Sony's censorship policy

[DJR662]

I was already seriously concerned about the way the gaming industry is changing in general, but it seems Sony is doing a pretty good job too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5dW...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO-i...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2db...ature=youtu.be

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/0...content/83575/


Just a quick Google search brings up all kinds of related stuff. I am so sick and tired with the way certain things are going. MK11 is a good example too.

Scary stuff...

[TheBlayman]

Originally Posted by DJR662

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5dW...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2db...ature=youtu.be

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/0...content/83575/

Really? WTFC? Try getting out of your parents basements.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by DJR662

I was already seriously concerned about the way the gaming industry is changing in general, but it seems Sony is doing a pretty good job too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5dW...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yO-i...ature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2db...ature=youtu.be

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/0...content/83575/


Just a quick Google search brings up all kinds of related stuff. I am so sick and tired with the way certain things are going. MK11 is a good example too.

Scary stuff...

It’s the modern world. It seems if you are not hugely offended by something, you aren’t part of the crowd. This #Metoo movement needs to stop also. It’s gone waaaay too far imo.

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It’s the modern world. It seems if you are not hugely offended by something, you aren’t part of the crowd. This #Metoo movement needs to stop also. It’s gone waaaay too far imo.

Absolutely agreed. You nailed it on the head. Things are REALLY out of hand. It is a major problem.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

Absolutely agreed. You nailed it on the head. Things are REALLY out of hand. It is a major problem.

My concern is we won’t see a GTA for the PS5 and if we do, it will be so far removed from earlier versions that it just won’t be worth playing.

The thing is, where do you draw the line? It’s going to be a VERY ugly future. I’m all for woman playing a huge part in the film industry. Heck, four of my favourite films have a strong female lead/character. (Alien, Aliens, T1 and T2) but this movement has become a witch hunt and a unhealthy obsession imo.

[MassiveMovieBuff]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

My concern is we won’t see a GTA for the PS5 and if we do, it will be so far removed from earlier versions that it just won’t be worth playing.

Yeah. I'm not a big gamer but this issue concerns everything in general today. I mean it terrifies me that certain older films might never get a blu ray release or a home entertainment release in general due to the way things are now with the #MeToo movement and PC in general. What happened?

I know things had been building up for a few years prior but it seems to me that things hit the fan when Straight outta Compton got wrongfully snubbed out of the academy awards. That fueled the whole race aspect of the PC movement when it was mainly just an issue with the film itself getting wrongfully snubbed. Then the academy thought they could make it right I guess with giving the awards to Moonlight the following year but it was too late.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

Yeah. I'm not a big gamer but this issue concerns everything in general today. I mean it terrifies me that certain older films might never get a blu ray release or a home entertainment release in general due to the way things are now with the #MeToo movement and PC in general. What happened?

I know things had been building up for a few years prior but it seems to me that things hit the fan when Straight outta Compton got wrongfully snubbed out of the academy awards. That fueled the whole race aspect of the PC movement when it was mainly just an issue with the film itself getting wrongfully snubbed. Then the academy thought they could make it right I guess with giving the awards to Moonlight the following year but it was too late.

Yeah, I have voiced my opinions many times about censorship and how switching to digital entertainment only makes things worse. At least on disc, they can’t remove content. Like you, I believe certain films won’t get a re-release in future years. Thankfully, I have nearly 800 discs now!

I was brought up to respect woman and treat people like I would like to be treated. There are always going to be racist, sexist, homophobics etc. Suppressing content is not the answer and never will be.

#Metootoofar!

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It’s the modern world. It seems if you are not hugely offended by something, you aren’t part of the crowd. This #Metoo movement needs to stop also. It’s gone waaaay too far imo.

Yes, the MeToo movement does seem like it's gone way too far. Until you understand just how pervasive sexual assault is and it's not just about women.

According to the National Sexual Violence Resource Center (in the U.S.):
- 20% of women experienced rape or attempted rape during their lifetime.
- 24.8% of men experienced some form of contact sexual violence in their lifetime.
- 81% of women and 43% of men experienced some form of sexual harassment during their lifetime.
- 33% of female victims and 25% of male victims of attempted or completed rape experienced it for the first time between 11 and 17
- it's estimated that over 734,000 people in the U.S. in 2018 were either threatened with rape or experienced an attempted or completed rape
- 51.1% of female rape victims reported being raped by an intimate partner and 40.8% by an acquaintance

[Captain N]

Originally Posted by ZoetMB

Yes, the MeToo movement does seem like it's gone way too far. Until you understand just how pervasive sexual assault is and it's not just about women.

