Doctor Who: The Collection Season 12 • Tom Baker Season 1 - Limited Edition

[simon_r_harding]

When it comes to Jon Pertwee's first season box, I wonder if they will just stick the original Spearhead from Space blu back in with new disc art or whether they will create a whole new disc to combine all the features.

Another random thought I had was regarding the fact they are intending to use the new logo to identify all of Doctor Who from classic to the recent series. I wonder if they will re-release the 2005 onwards series with new packaging.

[SoundableObject]

Originally Posted by simon_r_harding

When it comes to Jon Pertwee's first season box, I wonder if they will just stick the original Spearhead from Space blu back in with new disc art or whether they will create a whole new disc to combine all the features.

Another random thought I had was regarding the fact they are intending to use the new logo to identify all of Doctor Who from classic to the recent series. I wonder if they will re-release the 2005 onwards series with new packaging.

Spearhead will definitely have a brand new disc if they get to it. They will likely just use the same restoration from the original with just a new pass over it. All effort and I imagine budget (time moreso than money) will be concentrated on the restoration of Doctor Who and the Silurians and The Ambassadors of Death for that season.

I imagine the first three seasons of Pertwee will be left till very late in the range. The last two seasons don't present too many issues with a new restoration. Only really Invasion of the Dinosaurs 1 to really overcome as well as a new pass on Planet of the Daleks 3 (in addition to the normal restoration to all other stories).

The first three Pertwee seasons are an absolute minefield though. Loads of varying sources and quality. Just take a look at this page which details how a full colour set of three seasons is pieced together.

If the range is successful they have also said they would like to handle the new series.

The Restoration Team have also indicated that four box sets a year would be the maximum possible so I'd rather they handled the easy to do sets for now and get Season 10-26 out the way before moving on the more problematic B&W and Pertwee seasons.

[CouncilSpectre]

Interesting comments from PV on the latest RFS podcast - basically confirms that there are definitely some missing episodes in the hands of private collectors. Nothing we didn't suspect but the first time I've heard it confirmed by anyone at Paul's level.

http://www.radiofreeskaro.com/2018/0...8-london-1965/

Interview starts at around the 37m mark.

[Jezza]

Originally Posted by CouncilSpectre

Interesting comments from PV on the latest RFS podcast - basically confirms that there are definitely some missing episodes in the hands of private collectors. Nothing we didn't suspect but the first time I've heard it confirmed by anyone at Paul's level.

http://www.radiofreeskaro.com/2018/0...8-london-1965/

Interview starts at around the 37m mark.

I wonder if that's in reference to Web of Fear 3. Phil Morris has said several times he knows its whereabouts and is keen to get it back.

[CouncilSpectre]

Originally Posted by Jezza

I wonder if that's in reference to Web of Fear 3. Phil Morris has said several times he knows its whereabouts and is keen to get it back.

I think it possibly includes Web 3, but that would be a change of opinion for Paul - in previous comments he’s doubted the Web 3/collector idea.

I would imagine we're likely talking about a handful of orphaned episodes.

Thought the timeframe talk was quite interesting too - a 15 month window, and if Sue Malden had started her work 15 months earlier we’d have complete runs of Evil, Power, Fury etc.

[HarrySullivan]

Originally Posted by Jezza

I wonder if that's in reference to Web of Fear 3. Phil Morris has said several times he knows its whereabouts and is keen to get it back.

I haven’t heard the podcast, but read that he talks in positive terms about collectors who have missing episodes (they have preserved prints which would have otherwise been lost, etc). The apparent circumstances around the poaching of The Web of Fear 3 would probably not provoke such comments! Vanezis has always said he never believes episodes exist until he sees the prints with his own eyes. If so, his comments suggest that he has seen surviving prints and is negotiating to borrow them, which is encouraging.

An alternative is that there’s a chance this information is going to come out soon via another route (for example, a print coming up for sale), and Mr V doesn’t want to appear to have been caught by surprise with new information; “Well, naturally I knew the whole time but couldn’t say anything…”. I hope that’s not the case, but human nature means it’s a possibility.

