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Old 01-29-2014, 04:26 PM   #1
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What are your thoughts on Netflix disc rental, to all those who rent discs from Netflix? Will it be phased out? Will it be sold off?
Please discuss all things Netflix Disc Rental, but NO STREAMING TALK. There are plenty of other threads for that.
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I would change the thread title to: DISC RENTAL discussion, NO STREAMING TALK!

That way other by mail, kiosk and B&M rental disc outlets would not be OT.
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I would change the thread title to: DISC RENTAL discussion, NO STREAMING TALK!

That way other by mail, kiosk and B&M rental disc outlets would not be OT.
I will contact the Mods about that. Good point! I guess since I only use Netflix I didn't really think about the other physical media rental outlets.
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I remember when it seemed like Netflix had every release. Now it seem they are leaving out some of the lesser known movies. Funny how some movies that have been released will show up as unknown release date in Netflix.
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Now it seem they are leaving out some of the lesser known movies.
IMO, Netflix and Redbox will focus mainly on new releases in the US. There are other outlets that you may not know about, for 3D fans there is Bluray Rental that specializes in renting 3D titles by mail, kiosk by DVDXpress. In the southeast there is the Ingles food chain with video rentals. Click the Store button to see the stores listed by state.

With some searching you may be surprised to find there is more disc rental near you than you thought. Start with My Video Store.
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What are your thoughts on Netflix disc rental...
I’m a little embarrassed to admit that being a shareholder (original investment > 40K, years ago) that I am not a Netflix disc rental subscriber, primarily because, for my rentals there used to be a Blockbuster outlet just a few minutes bicycle ride from our primary abode.

Though I’ll share with you the thoughts of many folks I run into who mill around talking to me while their dogs run free in the local dog park, which I still enjoy visiting despite the fact we had to put our beloved to sleep awhile ago. Keep in mind these people are not *cinephiles*, these are regular folks who work hard and have limited time in the pursuit of entertainment. They’re not at all into repetitive film watching….except for something like the classics which are shown during Christmas.

Anyway, they tell me that when they used to be Netflix subscribers, they had a very difficult time in ever getting newly released movies (which is why they used to go out to movie theaters in the first place but now mostly confine themselves to home-watching due to the noisy patrons, etc.). On the other hand, many have access to On Demand type options such as through our local cable co. (Time Warner) and when a new film is released (e.g. Captain Phillips, Rush), it’s not uncommon that they see it available by that service….which means they get what they want (new releases) with the click of a few buttons….no muss, no fuss, i.e. instant gratification.

Has there been any improvement in the Netflix disc rental service for new releases even if you place them in your queue a couple days before the Blu-ray is released? That’s what they ask me. Point being, if a new flick comes out on Blu-ray on a Tuesday, for instance, and they were conscientiously proactive in their queue request, could they be assured of getting it for Friday/Saturday movie night at home, or not?
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I’m a little embarrassed to admit that being a shareholder (original investment > 40K, years ago) that I am not a Netflix disc rental subscriber, primarily because, for my rentals there used to be a Blockbuster outlet just a few minutes bicycle ride from our primary abode.

Though I’ll share with you the thoughts of many folks I run into who mill around talking to me while their dogs run free in the local dog park, which I still enjoy visiting despite the fact we had to put our beloved to sleep awhile ago. Keep in mind these people are not *cinephiles*, these are regular folks who work hard and have limited time in the pursuit of entertainment. They’re not at all into repetitive film watching….except for something like the classics which are shown during Christmas.

Anyway, they tell me that when they used to be Netflix subscribers, they had a very difficult time in ever getting newly released movies (which is why they used to go out to movie theaters in the first place but now mostly confine themselves to home-watching due to the noisy patrons, etc.). On the other hand, many have access to On Demand type options such as through our local cable co. (Time Warner) and when a new film is released (e.g. Captain Phillips, Rush), it’s not uncommon that they see it available by that service….which means they get what they want (new releases) with the click of a few buttons….no muss, no fuss, i.e. instant gratification.

Has there been any improvement in the Netflix disc rental service for new releases even if you place them in your queue a couple days before the Blu-ray is released? That’s what they ask me. Point being, if a new flick comes out on Blu-ray on a Tuesday, for instance, and they were conscientiously proactive in their queue request, could they be assured of getting it for Friday/Saturday movie night at home, or not?
You know Penton, I would be hard pressed to give you a definitive yea or nay one that. I would have to lean toward nay, but I really don't keep up with the new releases, and I rarely bump items up(on blu-ray) in my queue. I keep them in the order Netflix released them. If it's a movie I really want, I just buy it. All others, I don't really mind how long I have to wait. I've got so much content available to me:
1) Netflix rentals
2) OTA content(dvr stuff)
3) New release purchases
4) Theatre(on those rare occasion a babysitter is available )

