Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Okay, things are getting kind of boring but Steedeel and Cevolution kind of killed this discussion on Physical Copies or Digital. One thinks Little Kindergarten Kids are going to be watching everything on their Watch, and the other watches everything with a magnifying glass to pick up all the flaws. So if everyone wants a Physical Copy, why have my sales of Blu-ray Movies gone down on eBay. Then on the other side, UV Stores selling Digital Copies keeps going up. Could this be a trend, and people just don't want Disc anymore or just don't want to wait? Like I said Streaming Home Theaters are here now, and Cinema is a thing of the Past!

It's not going to end pretty. That's all you (as a digital fanboy) need to know.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Rocket Richard

I think streaming/digital is the future. Think about how many times you bought/sold your collection from VHS to DVD, then Blu Ray came along, now 4k and next is 8k looming in the wings.

Same thing with CD’s. Going the way of the 8-Track!

Blah blah blah. CDs were supposed to die 10 years ago. They will still be here in another 10 years.

[Rocket Richard]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Blah blah blah. CDs were supposed to die 10 years ago. They will still be here in another 10 years.

So are DVD’s, but I doubt either will be around in 10 years...

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Rocket Richard

So are DVD’s, but I doubt either will be around in 10 years...

You should write a blog or article on the net. You would fit right in!

I'm off to buy a vinyl, see ya!

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You say that like you are glad. It will be a sad sad day when/if the cinema ever dies.

Steedeel, I'm not glad it's just a fact, Cinema is a thing of the Past just like the Drive-In Movies no longer exits. Everyone wants their own Home Theater, and I think with Streaming Movies. I find myself going less and less to Redbox, and more to buying Digital Copies.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by hariseldon

Interesting . I wonder what that thing is down the street from me that blocks traffic on the major US highway all summer on Thurs/Friday/Sat night.

Where do you live.....Texas?

[V40LLY]

It's not an idea, that defies belief, that movie theatres may cease to exist in the next 30-50 years.

Studios are already putting new movies out in online stores.

I rented 'I am Wrath' for $9.99 yesterday. I'm not quite sure if or not, it got any theatrical release in the U.S. But, some movies have been available (the less popular ones), right away on my iTunes to rent, whilst they are getting a limited theatrical release. I would much prefer to do this, as opposed to going out to see it in the theatre.

This could well be the future. Studios would probably be able to save themselves tons of $$ this way.

[Krizzle1]

When I get my own place, im leaning towards a Home Theater as opposed to going to Cinemas to watch movies. I hardly have the time (or friends ) to go out and watch a movie, I used to go quite often but now not so much :/

I'd rather invest time and money into a decent enough set up to watch movies, plus when ive paid the same-ish price of a Cinema ticket for a digital OR physical bluray I can watch it when I want (pause/rewind) and more than once in the comfort of my own home. But we're still back to Bluray vs Digital, I still think Digital is more convenient, but when im watching on a 50+ inch screen, I'll probably see the visual flaws of digital :/

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

What has this got to do with anything? I don't care about what everyone else is doing, you go be a part of that trend, and be a follower if you like. Your beloved way of watching movies may very well be gaining popularity amongst the masses, and may surpass the quality of physical media one day, but this doesn't change the fact that it is currently inferior to physical media, and that you're paying for something that is presently second best. My point has always simply been that online services aren't the same or superior like you're claiming, nothing more, and since you are not willing to prove your claims, then you've lost the argument, simple. Therefore there is nothing more to say. The decline of disc sales and some people not wanting discs anymore is insignificant to me, I have built myself a physical media collection that suits my needs, and it doesn't require me to be a slave to the Internet to be able to enjoy it.

Btw, people still have to wait months for digital copies to be released after the theatrical run (they only hit the market weeks before the physical media versions), many people that don't want to wait, pirate, long before the digital/UV copy becomes available.

Also, what does the cinema have to do with anything I've said? I barely go to the cinemas anymore.

Considering you've stated that you think Rocky's entrance level gear is good, I can only assume that the gear you own must be of similar quality?

I knew I would get a Rise out of you, now there is something to discuss on this Message Board. The only reason I said Rocky had good Equipment is because he has a Projector, and you guys seem to think that is the best. I know you have a Panasonic Plasma, and that puts out a pretty good picture. I have a 62" Mitsubishi DLP, and over 10 years ago that was Top of the Line but it's only 1080i. So to me HDX Movies are superb, so it's all in the eye of the beholder. I do enjoy my Streaming Movies, and I have already seen Deadpool.

