Sony's censorship policy

[MOONPHASE]

Originally Posted by CrazyBlu-RayFan

Worst part is that Sony picks and chooses what gets censored and what doesn't. Catherine Full Body on PS4 is 100% uncensored, same for GTA V and the USA releases of the South Park games (in which the first one has your underage character anally assaulted by a pretty phallic looking alien prob and also has you perform an abortion on a man). I hate censorship and don't want anything censored at all but if Sony is so gun-ho about this, then they should be doing the same to all games, not this pick and choose bullcrap.

I feel like it’s a putting a target on Japanese games only. The Last Of Us Part II a game Published by Sony has scenes that could never be shown in a Japanese game and yet Japanese games are the ones getting censored by Sony.

[neoz]

It just keeps getting worse and worse with Sony.

[voltz]

I considered this authoritarian and decided if I want to talk it will be strictly over discord where the accounts aren't tied.

Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

Well look at the Fairy Tail game from Koei Tecmo that is based off a Manga/Anime series. It was apparently patched to include censorship of just Panty Shots. However, it doesn’t just apply to the PS4 version, it is also patched to the Switch and Steam versions as well. So either system you choose, you get the censorship on that game. It is funny to censor Panty Shots that were built into the game and yet the DLC Swimsuits is more revealing.

Plus let us face it that Koei Tecmo’s Dead Or Alive 6 is censored on all systems as well but just done in a way where they toned it down from DOA5. It was Developed that way, but I think it is still considered censorship.

Senran Kagura and Valkyrie Drive’s Producer even moved to a different videogame company because of the censorship policies.

There is a full DLC chapter that won't be release in the US just simply because the sjw's don't want to give the option of paying for content they don't agree with. To me, giving other countries the priority while cutting off homeland is crossing the line over what we're allowed to do with our content.

Senran is something I feel pretty ashamed in seeing come to an end due to the political climate of today's audience. I was hoping maybe a switch to PC/Xbox would be the solution that saves it.

Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

I feel like it’s a putting a target on Japanese games only. The Last Of Us Part II a game Published by Sony has scenes that could never be shown in a Japanese game and yet Japanese games are the ones getting censored by Sony.

I was pretty sickened by this when other games get the censorship, yet here's some muscular female getting a pretty "R" rated sex scene (frontal nudity) with a complimentary pass from Sony themselves for the audience to enjoy. This goes to show you the real classic contradiction on what they preach and follow through on.

Again when they tell us what content we can't have, yet they shovel feed us this horse****.... People in charge need to be shown the door, immediately!

[jimidini]

Originally Posted by MOONPHASE

I feel like it’s a putting a target on Japanese games only. The Last Of Us Part II a game Published by Sony has scenes that could never be shown in a Japanese game and yet Japanese games are the ones getting censored by Sony.

It's quite hilarious in a way, because Japan is the one who censored Resident Evil 4 chainsaw deaths and who also censored sexual content in GTA 5.

For Sony censorship is nothing new.

They already did that on PS3 and before.
For example for The Last of Us people were told that the game would be released without any censorship in Europe, and what happened?
They censored part of multiplayer, possibly because of ridiculous laws in Germany (which makes it even more ridiculous to censor a game in all of Europe because of ONE country and Sony has been producing specific releases for parts of Europe to stop people from importing, which is even more ridiculous, for example Uncharted 2+3 for PS3 had a special UK version that only included English voice acting + text, for a so called region free console it's completely crazy)

Beyond: Two Souls also for PS3 also got censored to get a lower age rating.

Siren: Blood Curse for PS3 was censored in United States, but nowhere else.

Uncharted 1 for PS3 had blood removed from all versions when your console was a Japanese one (ridiculous), not Asian, but specifically Japanese.

It's weird that Gal*Gun for PS3 was not censored in Japan back then.

Also: what's even the logic behind it? Violence is fine, even when it's totally over the top like in Last of Us 2, even sex scenes are okay, but mild nudity of an adult female is not (Devil May Cry 5), meanwhile nudity is fine in GTA 5.

It seems
high profile game / Sony produced title = do whatever you/we please
game made by Japanese developers / non-mainstream title = how dare you

[jimidini]

Originally Posted by neoz

It just keeps getting worse and worse with Sony.

What makes this quite ridiculous is that they ask people to pay to participate in this (PS+).

