Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[nycomet]

Back on topic: I prefer to have BOTH physical media and digital copies.

[headphones]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

That took a dark turn. It's a huge leap to say that if we care about movies we must not care about our families. I absolutely care about my family more than movies... are you only capable of caring about one thing?

Yes that was exactly what I was thinking actually. It seemed as if that was the only thing you cared about. You were talking how things will be decades from now. You're argument is basically "you might want to watch it again 20 years from now, and it may not be available, so you should buy them now." Which made me wonder where your values stood.

[rui no onna]

Originally Posted by headphones

You were talking how things will be decades from now. You're argument is basically "you might want to watch it again 20 years from now, and it may not be available, so you should buy them now." Which made me wonder where your values stood.

I've bought Blu-rays for stuff I originally watched 20+ years ago. I have some movies and TV shows bought on DVD that are now out of print and are unlikely to get a Blu-ray release and are unavailable from online services. I'm gifting a young niece a Target Blu-ray Digibook of Beauty and the Beast, a movie I loved as a youngster 25 years ago.

Caring for family and wanting to be able to rewatch movies decades later are not mutually exclusive.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by headphones

Family isn't a way of life for you? I feel sorry for you. If you value movies more than your own family, wow. If you wouldn't give up your entire movie collection in an to save your kids' lives, or protect someone you care deeply about, then you need to reevaluate your life. It's really sad actually. That movies and blurays are more important to you than family.

If you lose a movie, it's replaceable. When you lose a loved one, they're gone forever. The fact that you can't see that is frightening.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I have only had a couple of interactions with you but I'm finding you incredibly irritating already. The fact you have only joined this year suggests to me you are just here to rant about how great digital is or to wind people up. You are the type of member that makes me think twice about being a member on this forum. That's the impression I get.

Secondly, I am about as close to my family as anyone possibly could be. We see each other all the time but that doesn't alter how big an impact movies have had on me. You made a silly assumption and forgive me, but IMO, an ignorant one. Now jog on.

Too much Drama Steedeel, you take this Digital vs Discs too personal. You have to excuse Steedeel he lives in the UK, and limited to the amenities of The States. He doesn't have access to Vudu and HDX, and probably limited on his Bandwidth. So Streaming Digital HD is Average at best, and that gives him a skewed outlook. So he keeps pushing Physical, when in fact it's all Digital now whether Streamed from a Disc or Server.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by headphones

Yes that was exactly what I was thinking actually. It seemed as if that was the only thing you cared about. You were talking how things will be decades from now. You're argument is basically "you might want to watch it again 20 years from now, and it may not be available, so you should buy them now." Which made me wonder where your values stood.

This is a discussion of physical vs digital movies and tv shows. The other things that we care about aren't related to the discussion so they aren't mentioned. You shouldn't make assumptions about the rest of our values from our stance on this particular topic.

My argument is pretty simple:
Physical media helps ensure that each title remains available in the future (via the used market). Digital distribution does not, all control over distribution lies with the studios.

Neither format does anything to affect my family's well being or has any affect on any other aspect of my life.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Too much Drama Steedeel, you take this Digital vs Discs too personal. You have to excuse Steedeel he lives in the UK, and limited to the amenities of The States. He doesn't have access to Vudu and HDX, and probably limited on his Bandwidth. So Streaming Digital HD is Average at best, and that gives him a skewed outlook. So he keeps pushing Physical, when in fact it's all Digital now whether Streamed from a Disc or Server.

I was taking the family thing personal. You are jumping in without knowing the facts.
Also, you have your own agenda which is declaring your love for Digital and telling everyone on s Bluray forum how it's the future and discs are dead. Can you see the problem there? I have told you before streaming subscription will be the future, Digital HD, even WITH Vudu and Your beloved HDX are starting to stall. Growth of just 6%? That is not impressive in anyone's book. Ownership is going out of the window soon and people like you are encouraging it.

By the way, I can get Netflix 4K, Amazon 4K and I can stream through X Box and Apple TV. Acceptable quality isn't a problem I just choose not to do it. Collecting is important to me. UV has been messed up in virtually every country except U.S.A in my opinion.

I have Sky fibre by the way. I get about 37 Mbps

[johndaica]

I think both of them, depends on situation

[headphones]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

My argument is pretty simple:
Physical media helps ensure that each title remains available in the future (via the used market). Digital distribution does not, all control over distribution lies with the studios.

I don't disagree with that. I never disagreed with that. But bluray is not the end-all-be-all format. They're gonna come out with something even better. They already have with 4K. But even 4K is yesterday's news. They have cameras now that are shooting in 8K. And before you know it, it will be 16K. And you're telling me that in 20 years, you'll still be watching your 1080p blurays, when they have it in 64K formats? I have no problem with collecting blurays for the "now." But it's when you said decades in the future. Decades ago, you thought VHS was the end-all-be-all. And 15 years ago, DVDs were the end-all-be-all.

[headphones]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You have to excuse Steedeel he lives in the UK

Oh I knew the second he started with the whole you must be 12 argument.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by headphones

I don't disagree with that. I never disagreed with that. But bluray is not the end-all-be-all format. They're gonna come out with something even better. They already have with 4K. But even 4K is yesterday's news. They have cameras now that are shooting in 8K. And before you know it, it will be 16K. And you're telling me that in 20 years, you'll still be watching your 1080p blurays, when they have it in 64K formats? I have no problem with collecting blurays for the "now." But it's when you said decades in the future. Decades ago, you thought VHS was the end-all-be-all. And 15 years ago, DVDs were the end-all-be-all.

