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Old 04-28-2008, 10:55 PM   #21
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That's African American bars pal.
If you hate black bars, then you're a racist.
 
Old 04-28-2008, 10:56 PM   #22
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but 16x9 will STILL be cutting off some picture.
not if its FILMED in 16x9, as the original poster said.

But then movie theatres would get black bars on the sides of their screens...I think.
 
Old 04-28-2008, 10:58 PM   #23
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A 2:35:1 image that's scaled to fit your TV without cropping is going to fill exactly the same image area regardless of whether the source is anamorphic or not, so the bars will not be much more prevalent.

If anything, I've seen them be less prevalent for nonanamorphic images, since that usually involves using a zoom mode, which usually zooms too aggressively and shears off a little more of the sides.

Anamorphic images do give you more detail.
A 2.35, non-anamorphic DVD such as the first release of Event Horizon (just to throw one out there) will be pillarboxed and have HUGE black bars on the top and bottom of the image. The new, anamorphic release, is made to fit the television, making the black bars much smaller, and eliminating the need for pillarboxes. The lack of anamorphic discs was the bane of early adopters of HDTV's because, in order to fill the picture, you have to zoom in and stretch it, thus eliminating detail.

I'm talking about DVD encoding, where I think you're talking about filming.

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Old 04-28-2008, 11:01 PM   #24
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NOPE !
TV Makers should put on the market TRUE WIDE SCREEN 2,40:1 TV SETS
and whenever a film is shot in 1,80:1 or something similar, there would be bars on the left and right sides and not on the tops and bottoms (just like at the movies).

Also I think the problem comes from the name given to these: Black bars, for those who don't know (as I myself used to) it suggests that part of the picture is removed and replaced by those bars, when in fact they are only black because there is an absence of picture there.
They should change the name of the bars to A.S.I.T.M.T....as seen in the movie theater
 
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My favorite thing about that video is that right after watching this director tear a new one into people for changing the aspect ratios of the original content, some clown has the gall to make this comment:

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With LCD and Plasma TVs all coming out at 16:9 ratio why is it that Directors aren't filming at 16:9?? A lot of TV stations are switching to 16:9 but film makers are still going skinnier, like 3:1. WHY? I've never been in a theatre with a 3:1 sreen.
Ummmm....replay the video and try again, k thanks.
 
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If you hate black bars, then you're a racist.
It's not that I dislike the black bars, it's just that I like the white ones a whole lot better.....




 
Old 04-28-2008, 11:12 PM   #27
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Pineapple Express trailer from the playstation store is anamorphic 2:35:1, but the blackbars are less aparent.
 
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I perfer spanish bars
 
Old 04-28-2008, 11:13 PM   #29
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Wait, this thread isn't about black bears and white bears?
 
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Wait, this thread isn't about black bears and white bears?
lol lol
 
Old 04-28-2008, 11:18 PM   #31
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Black Bar haters...if Mr. Pollack's presentation did not full explain why we need widescreen to you, there is absolutely no hope for you at all. Excellent Post!!!!!!!!!
No he did not!
He compared 2.35 to 1.33 ... not 1.85.
There would be much less loss of space in 1.85, and the filmakers would certailly have enough space to work with.
Why should we need to buy a TV 2 sizes larger to get a decect size picture?
 
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Enough space to work with for who? Do you make movies? Obviously Sam Raimi didn't have enough to work with, otherwise he wouldn't have changed to 2.4:1 between Spiderman and Spiderman 2.
 
Old 04-28-2008, 11:28 PM   #33
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i agree pan and scan sucks BUT filmmakers should film in 16x9 anamorphic widescreen so that it fills up the screen!! thats all these black bar haters want! 1:85.1 is not pan and scan right? so that's all we want 16x9 FULL HD anamorphic widescreen!!
filmakers should film movies however they freakin want. It's their movie.

Next you'll tell all photographers to take all their photos in portrait vs landscape because you prefer your frames that way. Or tell all painters to use the same size canvas or only use certain palettes or mediums because that will look better in your home. Don't pidgeon-hole art for your convenience. Art needs to be expressed how the artist invisions it.

And you'd have to pan and scan a 2.35:1 image to get it to 1.85:1. The sides get cut off just the same as making a 1.85:1 image fit in a 4:3 window.
 
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No he did not!
He compared 2.35 to 1.33 ... not 1.85.
There would be much less loss of space in 1.85, and the filmakers would certailly have enough space to work with.
Why should we need to buy a TV 2 sizes larger to get a decect size picture?
So what your saying is that a director should take away his/her artistic right to film his/her movie in the presentation that he/she desires and/or best fits the material because your TV, 16x9 or not, has black bars on it and you want the whole screen to be filled?!!! That's insane, that's like telling DeMille not to shoot The Ten Commandments in color just because you have a black and white tv.
Mr. Pollock was talking about is when you see a movie that's been paned and scanned you are not seeing the film as the filmmaker originally wanted or presented as they saw in their vision of the movie. Who are we to tell an artist, be it in filmmaking, music or what have you how to best present their work? I myself agree with Mr. Pollock, I want the movie presented in whatever format he or she originally intended. If that means 1.78:1, 2.40:1, or 4:3 so be it. If I have to have black bars on the top and bottom, on the sides, or non at all, if it's preserving the film as it was intended by the filmmaker then HELL YES I want it that way!!!!!
 
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The simplest way to fix the black bar problem is to make TVs much, much wider and much, much shorter. My goodness! What hasn't anyone thought about doing this before???
 
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your right!! what were we thinking?
 
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NOPE !
TV Makers should put on the market TRUE WIDE SCREEN 2:40.1 TV SETS
and whenever a film is shot in 1:80.1 or something similar, there would be bars on the left and right sides and not on the tops and bottoms (just like at the movies).

Also I think the problem comes from the name given to these: Black bars, for those who don't know (as I myself used to) it suggests that part of the picture is removed and replaced by those bars, when in fact they are only black because there is an absence of picture there.
ok this i very much hope comes true. black bars on the side would be better. and to the guy who said get a decent tv, you dont even know what hd set i have. i should go bigger though considering alot of people said that the 2.40.1 would seem more likable. i dont hate the black bars i just wish the black bars went so big compared to the movie itself!
 
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Enough space to work with for who? Do you make movies? Obviously Sam Raimi didn't have enough to work with, otherwise he wouldn't have changed to 2.4:1 between Spiderman and Spiderman 2.
1.85:1 was chosen for spidey 1 to give more picture height as opposed to width for the web slinging
 
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hmm thats actually a take on the black bars I hadnt heard b4... I really dont care anymore black bars no black bars w/e If I could choose would I take the bars probly not, but who cares lol
 
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This black bar debate is borderline insanity. Those who cant deal with watching a movie in OAR deserve no visual media..... and a punch in the face.
 
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