So I can understand how people might be put off by delays(30 or 60 days) Netflix might have with their rentals, so I guess I've worked around that.
Are there even Mom & Pop video rental stores anymore(non-porno)? Between Netflix and Redbox, and now Blockbuster officially off the map, the video rental paradigm has really shifted in the last couple of years.
With Redbox booming, and Netflix disc rental having several million subscribers...it seems like a lot of people enjoy their rentals.
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I’m a little embarrassed to admit that being a shareholder (original investment > 40K, years ago) that I am not a Netflix disc rental subscriber, primarily because, for my rentals there used to be a Blockbuster outlet just a few minutes bicycle ride from our primary abode.

Though I’ll share with you the thoughts of many folks I run into who mill around talking to me while their dogs run free in the local dog park, which I still enjoy visiting despite the fact we had to put our beloved to sleep awhile ago. Keep in mind these people are not *cinephiles*, these are regular folks who work hard and have limited time in the pursuit of entertainment. They’re not at all into repetitive film watching….except for something like the classics which are shown during Christmas.

Anyway, they tell me that when they used to be Netflix subscribers, they had a very difficult time in ever getting newly released movies (which is why they used to go out to movie theaters in the first place but now mostly confine themselves to home-watching due to the noisy patrons, etc.). On the other hand, many have access to On Demand type options such as through our local cable co. (Time Warner) and when a new film is released (e.g. Captain Phillips, Rush), it’s not uncommon that they see it available by that service….which means they get what they want (new releases) with the click of a few buttons….no muss, no fuss, i.e. instant gratification.

Has there been any improvement in the Netflix disc rental service for new releases even if you place them in your queue a couple days before the Blu-ray is released? That’s what they ask me. Point being, if a new flick comes out on Blu-ray on a Tuesday, for instance, and they were conscientiously proactive in their queue request, could they be assured of getting it for Friday/Saturday movie night at home, or not?
new releases on netflix is a two-fold issue:

1. Some of the major studios restrict access to new releases on Netflix and Redbox for about 1 month.

This is to promote actually buying the releases or at least renting them via more expensive services such as cable/Sat providers on-demand service or a local renter.

This is why you can rent pretty much anything right away via on demand or via a local shop. There's no release date restriction like there is with netflix and redbox.

2. A lot of people use netflix and it is unknown how many copies of any given movie Netflix has to go around. Additionally, Netflix is essentially pre-paid, cheap rental. Just load up your queue and wait for the movies to arrive! Return them when you want!

3 new movie rentals from a local video store is roughly equal to 1 month of 1 disc unlimited from Netflix. and you actually have to drive to place and manually pick out your movie, and you have a time limit to watch them, otherwise it costs more.

In other words, I'd be willing to bet a new release on Netflix has proportionally more competition per copy of the movie, VS. renting from a local place. It's cheaper and also prepaid, so the cost is less forward on someone's mind, it's passive, and there's no pressure to get the movie watched.

Then there's redbox, which is very cheap, if you stick to single night rentals. But you still have to go to a box and competition is often even more fierce for even less copies per box. and since you can return movies to any redbox, the distribution of copies often gets screwed up.

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Old 01-29-2014, 07:31 PM   #9
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I've actually only opted in for the Netflix disc rental option. I currently have no streaming option with Netflix. I still enjoy renting (and purchasing) physical discs. I do have Amazon Prime as well which gives me streaming options, but most newer releases I still try to rent on disc.
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Eventually it will be discontinued but I can't say it will happen soon. The US is the only place I know of where they do both the discs and that other method that shall not be mentioned so I can see them eventually closing down the mailing but it has to seriously start losing money before they will do that. With the cost of a stamp being what, 49 cents in the States compared to over $1 here in Canada, and 50p in Britian which is about 90 cents Canadian, they have it a little better in terms of shipping costs and that makes a huge difference at $8 a month. As long as there is demand and that demand covers the costs, they will keep doing it. I do think though that they are going to start running it totally seperate and not have the other method cover any of the costs. It will be like Blockbuster - your account will work with both but each will be run as a seperate store so if one gets in trouble, the other won't go down with it. But unless something radical happens, I can't see them closing it down for quite a while yet.
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Eventually it will be discontinued but I can't say it will happen soon. The US is the only place I know of where they do both the discs and that other method that shall not be mentioned so I can see them eventually closing down the mailing but it has to seriously start losing money before they will do that. With the cost of a stamp being what, 49 cents in the States compared to over $1 here in Canada, and 50p in Britian which is about 90 cents Canadian, they have it a little better in terms of shipping costs and that makes a huge difference at $8 a month. As long as there is demand and that demand covers the costs, they will keep doing it. I do think though that they are going to start running it totally seperate and not have the other method cover any of the costs. It will be like Blockbuster - your account will work with both but each will be run as a seperate store so if one gets in trouble, the other won't go down with it. But unless something radical happens, I can't see them closing it down for quite a while yet.
I wonder if Netflix will ever be bold enough to open small stores? Obviously in prime locations to start out, as a trail run, as a way to give Redbox more of a challange?
Probably zero chance of it happening, but if the disc rental side get's spun off or sold, you never know. How nice would that be, proivded you at a location near you. It would'nt have to be a large space, perhaps like The UPS Store?
I'm sure knowing Netflix, they will just run it into the ground. After all it was only just the goose that laid their golden egg, for many years.
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Has there been any improvement in the Netflix disc rental service for new releases even if you place them in your queue a couple days before the Blu-ray is released?
What others have said. Lots of variables, like when was it placed in your queue, number of copies at any given center, demand, etc. Many times I will get a new title on release day (Tuesday), sometimes it could be several days or even a few weeks. In most cases I've gone my whole life without seeing many of these titles so a few more days doesn't really matter to me!

