The Anime Blu-ray Video Quality Thread - Page 51 - Blu-ray Forum

omarchafa · 03-26-2017, 11:55 PM

I read almost everything in this thread just to keep up. So this is the place to talk about domestic anime blu ray video quality then?

I just bought Children Who Chase Lost Voices from the re-released Sentai Selects catalog on BD. I haven't seen the movie entirely yet, but I did check a few scenes and I was blown away by the awesome video quality. Knowing Sentai bad reputation for poor encodes, I think it's a different matter for their movie releases. I check the file size on the disc itself which is over 35GB in total, I'm guessing it's probably 28-30GB with the video alone. The bitrates must be pretty high up there, but I'll check on that later.

Has anybody got any video info on this Anime release?
https://www.amazon.com/Arpeggio-Blue...ggio+blu+steel

They crammed all 12 episodes on a single disc, and that just doesn't sound good to me at all. I really want to get the show, but I don't know how the video quality turned out unless they used insane encoding techniques.

Naiera · 03-27-2017, 02:03 AM

The new release of Children Who Chase Lost Voices is much improved over the original one. I thought that was mentioned in this thread?

Sentai in particular like to put 12 eps on one disc. The result isn't necessarily terrible, but it's impossible to do great things that way, of course.

omarchafa · 03-27-2017, 02:07 AM

Nice, I'm glad I waited this long to get this movie. What about Garden of Words? Is the current release really good in video quality?

Naiera · 03-27-2017, 02:13 AM

Seemed fine to me. You might want to check out the Japanese release (with English subtitles) if you're a fan and want the absolute best.

Use Tenso if you want to save money and buy a used copy on Amazon Japan.

EDIT: OK, there isn't much to save on this one

But as a general tip for getting Japanese releases cheaper, the above is useful

omarchafa · 03-27-2017, 02:30 AM

I didn't know the Japanese release has subtitles for Garden of Words. However, I do like to have it with an English dubbed since it sounded good in the trailers, and enjoy the movie without having text on the screen.

I'll just get the Sentai release instead.

I have no problems affording JP releases, but thanks for that anyway. I only buy JP releases for the movies I really care about and want the best quality out there like the Madoka Magica movies, Girls und Panzer der film, Steins Gate, and a few others I own.

svenge · 03-27-2017, 05:18 AM

I'm not sure precisely how much it affects the finished product's PQ, but Sentai's release of Garden of Words uses only about half of the JP release's video bit-rate (34.5 mbps vs 19.2 mbps).

Japanese BD (CoMix Wave)

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US release (Sentai Filmworks)

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mp3dom · 03-27-2017, 10:22 AM

If I remember correctly, the Sentai version have the "wrong brightness" problem. Japanese edition is not top-notch either, as it was lowpass filtered on complex scenes, and suffer from slight color banding, especially on complex scenes.

Clark Kent · 03-27-2017, 07:36 PM

I'm sure the Japanese Garden of Words looks marginally better but there is nothing really wrong with the American Blu-ray. It's a beautiful presentation.

Naiera · 03-28-2017, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

I'm sure the Japanese Garden of Words looks marginally better but there is nothing really wrong with the American Blu-ray. It's a beautiful presentation.

Except the wrong wrongness mp3dom pointed out.

Clark Kent · 03-28-2017, 01:53 AM

I'm not sure the IRE black levels have been improperly converted from Japanese to American standards. That is usually noticeable and I don't remember seeing it, though I admit it's been awhile since I watched the disc.

Ajc228 · 03-28-2017, 05:13 AM

Does anyone know about the quality of the domestic Gundam releases by rightstuf? I've read the releases have decent pq. How do they compare to Sentai or Funimation?

Naiera · 03-28-2017, 12:20 PM

They're at least as good as those companies' releases.

omarchafa · 03-28-2017, 04:12 PM

Well I'll get Garden of Words later on.

So right now I wan to get the Madoka Magica TV series. There is no way to get the Japanese anymore since it's very expensive now. So how about the Aniplex of America version the one currently out for about $120? How does it compared to the original Japanese release? I heard the Italian release was the best one of them all when it comes to video quality, and I'm leaning towards that one, but I can't seem to find screenshots comparisons anymore. So which one should I go for?

Yuripa · 03-28-2017, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omarchafa

Well I'll get Garden of Words later on.

