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Old 07-29-2012, 11:40 AM   #1
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Question Is 3D (TV/Blu-ray) dead?

So I noticed that there has been a sparsity of decent Blu-ray 3D releases these last few weeks which is a shame but I've also noticed that there seems to be more and more movie conversions appearing on the horizon. Conversions of questionable quality too. There's the plethora of German releases but also, recently, I've noticed releases of movies that maybe didn't have much box office success a year or so ago. Here's one example....

War Flowers 3D

It seems as though this particular film has had a problematic history too.....

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I've just realized that WarFlowers may actually be a decent movie that has just had a problematic release, but there are many other films that look like they are converted failures...e.g. Adrenaline Rush 3D

Converting and re-releasing failed movies in the hope that the 3D is somehow going to garner more interest will be yet another nail in the coffin of 3D. This type of behaviour is very cynical by the studios and if people keep experiencing sub-standard 3D in sub-standard movies, although it might make the studios a few extra bucks, it may also put people off watching 3D altogether and miss out on the decent stuff.

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Old 07-30-2012, 05:10 AM   #2
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So I noticed that there has been a sparsity of decent Blu-ray 3D releases these last few weeks which is a shame but I've also noticed that there seems to be more and more movie conversions appearing on the horizon. Conversions of questionable quality too. There's the plethora of German releases but also, recently, I've noticed releases of movies that maybe didn't have much box office success a year or so ago. Here's one example....

War Flowers 3D

It seems as though this particular film has had a problematic history too.....

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I've just realized that WarFlowers may actually be a decent movie that has just had a problematic release, but there are many other films that look like they are converted failures...e.g. Adrenaline Rush 3D

Converting and re-releasing failed movies in the hope that the 3D is somehow going to garner more interest will be yet another nail in the coffin of 3D. This type of behaviour is very cynical by the studios and if people keep experiencing sub-standard 3D in sub-standard movies, although it might make the studios a few extra bucks, it may also put people off watching 3D altogether and miss out on the decent stuff.

Gae
I think the 3D prospects are actually looking up this year!

Prometheus is going to be awesome to watch at home, I'm hoping Avatar 3D will hit stores for Christmas, Titanic and Avengers will be okay even if they're post-converted, Brave and Finding Nemo are hitting 3D Blu, The Amazing Spider Man is coming and that's on top of excellent releases like Hugo and TinTin which came out earlier this year.

Plus, gone are the days when every 3D Blu you wanted was wrapped up in some exclusive deal that made you purchase a certain vendor's TV to get the movie.
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Old 07-30-2012, 09:20 AM   #3
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I think I may just be suffering from lack of decent Blu-ray 3D release blues. Also, I don't think 3D is on the way out just yet but just that there are some worrying trends with it.

My main concern at the moment is that 3D releases seem to be diverging into two paths. 1) The genuine decent 3D releases (limited as they may be at times) coupled with studios/companies trying to exploit the technology with sub-standard conversions. I'd hate to think that some people are being put off 3D because they have only seen one or two poor conversions and have then vowed to never bother with it again. I'd like to think though, that there's enough good stuff out there to at least counteract the duff stuff and people just have to be a bit more selective as to what they buy. As a 3D fan, it's still worrying though to see the market flooded with naff attempts at 3D.

I wonder whether or not there should be some trading standards set in place? How do you implement such a thing though? We've already discovered on the forum that everyone sees 3D in a different way. What looks good 3D to one person, looks poor to another. I just hope that more and more people experience the best 3D and less people fall foul to buying the dodgy stuff.

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Old 07-30-2012, 09:52 AM   #4
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I think I may just be suffering from lack of decent Blu-ray 3D release blues. Also, I don't think 3D is on the way out just yet but just that there are some worrying trends with it.
Uh, yeah--Think you may be.
Basically, you're complaining that the only new 3D Blu you saw this week was a B-title you'd never heard of, and immediately pronounced, what was it, "coffin" something?