Back to the positive options though…

It’s long been rumoured that a film collector in the UK has The Reign of Terror 4 & 5. The other most persistent rumours would have it that The Tenth Planet 4 and an episode or two of The Daleks’ Master Plan are held by UK collectors, and that Marco Polo is complete in the hands of an Australian collector.

If there’s anything to these rumours, it would mean that among the most likely recoveries from collectors are the nine missing episodes of Season 1. If these could be obtained, I’m sure a Season 1 boxset would be fast-tracked for release. Still just a dream for now though.

[oddbox83]

The Daleks’ Master Plan by rights should be the most unlikely to have any returns. It wasn't sold overseas, and I don't think a film recording was even made for episode 7.

Yet now we've had 3. Go figure.

Sometimes what is returned makes no logical sense.

[Jezza]

Originally Posted by HarrySullivan

I haven’t heard the podcast, but read that he talks in positive terms about collectors who have missing episodes (they have preserved prints which would have otherwise been lost, etc). The apparent circumstances around the poaching of The Web of Fear 3 would probably not provoke such comments! Vanezis has always said he never believes episodes exist until he sees the prints with his own eyes. If so, his comments suggest that he has seen surviving prints and is negotiating to borrow them, which is encouraging.

An alternative is that there’s a chance this information is going to come out soon via another route (for example, a print coming up for sale), and Mr V doesn’t want to appear to have been caught by surprise with new information; “Well, naturally I knew the whole time but couldn’t say anything…”. I hope that’s not the case, but human nature means it’s a possibility.

Back to the positive options though…

It’s long been rumoured that a film collector in the UK has The Reign of Terror 4 & 5. The other most persistent rumours would have it that The Tenth Planet 4 and an episode or two of The Daleks’ Master Plan are held by UK collectors, and that Marco Polo is complete in the hands of an Australian collector.

If there’s anything to these rumours, it would mean that among the most likely recoveries from collectors are the nine missing episodes of Season 1. If these could be obtained, I’m sure a Season 1 boxset would be fast-tracked for release. Still just a dream for now though.

This is exactly why I'm never really pleased when people 'in the know' tease us that something is still out there, because all it does it create speculation about something that is still just a dream and leads to a false impression that we will see these episodes.

If anything it's why I wish Phil Morris had kept quiet about Web 3, so that if it turns up then it's a nice surprise to have the story finally complete. As it is it's a bit of a hard one to watch now, knowing the episode is out there, but not knowing if it will actually be returned.

Some things are better left unknown and not revealed by the likes of Morris and Vanezis (for who I grateful admire I should point out). But in some was it was more satisfying not knowing that we could be sitting here with Power of the Daleks, Fury from the Deep, the Macra Terror if Sue Malden had come along 15 months earlier.

[HarrySullivan]

Phil Morris coming out with the tale of finding Web of Fear 3 and then losing it is a strange one indeed. Why say anything? No one need ever have known!

Personally, I wouldn't despair over Sue Malden missing out on episodes. How much more would be lost if she had come along 15 months later instead?

[Jezza]

Originally Posted by HarrySullivan

Phil Morris coming out with the tale of finding Web of Fear 3 and then losing it is a strange one indeed. Why say anything? No one need ever have known!

Personally, I wouldn't despair over Sue Malden missing out on episodes. How much more would be lost if she had come along 15 months later instead?

As I recall someone asked about it a couple of years ago at a convention, but even so he could have avoided the question to just lied.

[CouncilSpectre]

The 15 month thing stings a bit doesn't it. Obviously no sleight against Sue, just wish she'd have been in place a bit sooner to do what she did.

Only thing to really add about Paul is that he went out of his way here to bring up the Collectors point. When the question was posed re missing episodes it was literally an obligatory question that you could almost hear wasn't expecting any substantive reply, but yet then we had Paul being very forthcoming - Paul's not beyond trolling on occasion, with mischievous comments that he knows will be parsed every which way to Sunday, but listening to the interview, it really doesn't feel like that.

Hopefully it means something may happen sooner or later, or, perhaps they just caught Paul on a really good day.

A complete series one would be a dream come true.

