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Old 03-05-2021, 01:46 PM   #101
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I have only recently delved into the the "video streaming" realm as I gradually upgrade my home theater setup to 21st century standards. I tried a couple of movies using some iTunes/Apple Music credit but was disappointed with the audio quality (not surprising as these were older movies from the mid 20th century).

A quick survey revealed to me that streaming video currently has a big handicap: the lack of lossless audio tracks, so I will continue to buy Blu-rays (e.g. just picked up a handful of $2.00 Blu-rays from a thrift store).

I had a panic attack concerning the demise of SACD with the possibility of losing my significant SACD library when my SACD players die. So I threw stupid money at decent 4K-capable Universal Player with quality multichannel analog outputs since I don't have a 21st century HDMI-capable preamp/processor. E.g. An Atmos upgrade would require a significant investment including new speakers, processor, and amplification.

Now I am wondering if Blu-ray player production is going away anytime soon, this time threatening my investment in Blu-ray movies.
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I have only recently delved into the the "video streaming" realm as I gradually upgrade my home theater setup to 21st century standards. I tried a couple of movies using some iTunes/Apple Music credit but was disappointed with the audio quality (not surprising as these were older movies from the mid 20th century).

A quick survey revealed to me that streaming video currently has a big handicap: the lack of lossless audio tracks, so I will continue to buy Blu-rays (e.g. just picked up a handful of $2.00 Blu-rays from a thrift store).

I had a panic attack concerning the demise of SACD with the possibility of losing my significant SACD library when my SACD players die. So I threw stupid money at decent 4K-capable Universal Player with quality multichannel analog outputs since I don't have a 21st century HDMI-capable preamp/processor. E.g. An Atmos upgrade would require a significant investment including new speakers, processor, and amplification.

Now I am wondering if Blu-ray player production is going away anytime soon, this time threatening my investment in Blu-ray movies.
No basically. There are enough players in circulation for that not to be a concern. Also consoles all play discs so they are going nowhere for the next 10-15 years. The PS3 AND PS4 will both play discs to a decent standard. Buy in confidence and enjoy into next decade. I know I am.

Subscription streaming is the digital future, not Digital movies to buy.
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Is there a reason why we have two threads with the same discussion?

4K streaming vs blu-ray disc

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...1#post18691471
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Old 03-05-2021, 05:27 PM   #104
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Is there a reason why we have two threads with the same discussion?

4K streaming vs blu-ray disc

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...1#post18691471
Because attempts to post in the digital section is seen as trolling. Hypocrites basically. I left when it was clear what was going on, now they are starting with another member.
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No basically. There are enough players in circulation for that not to be a concern. Also consoles all play discs so they are going nowhere for the next 10-15 years. The PS3 AND PS4 will both play discs to a decent standard. Buy in confidence and enjoy into next decade. I know I am.

Subscription streaming is the digital future, not Digital movies to buy.
Yeah, plenty of players out there. I did buy a backup LG UBK-90 just because I like having an extra player just in case. But, the PS5, XBox One X and various other players exist and will exist for a long time.

As you sort of eluded to, even if 4K players dried up there are a TON of standard blu-ray players and I still thoroughly enjoy a good 1080p presentation and if I had to watch nothing but blu-rays the rest of my life I'd be OK with that. 4K is great but blu-ray is still a viable format.
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Yeah, plenty of players out there. I did buy a backup LG UBK-90 just because I like having an extra player just in case. But, the PS5, XBox One X and various other players exist and will exist for a long time.

As you sort of eluded to, even if 4K players dried up there are a TON of standard blu-ray players and I still thoroughly enjoy a good 1080p presentation and if I had to watch nothing but blu-rays the rest of my life I'd be OK with that. 4K is great but blu-ray is still a viable format.
Blu-ray is a format for the fish. 4K Ultra HDs for the shark s.
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I wonder if at least 50% of the people on this Thread have a 55" UHD 4K TV?
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I wonder if at least 50% of the people on this Thread have a 55" UHD 4K TV?
Like the old joke, it’s not the size, it’s the quality that matters with a 4K TV.
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I've actually found myself going oldschool and watching movies on tv lately. A good friend watches a lot of TCM and I've found their lineup to be solid. Obviously won't rival blu or probably even streaming, but it's kind of fun to be able to talk movies with someone as they're live on the air like the old days.