According to the National Sexual Violence Resource Center (in the U.S.):
- 20% of women experienced rape or attempted rape during their lifetime.
- 24.8% of men experienced some form of contact sexual violence in their lifetime.
- 81% of women and 43% of men experienced some form of sexual harassment during their lifetime.
- 33% of female victims and 25% of male victims of attempted or completed rape experienced it for the first time between 11 and 17
- it's estimated that over 734,000 people in the U.S. in 2018 were either threatened with rape or experienced an attempted or completed rape
- 51.1% of female rape victims reported being raped by an intimate partner and 40.8% by an acquaintance

Agreed. Blaming any movement that aims to protect people rather than looking at the real-life reasons/problems is terribly short-sighted and selfish.

The MeToo movement - or ANY movement - is premised on injustice and wrongs experienced and ongoing.

While I am no fan of censorship, calling what Sony is doing censorship is just flat-out incorrect.

Fact is platform owners do it ALL the time, and are perfectly within their legal right to do so. Sony's decision is no different than ANY other platform holder. It may be arbitrary to some, and may be looks to be unfair, but it's Sony's platform - it can do what it wishes as the owner.

The good news is that there is competition so other platform holders will take different approaches. Nintendo, Xbox, Steam, Apple, etc. take different stances on content, and that's also perfectly within their rights.

It may sound like a cop-out answer, but if you dislike what the platform owners doing, criticize it for a lack of consistent application BUT don't go about criticizing those movements where REAL people were harmed and are trying to protect others from facing the same abuse and injustice.

That is an entirely illogical leap and misdirects the discussion; it's essentially advocating for oppressing and censoring people's right to voice real harms done to them.

In short, some folks here need to do a better job thinking more about what their position is, and whether that is at all consistent with what they're saying, before yakking about. This is sadly a problem of most people today.

[Glorian]

Originally Posted by Captain N

Agreed. Blaming any movement that aims to protect people rather than looking at the real-life reasons/problems is terribly short-sighted and selfish.

The MeToo movement - or ANY movement - is premised on injustice and wrongs experienced and ongoing.

While I am no fan of censorship, calling what Sony is doing censorship is just flat-out incorrect.

Fact is platform owners do it ALL the time, and are perfectly within their legal right to do so. Sony's decision is no different than ANY other platform holder. It may be arbitrary to some, and may be looks to be unfair, but it's Sony's platform - it can do what it wishes as the owner.

The good news is that there is competition so other platform holders will take different approaches. Nintendo, Xbox, Steam, Apple, etc. take different stances on content, and that's also perfectly within their rights.

It may sound like a cop-out answer, but if you dislike what the platform owners doing, criticize it for a lack of consistent application BUT don't go about criticizing those movements where REAL people were harmed and are trying to protect others from facing the same abuse and injustice.

That is an entirely illogical leap and misdirects the discussion; it's essentially advocating for oppressing and censoring people's right to voice real harms done to them.

In short, some folks here need to do a better job thinking more about what their position is, and whether that is at all consistent with what they're saying, before yakking about. This is sadly a problem of most people today.

Gotta call BS on this; a movement, just because they're trying to address real or possible future harm, doesn't get a pass on their behavior. For example, addressing some injustice to one group by abandoning due process and justice for others, as #MeToo supporters called for. There's broadly been recognition that those people went too far, even if it's not stated out loud, which is why, even on the left, accusations today are treated differently than they were during the height of that movement.

And this stuff, especially with the current social media environment, absolutely does affect what is made, what is or isn't censored, and what kind of harassment/threats employees might receive afterwards. So it's completely relevant to discuss in this context, since content producers tend to strongly react to the current environment.

So these things absolutely do cause issues, and a zealous movement, even for a potentially righteous cause, will lead to attacks, censorship, and negative influence on media of many kinds. Maybe especially so, since you can dismiss your opponents as evil, giving you broad justification to demand whatever suits you. Dismissing other opinions as selfish, bigoted, etc, means that many are afraid to speak up, or express valid disagreements, and leads to censorship in efforts to avoid such accusations. To say otherwise is to justify the moral panics and "please think of the children" nonsense of the past that you've referenced in your own post with other media.

Edit: Oh, and what Sony's doing absolutely is censorship; literally by the dictionary definition of it. You're right that they have the legal right to do so, but that doesn't at all change the fact of what they're doing.

[khalbrae]

Originally Posted by Glorian

Gotta call BS on this; a movement, just because they're trying to address real or possible future harm, doesn't get a pass on their behavior. For example, addressing some injustice to one group by abandoning due process and justice for others

I concur for the most part. The real problem is when the system moves to protect obviously guilty serial abusers with "open secrets". Weinstein would not have finally been subjected to justice without it.

