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Old 07-30-2017, 03:54 AM   #41
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I want to be able to use my TV.
Not going to be any good way to do it on the TV without buying a 3D TV. Probably would be cheaper to get a projector that does 3d.
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Old 07-30-2017, 05:23 AM   #42
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I would avoid this, but not because of the concept, but how it's executed. There are way better alternatives I will get to in a moment.

I used a similar device ages ago with my old CRT TVs and 3D VHS field-sequential tapes. You would connect the output of the VCR to the input of the box, and the output of the box to the input of the TV. Then you play a 3D field-sequential VHS tape, and it splits the left/right images and turns the TV into an active 3D display, using shutter glasses.

This is the same idea. You plug a 3D blu-ray player into it, play a 3D blu-ray, and it separates the left/right images from the 3D blu-ray.

The problem is, this is a cheap device, and just displays it as anaglyph. Trust me, you don't want to have to watch all your 3D movies with red/blue glasses.

There are other systems out there that are much better made, and I will link to a couple. I was just made aware of them myself a short time ago. It's the same principle - you play a true 3D signal (3D blu-ray, half-side-by-side/over/under, etc.) and the box splits the left/right images. The difference with those better units is it displays the signal in true 720p/1080p active 3D, using any brand wireless active shutter glasses that are compliant with the 3D standard. It effectively turns your 2D set into an active 3D set, using real active shutter glasses.

The problem is, those devices are not cheap:

http://www.curtpalme.com/3DTheatre.shtm

For $269.99 you get the box and emitter (emitter seems to be necessary to use 3rd party wireless glasses). That outputs 720p 3D active 3D.

http://www.curtpalme.com/3DTheatrePlus.shtm

This is far more expensive. It's the same thing but outputs 1080p active 3D. Price: $699.99

http://www.consignia.ca/vip-3d-theat...sses-included/

This one runs $329.99 and outputs 1080p active 3D. The price includes the emitter, again needed for using 3rd party active glasses.

The only thing is, I haven't tried these personally, and they may result in a bit of crosstalk/ghosting, as it's using the active technology. Now, if it manages to keep in sync with the glasses, like any active 3D TV does, then it should effectively turn your 2D TV into an active 3D TV. If, however, it doesn't keep in syc, and drops frames, then that could be a real problem. So it's a matter of how well does it keep itself in sync? It should be fine, but I can't speak from experience on these.

Again, this doesn't convert 2D into 3D. It displays a true full-color 3D active image. Imagine taking the 3D active system from an active TV and putting it outside in a box. That's what these are. I imagine now that manufacturers have stopped making 3D sets for now at least, these boxes may become more desirable in the near future, as it will likely be the only way to watch your 3D blu-rays on newer TVs until they come out with another line of 3D TVs. It should also work with 4k sets, as the TV will just upscale the 720 or 1080p image as needed. It's certainly not ideal, and it's an expensive item to buy without knowing how well it performs, but the idea is perfectly sound.

Definitely avoid the one you linked to on Amazon. It does the same thing but it's cheaply made and outputs red/blue 3D only.
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Old 07-30-2017, 06:43 AM   #43
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What is crosstalk?
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Old 07-30-2017, 06:46 AM   #44
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So I would be able to watch 3D movies on my 2D tv without needing to buy another TV?
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Old 07-30-2017, 02:54 PM   #45
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Or check online for a good used 3D TV. But do your homework on them and make sure if you buy used that they have good feedback. There's many places like craigslist or offerup but beware who you buy from. Maybe even check out local pawn shops.
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Old 07-30-2017, 04:09 PM   #46
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You're going to have to buy a 3D tv or a PSVR those are literally the only two options. Everything else is faking the 3D effect.
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Old 07-30-2017, 09:28 PM   #47
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You could look for a good deal on a 3D projector. A lot of people just use a wall and no screen and it looks good. So a projector is an option.
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Old 07-30-2017, 11:36 PM   #48
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I can vouch for the quality of the device mar3o posted about earlier (in fact, I'm the one who initially turned him on to it). I didn't notice any sync problems when using it.

One correction/clarification, though: the 3D VIP and the 3D Theater are actually the same product, and both output 1080p. The initial info on Curt's website is incomplete when it only states it does 720p; if you scroll down further, you can see that the the 3D Theater device outputs the following resolutions:

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What 3D formats does the 3D-Theater support?