Re the Web 3 reveal - it wasn't asked as such, he more or less just divulged it as he was talking through the timeline of the Jos find.

[HarrySullivan]

Just an additional "FYI" concerning collectors with missing episodes, this one slipped my mind before; another rumour that has been around for decades is that a UK collector has prints of The Invasion 1 and 4.

Incidentally, the latest Doctor Who Magazine has a nice article on the restoration and extras for the Season 12 boxset.

[Jezza]

According to Zoom and HMV, this set has now been pushed back to 2nd July.

I'm all for wanting to ensure this set goes through smoothly, but after being delayed once already, I can't help but feel this is a bit ridiculous. It's now a 3 week delay since the original release date.

[SoundableObject]

Originally Posted by Jezza

According to Zoom and HMV, this set has now been pushed back to 2nd July.

I'm all for wanting to ensure this set goes through smoothly, but after being delayed once already, I can't help but feel this is a bit ridiculous. It's now a 3 week delay since the original release date.

I think it is incredibly important they get this set right. A lot of people are going to buy this and guage whether it is worth buying the rest. The rest of the range could rest on this set being done right. Doctor Who up to this point doesn't have the greatest record for Blu-Ray releases (though Spearhead, Power and Shada were great).

As it happens the delay is good for me. I am moving house so want to wait until I have the new big 4K TV before watching this set which I will likely have by then

[Jezza]

Originally Posted by SoundableObject

I think it is incredibly important they get this set right. A lot of people are going to buy this and guage whether it is worth buying the rest. The rest of the range could rest on this set being done right. Doctor Who up to this point doesn't have the greatest record for Blu-Ray releases (though Spearhead, Power and Shada were great).

As it happens the delay is good for me. I am moving house so want to wait until I have the new big 4K TV before watching this set which I will likely have by then

Oh I agree, but considering I booked the week off work just to watch this set, you can understand that I am incredibly frustrated.

[lemonhead118]

Amazon are still listing June 18

[simon_r_harding]

Thought I'd type up the extra given in the latest Doctor Who Magazine so everyone knows what to expect.

Disc 1: Robot

Existing Special Features;
Audio Commentary with Tom Baker, Elisabeth Sladen, Barry Letts and Terrance Dicks
Are Friends Electric - making-of documentary
The Tunnel Effect - designer Bernard Lodge discusses the title sequence
On Target - Terrance Dicks
Blue Peter set visit
Continuities
Robot 8mm film
Alternative title sequence
Blackpool footage
Coming Soon: The Ark in Space

New Special Features
Behind the Sofa: Robot in HD
A Television Drama - rehearsal readthrough for Robot
Clean opening and closing titles in HD
Photo gallery in HD
Production Subtitles

PDF's
Production paperwork
Scripts
Radio Times cuttings

Disc 2: The Ark in Space

Existing Special Features
Audio Commentary with Tom Baker, Elisabeth Sladen and Philip Hinchcliffe
A New Frontier - making-of documentary
Alternative CGI effects
Omnibus 70-minute edition in HD (but unrestored)
Roger Murray-Leach interview
Model effects roll
CGI effects roll
Continuity
3D technical schematics
Revised production subtitles

New Special Features
Behind the Sofa: The Ark in Space in HD
Optional 5.1 sound mix
Photo gallery in HD

PDFs
Production paperwork
Scripts
Radio Times cuttings

Disc 3: The Sontaran Experiment

Existing Special Features
Audio Commentary with Elisabeth Sladen, Philip Hinchcliffe and Bob Baker
Built for War - a feature about the Sontarans
On Target - Ian Marter
Revised production subtitles

New Special Features
Like Nothing on Earth - making-of documentary in HD
Behind the Sofa: The Sontaran Experiment in HD
The Tom Baker Years Parts One and Two (originally released on VHS in 1992)
Morning Sou'West radio
Location report
Photo gallery in HD

PDFs
Production paperwork
Scripts
Radio Times cuttings

Disc 4: Genesis of the Daleks

Existing Special Features
Audio Commentary with Tom Baker, Elisabeth Sladen, David Maloney and Peter Miles
Genesis of a Classic - making-of documentary
Blue Peter models feature
Continuity