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My main concern at the moment is that 3D releases seem to be diverging into two paths. 1) The genuine decent 3D releases (limited as they may be at times) coupled with studios/companies trying to exploit the technology with sub-standard conversions. I'd hate to think that some people are being put off 3D because they have only seen one or two poor conversions and have then vowed to never bother with it again.
You can't stop people from being dopes. But you can, ahem, TRY to stop them from making immediate knee-jerk judgments and then acting upon them.
What we have are both big A-title and small indie B-title movies coming out, which is actually a good thing. No, not the movies, the idea that it's so common enough now that anything 3-D does get released.

What we've been suffering from is a lack of diversity, but with good, bad, big, small, new, and now old movies available on Blu-3D it's beginning to look, well....just like any other old darn format.
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Old 07-30-2012, 10:48 AM   #5
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You can't stop people from being dopes. But you can, ahem, TRY to stop them from making immediate knee-jerk judgments and then acting upon them.
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/17/dark..._2_dimensions/
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Old 07-30-2012, 11:46 AM   #6
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I think I should have named this thread..

THIS DOESN'T HELP 3D AT ALL

I still think there's been a sparsity of decent releases of late and we have another 2 months for the likes of Creature and Dial on Blu-ray 3D! Also, prices have stagnated a bit here in the UK....can't seem to find many 3D bargains at the moment.

Oh and yes, I admit that I'm just having a gripe...and what's wrong with that once in a while?

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Old 07-30-2012, 11:52 AM   #7
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Uh, yeah--Think you may be.
Basically, you're complaining that the only new 3D Blu you saw this week was a B-title you'd never heard of, and immediately pronounced, what was it, "coffin" something?
No there are several others appearing too. Just look at all the German releases on Amazon.


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Agreed, but these so called "dopes" tend to be the most vociferous in their anti-3D rants and so it just perpetuates the whole current problem of promoting 3D and making it stay this time round. We just end up with a vicious cycle.

What we need is some sort of standard in the industry to stop studios selling crap in the name of 3D.

Gae

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Old 07-30-2012, 01:35 PM   #8
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Why are you posing that article Blu-Dog? It praises IMAX as a 3D format and at the end Nolan says he wants to do 3D some day if it serves the story.
It's just to illustrate there's massive confusion about how to handle 3-D at the moment. TDKR isn't in 3-D, and it's not going to be converted.

The industry needs to actually commit to doing it right, or not doing it at all. So far, "not at all" is winning the footrace.
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Old 07-30-2012, 01:36 PM   #9
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What we need is some sort of standard in the industry to stop studios selling crap in the name of 3D.
Give that man a cigar!
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Old 07-30-2012, 01:53 PM   #10
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There is a solid slate of 3D movies coming this fall. The summer movies were full of 3D releases and those will be coming this fall. I looked at my pre-ordered movies and it is mostly 3D: Avengers, Bait, Lorax, Pirates, Prometheus and so forth. Amazing Spider-Man has not been added and Abe Lincoln is just a bit too expensive right now.

We are good to go at least for the short term.
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Old 07-30-2012, 02:09 PM   #11
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This should be under general discussion because it is an opinion.
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Old 07-30-2012, 03:03 PM   #12
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This should be under general discussion because it is an opinion.
When NickUK finds out you stole his job, he's going to be mad..

On topic,
I agree, a standard should be set and maybe a review should be performed before release or something, at least to weed out the completely flat, 12 inches into your screen conversions that are just there strictly to pray on content hungry enthusiasts. Day of the Dead, case in point. However this could destroy indy 3d, I don't see how a regulation could work.

A law suit? There's a possibility.

P.S. Who else clicked on the War Flowers link, saw Christina Ricci, then imagined how awesome she could be in 3d...? YOWZA!