Absolutely, because many titles won't be released on later formats. I still watch plenty of DVDs because those titles aren't available on Blu-ray. Some of those titles are out of print and aren't available from any official sources but the used market has ensured that they remain available.

[Krizzle1]

As for someone who is strictly digital only, if I was to consider buying physical copies of certain titles in the future 10-ish years, I cant see myself buying 4K+. As stated by Mr Penguin a lot of titles are unlikely to be released in 4K+. I'd be content with Blurays if I do go towards physical media

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by headphones

I don't disagree with that. I never disagreed with that. But bluray is not the end-all-be-all format. They're gonna come out with something even better. They already have with 4K. But even 4K is yesterday's news. They have cameras now that are shooting in 8K. And before you know it, it will be 16K. And you're telling me that in 20 years, you'll still be watching your 1080p blurays, when they have it in 64K formats? I have no problem with collecting blurays for the "now." But it's when you said decades in the future. Decades ago, you thought VHS was the end-all-be-all. And 15 years ago, DVDs were the end-all-be-all.

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Absolutely, because many titles won't be released on later formats. I still watch plenty of DVDs because those titles aren't available on Blu-ray. Some of those titles are out of print and aren't available from any official sources but the used market has ensured that they remain available.

I totally agree with you Headphones, Physical Disc will be around for a while but when they go 4K+ it won't be practical anymore. It's just logical they will have to be stored on something that can hold these Big Files. So the Infrastructure will have to be Fiber, and Networks will expand from City to Community to Home. Media Servers will materialize and hold your Movie Collections. These Servers will be local or co-located with your ISP, or you can set up your Home Server like Kaleidoscope. Physical Disc will die out like VHS, you can sill watch it but will you want to if your favorite Movies are 4K+!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by headphones

Oh I knew the second he started with the whole you must be 12 argument.

Rule Britannia!

Seriously, what has my country got to do with anything? You make some odd posts on here. Playing all mr innocent. I have you sussed mate.

[wolfpackTri]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I have Sky fibre by the way. I get about 37 Mbps

37 Mbps internet is not that fast. I had 300 Mbps and downgraded to 200 Mbps to save some money. Google Fiber will be in my city soon and offering 1Gbps speeds.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by wolfpackTri

37 Mbps internet is not that fast. I had 300 Mbps and downgraded to 200 Mbps to save some money. Google Fiber will be in my city soon and offering 1Gbps speeds.

No, but it's sufficent to run stuff at best quality. I don't have anything else hogging up bandwidth. 1Gbps is overkill anyway.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Krizzle1

As for someone who is strictly digital only, if I was to consider buying physical copies of certain titles in the future 10-ish years, I cant see myself buying 4K+. As stated by Mr Penguin a lot of titles are unlikely to be released in 4K+. I'd be content with Blurays if I do go towards physical media

Are you Apple only Krizzle? How to you feel about Ultravile trying to push Apple out of the game? Are you concerned or do ŷou believe a future subscription service by Apple will be the killer move?

[headphones]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I totally agree with you Headphones, Physical Disc will be around for a while but when they go 4K+ it won't be practical anymore. It's just logical they will have to be stored on something that can hold these Big Files. So the Infrastructure will have to be Fiber, and Networks will expand from City to Community to Home. Media Servers will materialize and hold your Movie Collections. These Servers will be local or co-located with your ISP, or you can set up your Home Server like Kaleidoscope. Physical Disc will die out like VHS, you can sill watch it but will you want to if your favorite Movies are 4K+!

I do have a lot of blurays. But only movies I really like. I rent all the other one I want to watch once.

[WestMan]

I have both for over 75% of my movie collection. Over time, I am slowly adding the movies to digital. Digital services like Vudu are great for when I travel a few times per year.

I have fast internet here.... like 300 Mbps. Even with that fast service, digital doesn't always stream properly on services like Vudu. Nothing takes me out of a movie faster then buffering or an error message. Until this can be fixed 100% of the time, discs will always be king.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by wolfpackTri

37 Mbps internet is not that fast. I had 300 Mbps and downgraded to 200 Mbps to save some money. Google Fiber will be in my city soon and offering 1Gbps speeds.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

No, but it's sufficent to run stuff at best quality. I don't have anything else hogging up bandwidth. 1Gbps is overkill anyway.

Best Quality for iTunes in the UK, but it you want Full Quality Blu-ray BitRate then GigaBit Rates are needed. Technology moves fast, and to keep up you can't get complacent. People said that about Memory and Storage, 1Mb of RAM and a 20Mb HHD was plenty....Look at where we are now TB's. So don't ever say, "We'll Never Need That Much."!

[Krizzle1]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Are you Apple only Krizzle? How to you feel about Ultravile trying to push Apple out of the game? Are you concerned or do ŷou believe a future subscription service by Apple will be the killer move?

Yeah Apple only user here, im not too concerned about Apple being pushed out, but yeah it is a little concerning. I mean I buy my stuff from the US iTunes Store and I see that its still thriving in the US (unlike in the UK), physical copies still come with iTunes codes (although very limited titles). I seriously hope it doesnt become a subscription service by Apple though....cant be having that

Im pretty heavily invested in the Apple ecosystem, so if I was to go physical, i'd need to buy them dirt cheap so as to not go overboard 'double-dipping'

Edit - Running (up to) 50Mbps, everything streams fine (as you said)