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Old 06-07-2018, 01:54 AM   #521
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Samsung's QLEDs are still overhyped LCDs, an ancient display tech that needs to be put to pasture already. Samsung was the first to drop 3D (or the second), and them adding it again wouldn't move the needle in their direction, I would wager.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 03:13 AM   #522
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Samsung's QLEDs are still overhyped LCDs, an ancient display tech that needs to be put to pasture already. Samsung was the first to drop 3D (or the second), and them adding it again wouldn't move the needle in their direction, I would wager.
OLEDS wear out faster and have real burn-in issues. Put out to pasture? Micro-LED coming out in next couple of years will kill OLED and its shitty burn-in nature, but in the meantime QLED is brighter, more colorful and now approaches OLED in black levels without worry of burning in games or TV channel logos. But hey, no one is forcing you to buy one.

But seriously, ANCIENT? What you are like 15 years old or something that LED seems "ancient" to you? Gasoline engines are far more "ancient" and yet they're still around because electric has issues. OLED has issues (nothing like paying $3000 for a set that burns in after a few months like many on AVS are reporting).

Sony or LG could bring back 3D too. I don't really care who as those that want 3D would buy whatever it works on. But I personally don't want another set like plasma where I can't play an RPG game on it for fear the interface will be burn into it over a month or two.
 
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I've owned 3 OLED TVs since 2014, including the debut LG model. Still functional and they're only becoming more resilient as the production years/techniques roll on. And I admit I don't use it for gaming.

MicroLEDs are in the six figures (at well over 100 inches) and can't be scaled for consumer TVs. Mini-LEDs have a better chance of cutting into the higher end. Rumor is Sam has a $40k 85" miniLED TV coming later this year.

Yes, as an accused 15-year-old, I'm sick of LCDs shortcomings (lacking uniformity, blooming or inadequate black levels or both, narrow viewing angles) just as I am of internal combustion engines (go Tesla!). That's it! I simply want the alternative to flourish and not get shot down by FUD so that all we have left in the display market is one tech (not LED, which is a Samsung marketing creation; they are all LCD TVs at their base level).

While it happens in a few usage case scenarios, OLED burn-in is not the epidemic you're insinuating, and the coping mechanisms to prevent it are maturing yearly. Cable news habits and some types of gaming can still present a threat, but it's not as if development (intelligent logo dimming, top emission resulting in increased brightness) is standing still while Samsung conjures up its latest Frankenstein product incorporating backlights.
 
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I've owned 3 OLED TVs since 2014, including the debut LG model. Still functional and they're only becoming more resilient as the production years/techniques roll on. And I admit I don't use it for gaming.

MicroLEDs are in the six figures (at well over 100 inches) and can't be scaled for consumer TVs. Mini-LEDs have a better chance of cutting into the higher end. Rumor is Sam has a $40k 85" miniLED TV coming later this year.

Yes, as an accused 15-year-old, I'm sick of LCDs shortcomings (lacking uniformity, blooming or inadequate black levels or both, narrow viewing angles) just as I am of internal combustion engines (go Tesla!). That's it! I simply want the alternative to flourish and not get shot down by FUD so that all we have left in the display market is one tech (not LED, which is a Samsung marketing creation; they are all LCD TVs at their base level).

While it happens in a few usage case scenarios, OLED burn-in is not the epidemic you're insinuating, and the coping mechanisms to prevent it are maturing yearly. Cable news habits and some types of gaming can still present a threat, but it's not as if development (intelligent logo dimming, top emission resulting in increased brightness) is standing still while Samsung conjures up its latest Frankenstein product incorporating backlights.
Wrong forum... :P Given none of these AXXHOLE OLED manufacturers make a 3d set, who cares. If one of them decide to buck the axxhole trend of not supporting 3d, come on back and espouse their benefits. But as far as 3d goes, their benefits are... None.

I'm being sarcastic . I'd honestly be overjoyed if they started supporting 3d. But to a long term videophile looking at oled technology for over a decade, I've been nothing but disappointed. We had initial commercial releases with these STUPID curved gimic screens, which defeat the purpose of both a display and the thinness benefits of oled, and then we had one year 2016, where these pieces of garbage did flat plus 3d, 2016, then nothing. So I have a lot of anger and disappointment towards lg. I would now not buy them out of principal.