New Special Features
Behind the Sofa: Genesis of the Daleks in HD
Live from the Canteen - a 1975 recording of the cast and crew talking to fan Keith Miller
Optional 5.1 sound mix
Photo Gallery in HD
Brand-new production subtitles

PDFs
Production paperwork
Scripts
Radio Times cuttings

Disc 5: Revenge of the Cybermen

Existing Special Features
Audio Commentary with Elisabeth Sladen, David Collings, Philip Hinchcliffe and Roger Murray-Leach
Location Report from Wookey Hole
Cheques, Lies and Videotape - documentary (now in HD)
Revised production subtitles

New Special Features
The Tin Men and the Witch - updated making-of documentary i HD
Behind the Sofa: Revenge of the Cybermen in HD
Optional CGI effects
Photo gallery in HD

PDFs
Production paperwork
Scripts
Radio Times cuttings

Disc 6: Special Features

New Special Features
Tom Baker in Conversation in HD
Doctor Who Times - HD feature showing Season 12 in context with other TV of the day
Omnibus 90-minute edition of Genesis of the Daleks in HD (but unrestored)
Studio clocks compilation for Season 12

PDFs
Season 12 BBC Enterprises sales sheets
The Dr Who Annual 1976
Weetabix 1975
Nestle 1975
Wall's Dalek's Death Ray ice lolly

[simon_r_harding]

A quick look at the DVD’s show that The Ark in Space is missing the alternative titles, TARDIS-Cam, Doctor Forever! – Love & War, Scene Around Six, Coming Soon trailer. Genesis of the Daleks loses The Dalek Tapes. Revenge of the Cybermen loses the Coming Soon trailer.
I do find it odd that Robot contains the Coming Soon trailer for Ark in Space but none of the others are present.

[Jezza]

Originally Posted by simon_r_harding

A quick look at the DVD’s show that The Ark in Space is missing the alternative titles, TARDIS-Cam, Doctor Forever! – Love & War, Scene Around Six, Coming Soon trailer. Genesis of the Daleks loses The Dalek Tapes. Revenge of the Cybermen loses the Coming Soon trailer.
I do find it odd that Robot contains the Coming Soon trailer for Ark in Space but none of the others are present.

To clarify things a bit further, the intention for these sets is to move some of the extras around so they end up on more representative sets.

Having said that it seems DWM have also accidentally missed out a few extras. According to Richard Bignell on the Gallifrey Base forum, the only things missing will be:

• Doctor Forever - Love and War
• Scene Around Six - Tom in Northern Ireland from around 1977/78
• TARDIS Cam 1
• The Doctor Who Technical Manual PDF
• Crosse & Blackwell Promo PDF

So, the Dalek Tapes will be included, plus the alternative titles have been moved from the Ark in Space to Robot.

And in the case of the coming soon trailer, it may well be that other than the Ark in Space they just don't exist anymore, either as an off-air audio recording or the original footage, hence why none of the others are included. (The Revenge of the Cybermen one is a coming soon DVD trailer, not an original TV one.)

[simon_r_harding]

Originally Posted by Jezza

To clarify things a bit further, the intention for these sets is to move some of the extras around so they end up on more representative sets.

Having said that it seems DWM have also accidentally missed out a few extras. According to Richard Bignell on the Gallifrey Base forum, the only things missing will be:

• Doctor Forever - Love and War
• Scene Around Six - Tom in Northern Ireland from around 1977/78
• TARDIS Cam 1
• The Doctor Who Technical Manual PDF
• Crosse & Blackwell Promo PDF

So, the Dalek Tapes will be included, plus the alternative titles have been moved from the Ark in Space to Robot.

And in the case of the coming soon trailer, it may well be that other than the Ark in Space they just don't exist anymore, either as an off-air audio recording or the original footage, hence why none of the others are included. (The Revenge of the Cybermen one is a coming soon DVD trailer, not an original TV one.)

I didn't even think that the Ark in Space trailer could have been an original TV ad. I just assumed it was the DVD trailer.

Only downfall from the shuffling about is if they don't get to release the other boxsets thus losing us Doctor Forever.