So right now I wan to get the Madoka Magica TV series. There is no way to get the Japanese anymore since it's very expensive now. So how about the Aniplex of America version the one currently out for about $120? How does it compared to the original Japanese release? I heard the Italian release was the best one of them all when it comes to video quality, and I'm leaning towards that one, but I can't seem to find screenshots comparisons anymore. So which one should I go for?

If you can understand Italian the Dynit edition is the way to go, top notch quality and wayyyy cheaper than the JP or AoA version.
If not, go for AoA.

Naiera · 03-28-2017, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omarchafa

How does it compared to the original Japanese release?

It's exactly as good, as are 99% of Aniplex of America releases.

SeaFox · 03-28-2017, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ajc228

Does anyone know about the quality of the domestic Gundam releases by rightstuf? I've read the releases have decent pq. How do they compare to Sentai or Funimation?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naiera

They're at least as good as those companies' releases.

Isn't that kinda like saying "That burger is at least as good as one from McDonald's"?

Naiera · 03-28-2017, 09:39 PM

It states that they are as good as Sentai/FUNi or better. From what I've seen, definitely better, but I don't have numbers. We're not talking Japanese quality though.

svenge · 03-28-2017, 11:43 PM

Here's the BDInfo for Funi's release of the Steins;Gate movie. Looks to be a very bare-bones BD-25 w/ a 21000 kbps video bitrate and 16-bit Dolby TrueHD audio. The English 2.0 track is a dub-cast audio commentary, which is obviously worthless since they had absolutely nothing to do with the production of the film itself.

I don't have a full BDInfo scan of the Japanese version, but its video bit-rate was 37749 kbps and its audio was in 24-bit DTS-HD MA.

Code:

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Steinsgate_Movie
Disc Size:      22,919,444,480 bytes
Protection:     AACS(v62)
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.8.1 (compatible layout created by DVDFab 9.3.1.6)

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00029.MPLS  
Length:                 1:30:02.438 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   20,616,886,272 bytes
Total Bitrate:          30.53 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        21000 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Dolby TrueHD Audio              English         1613 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 1613 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps)
Dolby TrueHD Audio              Japanese        2492 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2492 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps)
Dolby TrueHD Audio              English         1061 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 1061 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps)

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         46.377 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         4.214 kbps

SeaFox · 03-29-2017, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naiera

It states that they are as good as Sentai/FUNi or better. From what I've seen, definitely better, but I don't have numbers. We're not talking Japanese quality though.

I know, it's just -- for a regular TV series release -- it feels like a case of setting the bar a little low when you say it's "at least as good as" a company with the issues Funi has, and a company that crams 12 episodes on one disc.

omarchafa · 03-29-2017, 02:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuripa

If you can understand Italian the Dynit edition is the way to go, top notch quality and wayyyy cheaper than the JP or AoA version.
If not, go for AoA.

I can make a BD Remux and use my favorite fansubs for it. Alright I'm going for that one then. Thanks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by svenge

Here's the BDInfo for Funi's release of the Steins;Gate movie. Looks to be a very bare-bones BD-25 w/ a 21000 kbps video bitrate and 16-bit Dolby TrueHD audio. The English 2.0 track is a dub-cast audio commentary, which is obviously worthless since they had absolutely nothing to do with the production of the film itself.

I don't have a full BDInfo scan of the Japanese version, but its video bit-rate was 37749 kbps and its audio was in 24-bit DTS-HD MA.

Code:

DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     Steinsgate_Movie
Disc Size:      22,919,444,480 bytes
Protection:     AACS(v62)
BD-Java:        No
BDInfo:         0.5.8.1 (compatible layout created by DVDFab 9.3.1.6)

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00029.MPLS  
Length:                 1:30:02.438 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   20,616,886,272 bytes
Total Bitrate:          30.53 Mbps

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        21000 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Dolby TrueHD Audio              English         1613 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 1613 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps)
Dolby TrueHD Audio              Japanese        2492 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2492 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps)
Dolby TrueHD Audio              English         1061 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz / 1061 kbps / 16-bit (AC3 Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps)

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         46.377 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         4.214 kbps

Wow, just wow. I'm so glad I got the JP release which I just got in the mail yesterday. If you really want, I can pull the info on the JP release. Anyway, lower bitrates doesn't always translates to bad video quality. I got the Psychic School Wars from Funimation, and the bitrates were a bit lower than the original JP release, but it look impeccable to me and couldn't tell the difference at all especially when I did a screenshot comparison. However, knowing how badly Funi screw up with the TV show of Steins Gate, I decided to play it safe and import the JP version of the movie. I like to see screenshot comparisons of this movie.