Also how does this even work, let's say someone trolls another person to make them flip out, THEN hits record and sends that recording to "safety team" and gets the player banned? You can also do this via gameplay, so how does THIS work out? Let's say one player team kills another player over and over again, and this victim finally uses a curse word and then gets banned?

Would it record the whole conversation in retrospect, which would mean that it records literally everything just in case.

[MOONPHASE]

Originally Posted by jimidini

It's quite hilarious in a way, because Japan is the one who censored Resident Evil 4 chainsaw deaths and who also censored sexual content in GTA 5.

For Sony censorship is nothing new.

They already did that on PS3 and before.
For example for The Last of Us people were told that the game would be released without any censorship in Europe, and what happened?
They censored part of multiplayer, possibly because of ridiculous laws in Germany (which makes it even more ridiculous to censor a game in all of Europe because of ONE country and Sony has been producing specific releases for parts of Europe to stop people from importing, which is even more ridiculous, for example Uncharted 2+3 for PS3 had a special UK version that only included English voice acting + text, for a so called region free console it's completely crazy)

Beyond: Two Souls also for PS3 also got censored to get a lower age rating.

Siren: Blood Curse for PS3 was censored in United States, but nowhere else.

Uncharted 1 for PS3 had blood removed from all versions when your console was a Japanese one (ridiculous), not Asian, but specifically Japanese.

It's weird that Gal*Gun for PS3 was not censored in Japan back then.

Also: what's even the logic behind it? Violence is fine, even when it's totally over the top like in Last of Us 2, even sex scenes are okay, but mild nudity of an adult female is not (Devil May Cry 5), meanwhile nudity is fine in GTA 5.

It seems
high profile game / Sony produced title = do whatever you/we please
game made by Japanese developers / non-mainstream title = how dare you

As far as the violence in Japan goes for videogames, it is CERO (the Japanese equivalent to ESRB who say to these companies either you censor the violence or the game will be treated like an 18+ Adults Only title. With nudity they say no sex or full nudity is allowed on game consoles and handhelds. Nudity has to be covered up in some way even if it is just underwear or even soap or Steam conveniently covering up certain areas.

The Gal Gun situation is a bit hilarious and ironic since it was originally an Xbox 360 title but was censored. It was later ported to PS3 to add in what couldn’t be done on Xbox 360. Then the another game in the series called Gal Gun Double Peace for PS4, PS Vita and Steam and a sequel Gal Gun 2 came out to PS4, Switch and Steam which were localized unlike the 1st game but localized without censorship. Now the original game is back and being localized but not for PS4 but Xbox One uncensored along with Switch and Steam. So the series went from going to Sony to avoid censorship to moving away from it to not get censored.

[MOONPHASE]

Originally Posted by voltz

I considered this authoritarian and decided if I want to talk it will be strictly over discord where the accounts aren't tied.



There is a full DLC chapter that won't be release in the US just simply because the sjw's don't want to give the option of paying for content they don't agree with. To me, giving other countries the priority while cutting off homeland is crossing the line over what we're allowed to do with our content.

Senran is something I feel pretty ashamed in seeing come to an end due to the political climate of today's audience. I was hoping maybe a switch to PC/Xbox would be the solution that saves it.

Senran Kagura games can all be bought on Steam except for Senran Kagura 2 Deep Crimson and the unreleased game made for PS4 7Even. But the series is a bit up in the air on what can be done with it. Switch and Steam have been good places for it but rather play it on my PS4 controller.

[DVDude86]

Originally Posted by jimidini

Also how does this even work, let's say someone trolls another person to make them flip out, THEN hits record and sends that recording to "safety team" and gets the player banned? You can also do this via gameplay, so how does THIS work out? Let's say one player team kills another player over and over again, and this victim finally uses a curse word and then gets banned?

Well in a way, that is kinda the goal of people trolling, to fish for reactions they can laugh at. I've had my fair share of online games and can safely say that trolling actions are hardly punishable, people using chat for foul language on the other hand don't survive very long, shouldn't be different on a PS game online.

[CrazyBlu-RayFan]

Meanwhile Cyberpunk 2077 is allowed uncensored on PS4 and contains one of the most explicit male on female sex scenes I've seen in a non-porn video game and after the sex scene the male and female talk to each other and the female is without pants and underwear and you can clearly see her genitals. I just don't understand Sony's pick and choose censorship, even some anime style/Japanese games like Catherine Full Body and Bayonetta 1 are fully uncensored on PS4 too.