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Old 07-30-2012, 03:26 PM   #13
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I don't understand why so many people have been predicting the death of 3D lately. There are a truckload of top 3D titles releasing on BD3D and in theaters in September - December 2012, and just as many Hollywood 3D movies have already been lined up for 2013 theatrical release dates. Studios and filmmakers are obviously still interested.

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I just think its the current large gap of time between 3D releases. We are in a drought now and it always seems bad in a drought. But in a few weeks we will have 3D releases coming quite frequently and all will be well again.

I'm taking this time between releases to catch up on some titles I had bought but never got around to watching.
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Why are you posing that article Blu-Dog?
Because he saw a header that said "3D is Dead!", and didn't bother to read any of the content (like, whether the poster had his facts right, or whether it had anything to do with the larger industry in the first place) before jumping in at the deep end.

Like the Belgium article, this thread will probably be on wishful off-topic life-support for the next six months and three pages, too.

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I think I should have named this thread..

THIS DOESN'T HELP 3D AT ALL
It's a START.

Here are some other suggestions:

- "'War Flowers', WTF?"
- "They're all coming out of the woodwork!"
- "Low-budget conversions?"
- "Anybody heard of this one?"
- "Is this foreign?"

...And so on.
But no. Little baby wanted to go for "I don't like this, the industry's dying."
And say it three times, and guess who appears. Heck, leave it open to abstract misinterpretation ONCE, and guess who appears.

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Old 07-30-2012, 07:26 PM   #16
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Here are some other suggestions:

- "'War Flowers', WTF?"
- "They're all coming out of the woodwork!"
- "Low-budget conversions?"
- "Anybody heard of this one?"
- "Is this foreign?"
Nah, those titles are too condoning. I'm angry at all these movies appearing and masquerading as 3D.

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...And so on.
But no. Little baby wanted to go for "I don't like this, the industry's dying."
And say it three times, and guess who appears. Heck, leave it open to abstract misinterpretation ONCE, and guess who appears.


Care to translate that into something we can understand? Or was it some veiled insult that went right over my head?

Gae

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Old 07-30-2012, 07:53 PM   #17
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But no. Little baby wanted to go for "I don't like this, the industry's dying."
And say it three times, and guess who appears. Heck, leave it open to abstract misinterpretation ONCE, and guess who appears.
Take a breather, man! Conversation can be civilized without name calling or trolling. Gae's addressing his topic respectably, you swooped in ready to fight. You can have an opinion without being a jerk.
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Care to translate that into something we can understand? Or was it some veiled insult that went right over my head?

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It's means that you've unintentionally created a thread title that invites "3D haters" to pop in and give their valuable insight as to why 3D should die based on their bad experiences and without regard to the OP or low-budget conversions. Pretty similar to what I did with my previous post except with comments that rehash "Ye Ole 3D Flame War."

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Old 07-30-2012, 08:30 PM   #19
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Im confused... when I first got into 3D on blu-ray there were like 4 movies... and ever since then we had had real 3D movies and conversions... nothing is new here.
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Nah, those titles are too condoning. I'm angry at all these movies appearing and masquerading as 3D.
Uh, yeah. THAT part we sorta suspected.

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It's means that you've unintentionally created a thread title that invites "3D haters" to pop in and give their valuable insight as to why 3D should die based on their bad experiences and without regard to the OP or low-budget conversions. Pretty similar to what I did with my previous post except with comments that rehash "Ye Ole 3D Flame War."
IOW, you plastered "3D is Dead!" all over ONE complaint about a minor-league conversion you hadn't heard of, when it was the between-summer doldrums, and you were hoping to see more major titles released....Um, overreact much?

Most people opened the thread never having heard of the indie movie either, and GUESS WHO shows up any time there's a thread that even promises the secret thrills of "3D is dead"?
I have no clue either what the "Nolan doesn't like 3-D!" link even remotely has to do with the discussion, and neither, I suspect, does Blu-Dog; he just wanted to get in there with today's Out of Context Timely-Article-Button and make sure his timecard was punched for the day.

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