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My mother had an LG set that she ended up trading back in for 2018 QLED. She had all kinds of firmware/software issues with the LG. The WiFi kept disconnecting or going from 117Mbps to 0.5Mbps for no apparent reason (unplugging the set would fix it for a few days and it would happen again. It also kept saying it couldn't find the signal for the receiver half the time. The HDMI plug would have to be removed and reinserted to get it working again (just horrible in daily use especially for someone non-technical like my mother. The Samsung QLED has had none of these issues (she watches a lot of news so an OLED would have been a definite burn in risk.) Admittedly, last year they sucked, but this set is in a whole different category.

I think competition is a good thing. It keeps the other guy from sitting on his laurels. But I still don't get why at least one TV maker wouldn't want all the 3D sales. There might not be a lot, but it would be 100% of that amount save projector sales and would keep 3D alive until they get a new version out, whether glasses free or 4/8K 3D at some point in the future.
 
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OLEDS wear out faster and have real burn-in issues.
For real. I have a news logo and a breaking news banner burned into my screen. Shows up during red/orange/yellow content. Now I watch news channels in black and white (burns in much more slowly) and with the screen zoomed in to the center to get as much static content off the screen as possible.

I love how the OLED picture looks, but this very negative aspect does make me wonder if it's really worth it. I'm think I'm stuck with this TV for now though since they've stopped making 3D sets...?
 
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Yes, it happens, as do lemons (I don't have any of the above problems, just grayscale non-uniformity aka vertical banding on the 77" that I wish was better). I just haven't ever watched cable "news" on my primary displays. I agree competition is great. The 2018 QLED product is no doubt a result of it.

As for the curved screen phenomenon, again, blame Samsung (and LG to a lesser extent). The former is still trying to push those on the public. Options are nice, but back in 2013/4 at the height of the curve, they coupled it with their flagship TV experiments unfortunately (only LG gave you an option with the even more costly 55EA8800). If you're not buying a brand because of 3D eradication, I guess that leaves you out of the display market entirely (hell, it does for me, as I'll be holding onto my 2013/2016 models for dear life, flaws and all).
 
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Curved screens make sense at the large cinema level as it makes better use of more of the light, but at small scales it just looks odd, IMO. Gimmicky.
 
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Gaming is the other potential use case, or so I hear (haven't gamed in years).
 
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Wrong forum... :P Given none of these AXXHOLE OLED manufacturers make a 3d set, who cares. If one of them decide to buck the axxhole trend of not supporting 3d, come on back and espouse their benefits. But as far as 3d goes, their benefits are... None.

I'm being sarcastic . I'd honestly be overjoyed if they started supporting 3d. But to a long term videophile looking at oled technology for over a decade, I've been nothing but disappointed. We had initial commercial releases with these STUPID curved gimic screens, which defeat the purpose of both a display and the thinness benefits of oled, and then we had one year 2016, where these pieces of garbage did flat plus 3d, 2016, then nothing. So I have a lot of anger and disappointment towards lg. I would now not buy them out of principal.
I feel the same towards LG now. I love my current LG 2016 LCD 3D/UHD set, but LG has dealt the death-blow to home 3D TVs, since they were the last company making them, and to make it worse, they were the best, so they were in a good position to dominate the 3D TV market. Instead, they threw that out, and I hate them for that.
 
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Gaming is the other potential use case, or so I hear (haven't gamed in years).
I'd be terrified of gaming on an OLED. Heck, my LG UHD LCD set has temporary image retention. An LCD!
 
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I play video games on my OLED almost every day. Looks great. No burn-in or image retention at all. My old plasma had issues with it though.
 
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I play video games on my OLED almost every day. Looks great. No burn-in or image retention at all. My old plasma had issues with it though.
Same experience for me. My Samsung plasma had image retention issues that required using the "scroll" tool to try to fix on a regular basis.

No such problems on the OLED.
 
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8K kit launched properly at CES. I didn't see anyone mentioning 3D in any of the equipment which was nice.
 
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Any word about 16K yet? 8K just isn't going to cut it....
 
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That is so Windows 3.1. Give me 32K at least.
 
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640k should be enough for everyone....
 
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