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Old 11-20-2019, 09:47 PM   #21
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It's weird because the movie is such a great "first episode" for the character. I think the first half is fine, but it's a whole lot of setup. Once Sim shows up, the whole movie soars.

I'm not too familiar with other Sim performances (besides Scrooge), is there anything else he did that would be comprable to this role?
An Inspector Calls .. It's equally convoluted but just as enjoyable

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An Inspector Calls .. It's equally convoluted but just as enjoyable

I wish someone would bring out the three Alastair Sim/Gordon Harker Inspector Hornleigh movies. I thought they’d be right up Network’s alley, I asked them and they said no plans
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What’s the transfer look like for this disc?
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What’s the transfer look like for this disc?
Above average 1080 presentation. It won't dazzle you but it's not awful either.

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BDInfo scan:

English subtitles are HoH (SDH) in a smaller white font. The only extra is an image gallery, although there are some color poster images and remastering notes printed on the inside of the jacket.

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Old 12-03-2019, 06:20 PM   #26
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I'm surprised Network considered this ageing transfer worthy of BD release, as it has nowhere near 2K of resolution. It dates back at least 15 years, as it previously appeared on Network's 2006 DVD and another one from the previous year.

Criterion managed to find a far superior transfer for their 2007 DVD (UK link) which, despite being compromised by windowboxing, has more detail, grain and is less cropped. It has substantial extras, to boot.

My advice is to skip this smeary, damaged BD and get one of the cheaper UK DVDs, which are also barebones. Aside from the former having deeper black levels, there's virtually no qualitative difference between them.

Alternatively, pick up Criterion's DVD or wait for them to release a BD done properly.

I'll second the recommendation for An Inspector Calls although every release to date, including StudioCanal's 2014 BD, has incorrectly transferred it open matte. Composed and shot for widescreen, the fact the transfer's botched is evident in every frame.

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Old 12-04-2019, 12:24 AM   #27
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I read your review on Amazon after they had already shipped mine.

I also was able to compare it to the Criterion on a large screen. There's no getting around the fact that this Bd is a disappointment. But to call the Criterion superior is a not quite right either. I can easily see ringing around objects, as well as everything having that typical mpg instability.
In 2019, I can't say that either one provides a satisfying viewing experience.

One thing is for sure, the quality on this isn't high enough to have me eager to rewatch it anytime soon. I would have been much better off just letting it slide by and waiting for Criterion, or someone else, to tackle it in the years ahead.

With Network I'll know better next time.
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You can tell by the Beaver caps that the Blu is far superior to the Network DVD. In fact, despite apparently being from the same master, it looks more like the Criterion. Sure, it needs a restoration, but it's hardly a disaster.
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You can tell by the Beaver caps that the Blu is far superior to the Network DVD. In fact, despite apparently being from the same master, it looks more like the Criterion. Sure, it needs a restoration, but it's hardly a disaster.
Agreed but the Criterion does edge it.

Since I have the movie on dvd as part of the Sim collection, I can wait to this appears in one of Network's sales or Criterion do something with it.
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So, Beaver say the same master and everyone goes with that?

The damage being on the same places is indicative of the film materials having them, not the same video master being used. Their removal is a different argument. I guess they don't see potential sales of this as worthy of the higher level of restoration.
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I'm surprised Network considered this ageing transfer worthy of BD release, as it has nowhere near 2K of resolution.
Are you saying that this is an upscale of an SD source? Because 2K is just a hair higher resolution than 1080.
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If anyone can share a photo of the linear notes on the transfer that might help put an end to the Chinese whispers here. Cheers!
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It’s clearly a HD source and not an upscale, but probably a more recent scan of the same source used previously for the DVD.
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Don't understand why some are saying that the Criterion edges it. I don't think it's a fair reflection.

Sure, the Network Blu isn't going to win any awards but this is what, a 60+ year old B - Movie for all intents and purposes. It is what it is.

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There is plenty fo evidence though that if you put some effort into it, a B movie from 60+ years ago can look fantastic.
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Don't understand why some are saying that the Criterion edges it. I don't think it's a fair reflection.

Sure, the Network Blu isn't going to win any awards but this is what, a 60+ year old B - Movie for all intents and purposes. It is what it is.
Completely fallacious comment. It's actually a 60-year-old A movie, nor does it makes any difference in terms of the film stock used. Furthermore, the original negative and all pre-print materials have been carefully stored at the BFI Archive since it was first released. There's no reason why, with a new scan and minimal clean-up, it wouldn't look like it was shot yesterday. I hope eventually one day we'll get to see it.

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There is plenty fo evidence though that if you put some effort into it, a B movie from 60+ years ago can look fantastic.
Begs the question as to why Network didn't then. I'm guessing the only selling point being Alastair Sim. I like it, it's an enjoyable yarn but it's no 'A Christmas Carol [Scrooge]' or St Trinians. Oddly enough 'An Inspector Calls' gets much better treatment.

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Completely fallacious comment. It's actually a 60-year-old A movie, nor does it makes any difference in terms of the film stock used. Furthermore, the original negative and all pre-print materials have been carefully stored at the BFI Archive since it was first released. There's no reason why, with a new scan and minimal clean-up, it wouldn't look like it was shot yesterday. I hope eventually one day we'll get to see it.
Sorry a 73 year old film that it isn't clear was a main feature or second feature.

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Old Yesterday, 02:55 PM   #38
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I am assuming they simply think it won’t be a huge seller for whatever reason and so just went with the bare minimum necessary.
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