All known 3D formats are supported including:
- Frame packing 720p60, 720p50, 720p30, 1080p24, 1080p25, 1080p30
- Side-by-side 1080i60, 1080i50, 1080p24, 1080p30, 720p60, 720p50, 720p30
- Top-bottom 1080p24, 1080p25, 1080p30, 720p60, 720p50, 720p30
Not to thread jack, but I actually have one for sale that does 1080p 3D and includes two pairs of glasses, in case anyone is interested (I don't need it anymore, as I'm about to get a projector that does 3D). I'm asking $200 shipped, which is $130 less than the sale price in the link above. Everything is in like new condition, except for one pair of glasses that are still brand new. If you're interested, please PM me. Thanks.
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Old 07-31-2017, 12:00 AM   #49
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What is crosstalk?
Crosstalk/ghosting means seeing double images. It's when a little bit of the left image is seen by the right eye and vice versa. It's usually more noticeable with high-contrast scenes, like bright objects against darker backgrounds. Both active and passive 3D technologies can suffer form crosstalk, and even the IMAX and Real-D can suffer form it. Usually if a 3D system is well-designed it's kept to a point where it's either minimized or virtually non-existent.
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Old 07-31-2017, 12:06 AM   #50
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You're going to have to buy a 3D tv or a PSVR those are literally the only two options. Everything else is faking the 3D effect.
Very much not true. Everything I and noirjunkie posted is true. All you need is any 2D set (720p, 1080p or UHD, LCD or OLED), a 3D blu-ray player, and one of the devices I linked to or noirjunkie is selling. It is not fake 3D. It's simply doing the same exact 3D active processing that active 3D sets do, but it does it in an external box instead of being built into the TV. It turns any TV into an active 3D TV.
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So I would be able to watch 3D movies on my 2D tv without needing to buy another TV?
Yes, with one of those devices I linked to.
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Old 07-31-2017, 04:10 AM   #52
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I can vouch for the quality of the device mar3o posted about earlier (in fact, I'm the one who initially turned him on to it). I didn't notice any sync problems when using it.

One correction/clarification, though: the 3D VIP and the 3D Theater are actually the same product, and both output 1080p. The initial info on Curt's website is incomplete when it only states it does 720p; if you scroll down further, you can see that the the 3D Theater device outputs the following resolutions:



Not to thread jack, but I actually have one for sale that does 1080p 3D and includes two pairs of glasses, in case anyone is interested (I don't need it anymore, as I'm about to get a projector that does 3D). I'm asking $200 shipped, which is $130 less than the sale price in the link above. Everything is in like new condition, except for one pair of glasses that are still brand new. If you're interested, please PM me. Thanks.
Hi Noir,

Would the tv still need a refresh rate of 240 hz. Mine in the den is only 60.
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Old 07-31-2017, 04:43 AM   #53
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I am trying to find a cheap way of watching 3D content because I only have a 4K tv.
And I bought 4K TV a couple years ago just to have the best 3D possible, never watched 4K material with it.
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Old 07-31-2017, 07:58 AM   #54
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I've heard mixed reviews of that VIP 3D thing, some have said the picture flickers so much that it's hardly worth it. If it does work well though, that could be the solution if 3D is permanently dropped from TVs- if it's really a hassle to include in every set, just sell it as an outboard add-on which some people would be willing to pay for. Still seems pretty inconvenient going back to powered glasses after using passive ones however. The screen does need a good refresh rate for active 3D to work also- the Sharp active TV I had always had bad crosstalk at the top and bottom of the screen, looking like the other eye's view couldn't disappear from that part of the screen fast enough. (I never noticed flickering on that at least.)
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People exaggerate all the time online. I don't see why it would flicker any more than a normal active 3DTV with shutterglasses does. Active 3D by it's nature has flicker. Some notice it, some don't. It never bothered me because it was barely detectable. But passive is much more comfortable to view. The old active box I described earlier that I used with my CRT and VHS tapes were horrid. The flicker was slow enough that you could easily see it especially on the brighter parts of the image. The active glasses that work with current active sets flicker at a faster rate and is generally not noticeable. It can lead to eye fatigue in some viewers though, since even if the flicker isn't noticeable, it's still there.

Of course I haven't used one myself, so maybe these boxes do suffer from more flicker than expected.

I'm also surprised these aren't getting more attention now that 3D TVs are in limbo currently. Most people have no concept that these things exist. I didn't until last week.
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Thanks for all the info mar3o I myself will be looking into this soon
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Thanks for all the info mar3o I myself will be looking into this soon
I would love to hear you thoughts on it if/when you decide to give one a try.
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Thanks for all the info mar3o I myself will be looking into this soon
I have owned and used both the 3D Video Wizard and the VIP active shutter systems.

Video Wizard is okay for watching animated stuff. The contrast on movies like that is already high, and there are seldom dark scenes that the VW has trouble with. But it's still not a really desirable way to watch a feature film.

The VIP Theater works fine if your TV does true 120Hz rendering. Most projectors do, but few flatscreens have that capability. They actually convert 60Hz signals to "effective" 120Hz output. On my Vizio "120 Hz" 4K TV the input was actually 60Hz, and it was impossible to dial out all of the flicker.
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this is the TV I have so which one would be better for me to purchase?

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN40KU6300-40-Inch-Ultra-Smart/dp/B01DUTL4OI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1501616695&sr=8-2&keywords=samsung+40+inch+6+series
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It is not true 120Hz, so the VIP Theater is going to flicker.
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