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03-26-2017, 11:55 PM	#1001
omarchafa Expert Member Member since:Feb 2014	I read almost everything in this thread just to keep up. So this is the place to talk about domestic anime blu ray video quality then? I just bought Children Who Chase Lost Voices from the re-released Sentai Selects catalog on BD. I haven't seen the movie entirely yet, but I did check a few scenes and I was blown away by the awesome video quality. Knowing Sentai bad reputation for poor encodes, I think it's a different matter for their movie releases. I check the file size on the disc itself which is over 35GB in total, I'm guessing it's probably 28-30GB with the video alone. The bitrates must be pretty high up there, but I'll check on that later. Has anybody got any video info on this Anime release? https://www.amazon.com/Arpeggio-Blue...ggio+blu+steel They crammed all 12 episodes on a single disc, and that just doesn't sound good to me at all. I really want to get the show, but I don't know how the video quality turned out unless they used insane encoding techniques.

03-27-2017, 02:03 AM	#1002
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	The new release of Children Who Chase Lost Voices is much improved over the original one. I thought that was mentioned in this thread? Sentai in particular like to put 12 eps on one disc. The result isn't necessarily terrible, but it's impossible to do great things that way, of course.

03-27-2017, 02:07 AM	#1003
omarchafa Expert Member Member since:Feb 2014	Nice, I'm glad I waited this long to get this movie. What about Garden of Words? Is the current release really good in video quality?

03-27-2017, 02:13 AM	#1004
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	Seemed fine to me. You might want to check out the Japanese release (with English subtitles) if you're a fan and want the absolute best. Use Tenso if you want to save money and buy a used copy on Amazon Japan. EDIT: OK, there isn't much to save on this one But as a general tip for getting Japanese releases cheaper, the above is useful

03-27-2017, 02:30 AM	#1005
omarchafa Expert Member Member since:Feb 2014	I didn't know the Japanese release has subtitles for Garden of Words. However, I do like to have it with an English dubbed since it sounded good in the trailers, and enjoy the movie without having text on the screen. I'll just get the Sentai release instead. I have no problems affording JP releases, but thanks for that anyway. I only buy JP releases for the movies I really care about and want the best quality out there like the Madoka Magica movies, Girls und Panzer der film, Steins Gate, and a few others I own.

03-27-2017, 10:22 AM	#1007
mp3dom Active Member Top contributor Member since:Jun 2010 Location:Italy	If I remember correctly, the Sentai version have the "wrong brightness" problem. Japanese edition is not top-notch either, as it was lowpass filtered on complex scenes, and suffer from slight color banding, especially on complex scenes.

03-27-2017, 07:36 PM	#1008
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:183	I'm sure the Japanese Garden of Words looks marginally better but there is nothing really wrong with the American Blu-ray. It's a beautiful presentation.

03-28-2017, 01:53 AM	#1010
Clark Kent Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Metropolis Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:183	I'm not sure the IRE black levels have been improperly converted from Japanese to American standards. That is usually noticeable and I don't remember seeing it, though I admit it's been awhile since I watched the disc.

03-28-2017, 05:13 AM	#1011
Ajc228 Active Member Member since:Mar 2017 Location:Mars	Does anyone know about the quality of the domestic Gundam releases by rightstuf? I've read the releases have decent pq. How do they compare to Sentai or Funimation?

03-28-2017, 12:20 PM	#1012
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	They're at least as good as those companies' releases.

03-28-2017, 04:12 PM	#1013
omarchafa Expert Member Member since:Feb 2014	Well I'll get Garden of Words later on. So right now I wan to get the Madoka Magica TV series. There is no way to get the Japanese anymore since it's very expensive now. So how about the Aniplex of America version the one currently out for about $120? How does it compared to the original Japanese release? I heard the Italian release was the best one of them all when it comes to video quality, and I'm leaning towards that one, but I can't seem to find screenshots comparisons anymore. So which one should I go for?

03-28-2017, 09:39 PM	#1017
Naiera Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:Jun 2012 Location:Denmark Home Theater Gallery:2 Trading Score:25	It states that they are as good as Sentai/FUNi or better. From what I've seen, definitely better, but I don't have numbers. We're not talking Japanese quality though.

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