The only reason I brought up Cinema is like you pointed out, no one goes to them anymore. So now that everyone is building their own Home Theaters, they will want their Movies Now.....Hence Streaming First Run Movies! Your Collection is nice, but you better be ready to enjoy Streaming at it's Finest!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I knew I would get a Rise out of you, now there is something to discuss on this Message Board. The only reason I said Rocky had good Equipment is because he has a Projector, and you guys seem to think that is the best. I know you have a Panasonic Plasma, and that puts out a pretty good picture. I have a 62" Mitsubishi DLP, and over 10 years ago that was Top of the Line but it's only 1080i. So to me HDX Movies are superb, so it's all in the eye of the beholder. I do enjoy my Streaming Movies, and I have already seen Deadpool.

The only reason I brought up Cinema is like you pointed out, no one goes to them anymore. So now that everyone is building their own Home Theaters, they will want their Movies Now.....Hence Streaming First Run Movies! Your Collection is nice, but you better be ready to enjoy Streaming at it's Finest!

You are taking too much notice of the Digital hype gravy train. No one is going to the cinemas anymore? What a stupid statement IMO. So was it magic pixie dust that earned Star Wars it's box office?

You moan about people spoiling the thread by defending Blu-Ray then you make (in my opinion) troll statements to antagonise people? This is Blu-Ray forum. We are here for the long haul. Until the day when we are squinting at smartphones and watches I will continue to collect and be bloody proud of the fact. I love films and no amount of lazy convenience will change that. You can have your studio controlled copies, I will take my collection any day!

'Cinema is a thing of the past' let's revisit this in ten years. I will remind you what a (in my opinion) stupid statement that was.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by V40LLY

It's not an idea, that defies belief, that movie theatres may cease to exist in the next 30-50 years.

Studios are already putting new movies out in online stores.

I rented 'I am Wrath' for $9.99 yesterday. I'm not quite sure if or not, it got any theatrical release in the U.S. But, some movies have been available (the less popular ones), right away on my iTunes to rent, whilst they are getting a limited theatrical release. I would much prefer to do this, as opposed to going out to see it in the theatre.

This could well be the future. Studios would probably be able to save themselves tons of $$ this way.

Yes, but the guy is talking the present.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Steedeel, I'm not glad it's just a fact, Cinema is a thing of the Past just like the Drive-In Movies no longer exits. Everyone wants their own Home Theater, and I think with Streaming Movies. I find myself going less and less to Redbox, and more to buying Digital Copies.

It isn't a fact at all.

[Steedeel]

I mentioned a few months back that the Dreamworks CEO said he could see a time when movies have 3 weeks at the cinema and then a release on all formats at the same time after that three week period. The problem with that is he predicted cost would be related to screen size. For example, cinema £10, tv £5, mobile £1.50. Now, if this was put in place my prediction would instantly become true. People would just buy the cheapest possible version on mobile rather than pay extra for a bigger screen size. That would only accelerate the move to all films on mobile devices. It's a really shitty prospect.
Before anyone says 'just cast it to the big screen' there will be safeguards in place to prevent that. That is the real future guys. IMO, silly experiments that only push more people to smaller screens.
This would happen within a ten year timespan apparently.

[tob]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You are taking too much notice of the Digital hype gravy train. No one is going to the cinemas anymore? What a stupid statement IMO. So was it magic pixie dust that earned Star Wars it's box office?

You moan about people spoiling the thread by defending Blu-Ray then you make (in my opinion) troll statements to antagonise people? This is Blu-Ray forum. We are here for the long haul. Until the day when we are squinting at smartphones and watches I will continue to collect and be bloody proud of the fact. I love films and no amount of lazy convenience will change that. You can have your studio controlled copies, I will take my collection any day!

'Cinema is a thing of the past' let's revisit this in ten years. I will remind you what a (in my opinion) stupid statement that was.

Well said steedeel.

[master gandhi]

I think there is a threat of movie theaters becoming obsolete, but as Steedeel pointed out with the Star Wars Box Office reference, people are still going out to the cinema these days. It didn't topple Avatar's numbers, but it was still impressive to see so many people still compelled enough to leave their home cinema in order to see the movie ASAP.

But it makes you wonder, if people were given a choice between getting the movie immediately through digital or waiting additional months for physical, most people would probably want it early and go digital, depending on the movie. Studios already do this with some indie films.