[KManX89]

Originally Posted by voltz

\There is a full DLC chapter that won't be release in the US just simply because the sjw's don't want to give the option of paying for content they don't agree with.

What's funny is the game Hyper Universe got censored simply to avoid offending the easily-offended SJWs and when asked to include a toggle switch for those who want the game in its original uncensored format, they declined, saying it would negate the censorship.

That, of course, went as you might expect for the game's Steam numbers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=277&...ature=youtu.be

[khalbrae]

Honestly they should have just included the option for a 99 cent DLC called "Yes, I am a pervert" that undoes the censorship. You know, give the DLC a name that concerned people avoid and is money gated so kids won't get access as easily.

[voltz]

Originally Posted by khalbrae

Honestly they should have just included the option for a 99 cent DLC called "Yes, I am a pervert" that undoes the censorship. You know, give the DLC a name that concerned people avoid and is money gated so kids won't get access as easily.

That could be a good idea, but I would like a little more where additional content can actually be added in as well. Not like DOA's level of content, because that'll just nickle and dime you to death.

[khalbrae]

Originally Posted by voltz

That could be a good idea, but I would like a little more where additional content can actually be added in as well. Not like DOA's level of content, because that'll just nickle and dime you to death.

Make it a whole huge pervert bundle! 15$ gets you the Lifetime Perv Pass

[Canada]

[Captain N]

It is strange that the video game medium still seems mired in political correctness. Movies have gone a long way, and have been more readily accepted in tackling taboo or sensitive material. The main problem is that games live and are distributed on platforms, and platform holders seem intent on drawing certain lines.

Eventually, games have to reach a point where they become platform agnostic (think movies), and only then will publishers be able to just print/make available games that can be played without corporate/platform interference.

That all said, the digital movement for video games probably makes this more problematic, as it then means there are still platforms. Even Steam is blocking games based on content, so we're still a ways away from a point where creators can just put out the material they want without being told what is and is not proper.

Of course, none of this sort of shenanigans is new or even recent. History illustrates a multitude of similar acts to "control" public sentiment and mores. Most people (I think) look back at these moments and think they're silly (e.g. Comic books, rock and roll, Mortal Kombat, the Simpsons, etc.), and yet we keep doing it.

Just another example of the fact that history tells us one clear thing: Mankind never really learns anything from history.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It’s the modern world. It seems if you are not hugely offended by something, you aren’t part of the crowd. This #Metoo movement needs to stop also. It’s gone waaaay too far imo.

Yes, the MeToo movement does seem like it's gone way too far. Until you understand just how pervasive sexual assault is and it's not just about women.

According to the National Sexual Violence Resource Center (in the U.S.):
- 20% of women experienced rape or attempted rape during their lifetime.
- 24.8% of men experienced some form of contact sexual violence in their lifetime.
- 81% of women and 43% of men experienced some form of sexual harassment during their lifetime.
- 33% of female victims and 25% of male victims of attempted or completed rape experienced it for the first time between 11 and 17
- it's estimated that over 734,000 people in the U.S. in 2018 were either threatened with rape or experienced an attempted or completed rape
- 51.1% of female rape victims reported being raped by an intimate partner and 40.8% by an acquaintance

[Captain N]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Yes, the MeToo movement does seem like it's gone way too far. Until you understand just how pervasive sexual assault is and it's not just about women.

According to the National Sexual Violence Resource Center (in the U.S.):
- 20% of women experienced rape or attempted rape during their lifetime.
- 24.8% of men experienced some form of contact sexual violence in their lifetime.
- 81% of women and 43% of men experienced some form of sexual harassment during their lifetime.
- 33% of female victims and 25% of male victims of attempted or completed rape experienced it for the first time between 11 and 17
- it's estimated that over 734,000 people in the U.S. in 2018 were either threatened with rape or experienced an attempted or completed rape
- 51.1% of female rape victims reported being raped by an intimate partner and 40.8% by an acquaintance

Agreed. Blaming any movement that aims to protect people rather than looking at the real-life reasons/problems is terribly short-sighted and selfish.

The MeToo movement - or ANY movement - is premised on injustice and wrongs experienced and ongoing.

While I am no fan of censorship, calling what Sony is doing censorship is just flat-out incorrect.

Fact is platform owners do it ALL the time, and are perfectly within their legal right to do so. Sony's decision is no different than ANY other platform holder. It may be arbitrary to some, and may be looks to be unfair, but it's Sony's platform - it can do what it wishes as the owner.