My local distribution center in Asheville NC closed and now most titles come from Columbia SC but they still arrive in one day.

I always thought PPV would have generated much more revenue than it has/does. In 1994 DirecTV came on line with very easy PPV, point and click. In the early days you had to watch your PPV purchase at the scheduled time, later they changed it to 24 hour window. Abandoned PPV when DVD rental came online and never looked back.
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With the cost of a stamp being what, 49 cents in the States compared to over $1 here in Canada, and 50p in Britian which is about 90 cents Canadian, they have it a little better in terms of shipping costs and that makes a huge difference at $8 a month.
Netflix has always been closed mouth about postage rates. They use a pre-paid mailer called Permit Reply Mail, good luck trying to get details for that class on the USPS site. You can bet the rates are even cheaper than Business Reply Mail. Sometime back I did dig out from the site that Permit Reply Mail means you pay for round trip when mailed, for Business Reply Mail you pay one way when mailed and pay when received back by the sender. I don't recall seeing anyone else ever using Permit Reply Mail. Plus they get a break because they pre-sort their own mail.
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yeah netflix definitely isn't paying individual postage rates that a person would pay at the post office.
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yeah netflix definitely isn't paying individual postage rates that a person would pay at the post office.
A few years back Hastings made a remark about Netflix paying ??¢ per mailer, which was the same rate as 1 piece regular first class. You would not believe how many folks took that as gospel. I provided links to the USPS site that showed Business Return Mail (even in small quantities) was a fair amount cheaper than regular first class mail and they totally dismissed it as not being relevant.

Several years ago I weighed Netflix and Blockbuster envelopes, unopened, on a certified Pitney Bowes meter and each one weighed in at less than 1 ounce so they should qualify for the 1 oz. postage rate.
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What others have said...
So, what I gather from the responses in a nutshell is that there has been no interval change, since last most my neighbors were Netflix rental subscribers.

If they still don’t desire to take their family out to see a new release at the theater either due to the expense or the inconsiderate patrons and they’d like to be guaranteed of viewing the flick as soon as they can at home, then go with something like Time Warner On Demand, esp. if they are not video connoisseurs to picture quality…https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...on#post8708151 nor use anything other than their TVs attached speakers for audio.

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I wonder if Netflix is going to make Hemlock Grove available on disc?

House of Cards, obviously, made it. Then Lilyhammer. Then Orange is the New Black.
I can only hope that maybe Netflix would finance a complete Arrested Development on BD.
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...4) Theatre(on those rare occasion a babysitter is available )
If you were an early investor of Netflix stock


You could easily afford a live-in nanny.
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If you were an early investor of Netflix stock

Netflix Q4 2013 Earnings Interview - YouTube

You could easily afford a live-in nanny.
Haha! But back in the late 70's I bought stock in this fruit company....Apple?

Well after that money wasn't a problem...ya know, one less thing.
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then go with something like Time Warner On Demand, esp. if they are not video connoisseurs to picture quality…
I believe most cable co. have PPV, I know Dish Network and DirecTV offer it. I have not followed any of this for years but Dish and DirecTV may allow one to do a PPV using their DVR, don't know anything about cable co. process.

Folks just need to be aware they have a time window after they order a PPV to view it and if they order something by mistake will require a call to a service center to get it cancelled or receive a credit. Dish and DirecTV used to require a phone land line connection to their STB for PPV or it would stop working after you ordered a certain number of PPV.

It appears not much has changed in regards to cable & satellite subs, there is a certain segment that will do PPV but most just wait till titles show up on Showtime or HBO.
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