For example, The Invitation was made available on digital the same day as it came out in theaters for only $9.99 to own. Now, it's not going to be a huge seller because it's not a big movie or one with any hype, but if it was Star Wars, I think it would be the highest selling digital release ever (and would likely outsell the eventual physical copies). If all movies were released this way, the moviegoing landscape would very much shift to the home in a short period of time.

I may have become very pro digital recently, but I haven't forgotten about the quality of physical copies (I'm adopting 4K Blu-rays and still buying Blu-rays along with digital copies). Digital offers some advantages over physical, but in the pure quality department, nothing beats Blu-ray (and UHD Blu-ray) at home.

We can debate all day about which will stand the test of time or which is better overall, but there really is no debating which is higher quality. From a video/audio standpoint, it may not always be apparent to everyone how different they are, but they are not equal. Someday they might be, assuming that internet speeds increase to mind blowing levels, but that's the future. For now, that isn't a reality.

The reality today is that both formats are co-existing rather peacefully. The studios may like the idea of going all-digital, but they obviously realize they'd lose many collectors/technophiles as their customers, and they don't want to lose customers. So they are both here to stay today and for the foreseeable future.

I very much enjoy digital, but I have to admit that I still appreciate having certain movies in their highest possible quality too, so I may not ever go all-digital, unless the industry goes that direction. I'm just glad my collection is a mixture of physical and digital, so I'm covered either way.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

I think there is a threat of movie theaters becoming obsolete, but as Steedeel pointed out with the Star Wars Box Office reference, people are still going out to the cinema these days. It didn't topple Avatar's numbers, but it was still impressive to see so many people still compelled enough to leave their home cinema in order to see the movie ASAP.

But it makes you wonder, if people were given a choice between getting the movie immediately through digital or waiting additional months for physical, most people would probably want it early and go digital, depending on the movie. Studios already do this with some indie films.

For example, The Invitation was made available on digital the same day as it came out in theaters for only $9.99 to own. Now, it's not going to be a huge seller because it's not a big movie or one with any hype, but if it was Star Wars, I think it would be the highest selling digital release ever (and would likely outsell the eventual physical copies). If all movies were released this way, the moviegoing landscape would very much shift to the home in a short period of time.

I may have become very pro digital recently, but I haven't forgotten about the quality of physical copies (I'm adopting 4K Blu-rays and still buying Blu-rays along with digital copies). Digital offers some advantages over physical, but in the pure quality department, nothing beats Blu-ray (and UHD Blu-ray) at home.

We can debate all day about which will stand the test of time or which is better overall, but there really is no debating which is higher quality. From a video/audio standpoint, it may not always be apparent to everyone how different they are, but they are not equal. Someday they might be, assuming that internet speeds increase to mind blowing levels, but that's the future. For now, that isn't a reality.

The reality today is that both formats are co-existing rather peacefully. The studios may like the idea of going all-digital, but they obviously realize they'd lose many collectors/technophiles as their customers, and they don't want to lose customers. So they are both here to stay today and for the foreseeable future.

I very much enjoy digital, but I have to admit that I still appreciate having certain movies in their highest possible quality too, so I may not ever go all-digital, unless the industry goes that direction. I'm just glad my collection is a mixture of physical and digital, so I'm covered either way.

The problem with that is many will just rent or buy films and watch it on their tablet or phone. That's not home cinema is it? Especially if the ideas posted in my above post come into play. Movies die for me the day that happens. Would rather not bother at all than watch on a phone.

[V40LLY]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

But it makes you wonder, if people were given a choice between getting the movie immediately through digital or waiting additional months for physical, most people would probably want it early and go digital, depending on the movie. Studios already do this with some indie films.

"Some indie films"? No, it's actually happening with virtually anything new. In other words, blockbuster movies that are made by major studios. They do this to encourage people to buy these movies in digital format.

[V40LLY]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

The problem with that is many will just rent or buy films and watch it on their tablet or phone. That's not home cinema is it? Especially if the ideas posted in my above post come into play. Movies die for me the day that happens. Would rather not bother at all than watch on a phone.

Why would you be limited to watching a digital movie an your cell phone?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by V40LLY

"Some indie films"? No, it's actually happening with virtually anything new. In other words, blockbuster movies that are made by major studios. They do this to encourage people to buy these movies in digital format.

It isn't. You are getting mixed up with Digital HD which is released several weeks before Blu-Ray. Dont get excited. We are talking about no cinema release.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by V40LLY

Why would you be limited to watching a digital movie an your cell phone?

Read my post above relating to the Dreamworks CEO.