The good news is that there is competition so other platform holders will take different approaches. Nintendo, Xbox, Steam, Apple, etc. take different stances on content, and that's also perfectly within their rights.

It may sound like a cop-out answer, but if you dislike what the platform owners doing, criticize it for a lack of consistent application BUT don't go about criticizing those movements where REAL people were harmed and are trying to protect others from facing the same abuse and injustice.

That is an entirely illogical leap and misdirects the discussion; it's essentially advocating for oppressing and censoring people's right to voice real harms done to them.

In short, some folks here need to do a better job thinking more about what their position is, and whether that is at all consistent with what they're saying, before yakking about. This is sadly a problem of most people today.

[Glorian]

Originally Posted by Captain N

Agreed. Blaming any movement that aims to protect people rather than looking at the real-life reasons/problems is terribly short-sighted and selfish.

The MeToo movement - or ANY movement - is premised on injustice and wrongs experienced and ongoing.

While I am no fan of censorship, calling what Sony is doing censorship is just flat-out incorrect.

Fact is platform owners do it ALL the time, and are perfectly within their legal right to do so. Sony's decision is no different than ANY other platform holder. It may be arbitrary to some, and may be looks to be unfair, but it's Sony's platform - it can do what it wishes as the owner.

The good news is that there is competition so other platform holders will take different approaches. Nintendo, Xbox, Steam, Apple, etc. take different stances on content, and that's also perfectly within their rights.

It may sound like a cop-out answer, but if you dislike what the platform owners doing, criticize it for a lack of consistent application BUT don't go about criticizing those movements where REAL people were harmed and are trying to protect others from facing the same abuse and injustice.

That is an entirely illogical leap and misdirects the discussion; it's essentially advocating for oppressing and censoring people's right to voice real harms done to them.

In short, some folks here need to do a better job thinking more about what their position is, and whether that is at all consistent with what they're saying, before yakking about. This is sadly a problem of most people today.

Gotta call BS on this; a movement, just because they're trying to address real or possible future harm, doesn't get a pass on their behavior. For example, addressing some injustice to one group by abandoning due process and justice for others, as #MeToo supporters called for. There's broadly been recognition that those people went too far, even if it's not stated out loud, which is why, even on the left, accusations today are treated differently than they were during the height of that movement.

And this stuff, especially with the current social media environment, absolutely does affect what is made, what is or isn't censored, and what kind of harassment/threats employees might receive afterwards. So it's completely relevant to discuss in this context, since content producers tend to strongly react to the current environment.

So these things absolutely do cause issues, and a zealous movement, even for a potentially righteous cause, will lead to attacks, censorship, and negative influence on media of many kinds. Maybe especially so, since you can dismiss your opponents as evil, giving you broad justification to demand whatever suits you. Dismissing other opinions as selfish, bigoted, etc, means that many are afraid to speak up, or express valid disagreements, and leads to censorship in efforts to avoid such accusations. To say otherwise is to justify the moral panics and "please think of the children" nonsense of the past that you've referenced in your own post with other media.

Edit: Oh, and what Sony's doing absolutely is censorship; literally by the dictionary definition of it. You're right that they have the legal right to do so, but that doesn't at all change the fact of what they're doing.

[khalbrae]

Originally Posted by Glorian

Gotta call BS on this; a movement, just because they're trying to address real or possible future harm, doesn't get a pass on their behavior. For example, addressing some injustice to one group by abandoning due process and justice for others

I concur for the most part. The real problem is when the system moves to protect obviously guilty serial abusers with "open secrets". Weinstein would not have finally been subjected to justice without it.

Edit: Oh, and what Sony's doing absolutely is censorship; literally by the dictionary definition of it. You're right that they have the legal right to do so, but that doesn't at all change the fact of what they're doing.

Already on record that the stuff they take out should just be pay/age walled DLC so everyone can have the opportunity to enjoy their preferred version.

[CrazyBlu-RayFan]

PlayStation versions of Doki Doki Literature Club Plus have been censored regarding a scene of violence. Switch, Xbox, and PC versions remain uncensored.

1. This game is made in America, just has an anime style.

2. All versions of the game, including the uncensored versions, have an M (17+) rating.

3. The violence in this game, while disturbing, is nowhere near as gruesome as GTA, Last of Us, or Mortal Kombat.

4. Sony is getting ridiculous at this point.