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I wonder if at least 50% of the people on this Thread have a 55" UHD 4K TV?
Who knows but 55 inch is a bit small to have an immersive 4K HDR experience. Even my Epson 9400 projector is no match to my Panasonic GZ OLED for 4K HDR. Having said that, Projector is the way to go for 3D viewing.
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Who knows but 55 inch is a bit small to have an immersive 4K HDR experience. Even my Epson 9400 projector is no match to my Panasonic GZ OLED for 4K HDR. Having said that, Projector is the way to go for 3D viewing.
The problem is that if you go higher with digital content, compression artefacts become more obvious. I would say 55 is ideal for streaming.
For Blu-Ray and UHD, the bigger the better.

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I know some of these guys like Steedeel take their love for BD Movies too far. Granted PQ of Blu-ray is superior to Digital Streaming, but you also have to have the best equipment to really tell the difference from HDX. My Wife loves to watch Movies, but to her DVD Quality is good enough. So Quality has nothing to do with your Love for Movies. I also wonder what the average size of HDTV here on this Forum, because if it isn't 55" or greater you really can't tell the difference either between Blu-ray and HDX.
Its funny about you asking this same question 5 years latter. Didn’t you learn anything in the last few years?
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Its funny about you asking this same question 5 years latter. Didnít you learn anything in the last few years?
I bought my 65" Sony UHD 4KTV in 2017, so I have been enjoying Movies and TV Shows a while. Like I said it's all Subjective depending on your equipment and setup. To me HDX and Blu-ray are the same, I was just wondering if the rest of the people here have upgraded.
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I've actually found myself going oldschool and watching movies on tv lately. A good friend watches a lot of TCM and I've found their lineup to be solid. Obviously won't rival blu or probably even streaming, but it's kind of fun to be able to talk movies with someone as they're live on the air like the old days.
Reminds me of all the intros from Nick Clooney prior to one of the classics.
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Old 04-10-2021, 02:20 PM   #116
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Hey guys, I watched a 4K stream of ‘Up’ on the Disney + app last night and I must say the quality was pretty impressive, now I don’t own the Blu-ray / 4K of the film but the colours certainly popped especially the balloons! I do prefer disc still but the way streaming is going I’m more than happy to stream just as much. Some hardcore physical media-ists may frown upon that comment though

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Samsung 65’ 4K HDR TV
And then I just watch normal Blu-rays from my PS4.

More than adequately suitable!
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I would like to hear peoples findings on what the difference between a 4K UHD digital copy from a 4K disc vs Blu-ray disc.

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I would like to hear is the difference between a 4K UHD digital copy from a 4K disc vs Blu-ray disc.
4K digital copy looks worse than DVD.

You can detect artifacts from the moon. However, from Andromeda galaxy it will look crystal clear and you won't be able to see any artifacts.

It can be pulled out anytime from your library without notice.

You must own everything on disc, everything including news programmes, streaming dramas etc. Otherwise, you will live in fear of losing it and you are leading a miserable life without owning everything on disc !


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I would like to hear is the difference between a 4K UHD digital copy from a 4K disc vs Blu-ray disc.
Iím gonna assume youíve seen both. What did you think the difference was?
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4K digital copy looks worse than DVD.

You can detect artifacts from the moon. However, from Andromeda galaxy it will look crystal clear and you won't be able to see any artifacts.

It can be pulled out anytime from your library without notice.

You must own everything on disc, everything including news programmes, streaming dramas etc. Otherwise, you will live in fear of losing it and you are leading a miserable life without owning everything on disc !

4K digital copy usually has more compression related digital artifacts in very bright and very dark scenes, and if saved to a computer they allow a 4 GB HD files usually. It also depends on whether you are using something like iTunes Movies or MoviesAnywhere which is not available in the UK. These yield 32 Mbps peak bitrate streams with HDR10 or with iTunes supporting DV also. Most streamlining services that are VoD providers that sell movie codes give 23 Mbps peak streams. SVOD streams can be lower towards movies they are playing so that they average 10-11 Mbps maybe 17/18 Mbps peak.

Sorry most content unless a judge orders content retracted doesn't disappear from digital stores. They just can't remove it unless they also compensate you also here in the states. If your trying to use the old ultraviolet argument you'll need to be a lot more current.

I own hundreds of DVDs, BD, 4K HD BD's, and stream many services using the last 2 Apple TV 4K models with HUD as a FYI. But I still prefer media above all else.

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