be cutting off some picture.
 
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Black Bar haters...if Mr. Pollack's presentation did not full explain why we need widescreen to you, there is absolutely no hope for you at all. Excellent Post!!!!!!!!!
 
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Anamorphic widescreen does not automatically mean there will be no more black bars. Watch a non-anamorphic 2.35 DVD and then switch to an anamorphic 2.35 disc. You still have bars, but the non-anamorphic is MUCH more prevalent, not to mention it's 2.35 made for 4x3. Anamorphic just makes it so it's properly formatted for a 16x9 TV, rather than stretching a 2.35 4x3 image to fill a 16x9 set.
 
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i agree pan and scan sucks BUT filmmakers should film in 16x9 anamorphic widescreen so that it fills up the screen!! thats all these black bar haters want! 1:85.1 is not pan and scan right? so that's all we want 16x9 FULL HD anamorphic widescreen!!
For the millionth time, 16:9 is 1.78:1. Do the math yourself.

1.85 for one, for a TV that's not in idiot overscan mode, has very narrow black bars on a 16:9 TV.
 
Old 04-28-2008, 10:29 PM   #13
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I have no probs with black bars. I wish this vid was out in stores to explain to the general population what is really going on with "fullscreen" vs "widescreen"
 
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Anamorphic widescreen does not automatically mean there will be no more black bars. Watch a non-anamorphic 2.35 DVD and then switch to an anamorphic 2.35 disc. You still have bars, but the non-anamorphic is MUCH more prevalent, not to mention it's 2.35 made for 4x3. Anamorphic just makes it so it's properly formatted for a 16x9 TV, rather than stretching a 2.35 4x3 image to fill a 16x9 set.
A 2:35:1 image that's scaled to fit your TV without cropping is going to fill exactly the same image area regardless of whether the source is anamorphic or not, so the bars will not be much more prevalent.

If anything, I've seen them be less prevalent for nonanamorphic images, since that usually involves using a zoom mode, which usually zooms too aggressively and shears off a little more of the sides.

Anamorphic images do give you more detail.
 
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i agree pan and scan sucks BUT filmmakers should film in 16x9 anamorphic widescreen so that it fills up the screen!! thats all these black bar haters want! 1:85.1 is not pan and scan right? so that's all we want 16x9 FULL HD anamorphic widescreen!!
Film Makers make films to be displayed from a film projector onto a movie theater screen, not a 16X9 TV screen. So why should they be limted to that format? Simply because you don't like the black bars? Tell you what, buy a decent TV and use the zoom feature so that the picture fills up your entire screen. The rest of us prefer to watch the movie at it's intended aspect ratio, without any cropping.
 
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Film Makers make films to be displayed from a film projector onto a movie theater screen, not a 16X9 TV screen. So why should they be limted to that format? Simply because you don't like the black bars? Tell you what, buy a decent TV and use the zoom feature so that the picture fills up your entire screen. The rest of us prefer to watch the movie at it's intended aspect ratio, without any cropping.
I totally concur.
 
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i figured out a way to fix my black bars...for my 67" TV (60 W x 48 H), the black bars are 60W x 3H, so I bought to mini 60X3 LCD's and mounted them at the position of the two black bars, bought two more PS3's and connected them to the LCD's and started the movie simultaneously on all 3 PS3's!!!! trouble is now i have 6 black bars!!!! help someone!!!!
 
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Film Makers make films to be displayed from a film projector onto a movie theater screen, not a 16X9 TV screen. So why should they be limted to that format? Simply because you don't like the black bars? Tell you what, buy a decent TV and use the zoom feature so that the picture fills up your entire screen. The rest of us prefer to watch the movie at it's intended aspect ratio, without any cropping.
To be honest we're only stuck with 16:9 as a throwback to the CRT television. making extreme aspect ratio tubes was impractical and this aspect ratio was chosen as a feasible one for manufacturing CRTs. Now we have moved to the flat panel age, there is no requirement for the 16:9 aspect ratio.

Perhaps when movies become available on holographic formats, the aspect ratio of the TV will change. Mr Spielberg was apparently unhappy with 16:9 and wanted something closer to a Panavision aspect ratio.
 
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That's African American bars pal.
 
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i agree pan and scan sucks BUT filmmakers should film in 16x9 anamorphic widescreen so that it fills up the screen!! thats all these black bar haters want! 1:85.1 is not pan and scan right? so that's all we want 16x9 FULL HD anamorphic widescreen!!
NOPE !
TV Makers should put on the market TRUE WIDE SCREEN 2:40.1 TV SETS
and whenever a film is shot in 1:80.1 or something similar, there would be bars on the left and right sides and not on the tops and bottoms (just like at the movies).

Also I think the problem comes from the name given to these: Black bars, for those who don't know (as I myself used to) it suggests that part of the picture is removed and replaced by those bars, when in fact they are only black because there is an absence of picture there.

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