Edit: Oh, and what Sony's doing absolutely is censorship; literally by the dictionary definition of it. You're right that they have the legal right to do so, but that doesn't at all change the fact of what they're doing.

Already on record that the stuff they take out should just be pay/age walled DLC so everyone can have the opportunity to enjoy their preferred version.

[Musashi]

Yes! Full agreement that Sony's only harming themselves with these ridiculous moves! I've seen attempts to defend it, but so far they all fail due to being based on false pretenses or assumptions that have been disproven 8 ways to next Tuesday.

[Talal86]

This doesn't affect me personally, as they haven't censored any of the games I usually play, but if you play these games they're censoring, I'd vote with my wallet and get them for the other systems, they're basically asking for it

btw I think Devil May Cry 5 got a patch to remove the censorship, or at least that's what I read

[evoxturbo]

You guys should relax. The #MeToo movement is dead. It didn't result in a single conviction in Hollywood pending Weinstein's private trial. Women are 83% of the consumer market. Companies will do whatever they can to appease their biggest customer base. Twitter & Facebook is a companies worst nightmare when it comes to consumer backlash these days. They know how easily women get offended and do everything to not let it happen and appease them. This is capitalism and social media stage of feminism changing corporations for the worst.

Men won't be able to change this because they won't waste all their hard earned money on useless consumer shit. They can however choose not to buy products from companies like Proctor & Gamble (Gillette) when they step out of line. Same goes for Sony if you are that against their creative decisions. Companies like Sony are censoring themselves because they don't want to upset women.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by evoxturbo

You guys should relax. The #MeToo movement is dead. It didn't result in a single conviction in Hollywood pending Weinstein's private trial. Women are 83% of the consumer market. Companies will do whatever they can to appease their biggest customer base. Twitter & Facebook is a companies worst nightmare when it comes to consumer backlash these days. They know how easily women get offended and do everything to not let it happen and appease them. This is capitalism and social media stage of feminism changing corporations for the worst.

Men won't be able to change this because they won't waste all their hard earned money on useless consumer shit. They can however choose not to buy products from companies like Proctor & Gamble (Gillette) when they step out of line. Same goes for Sony if you are that against their creative decisions. Companies like Sony are censoring themselves because they don't want to upset women.

The movement will have a ongoing effect on all media going forward.

Like all hysterical movements, It can do a lot of damage. In my opinion, Those creepy predator’s in Hollywood have a lot to answer for.

[MOONPHASE]

As a person who mostly only plays Japanese games, this has effected me a lot. Especially in the past year when Sony came up with this stupid idea.

But it does make me curious how God Of War - Sony’s own property will be like in the future since that series is known for actual sex and full body nudity.

Japanese games can never go that far because the rating boards in Japan CERO would never allow that kind of stuff on consoles and handhelds. Though only pervy games with bras, panties, swimsuits, towels and whatever else that covers the nudity like steam is allowed. And Sony is trying to get those kinds of games censored even more. Sure some are ports of a PC Hentai game that get censored to approval of CERO which is fine with me. But to edit it even more is dumb. It only proves that the people working at Sony are weak-minded.

ESRB is there for a reason, putting ratings on games so that parents can decide what is good for their their children or not. But with Anime games aimed towards adults that kids don’t even the game even exist, this censorship is just basically Sony treating me who is over 30 years old like I am 13 or even 3. I think 30+ years of age I am old enough to enjoy these kinds of games without censorship. It will be like going to a bar at 25 years old and asking for the strongest alcohol they have and they give you like a Light Beer. So a game with a Mature 17+ rating yeah I think I can handle whatever the game has on it.

I smell hypocrisy at Sony. Plus when the game is without Sony’s censorship on like Switch and/or Steam, Sony is basically saying don’t buy our version go to Nintendo or Steam like they don’t want our business despite the fact that Sony needs as much help as they can get for financial reasons.

[MOONPHASE]

Originally Posted by evoxturbo

You guys should relax. The #MeToo movement is dead. It didn't result in a single conviction in Hollywood pending Weinstein's private trial. Women are 83% of the consumer market. Companies will do whatever they can to appease their biggest customer base. Twitter & Facebook is a companies worst nightmare when it comes to consumer backlash these days. They know how easily women get offended and do everything to not let it happen and appease them. This is capitalism and social media stage of feminism changing corporations for the worst.

Men won't be able to change this because they won't waste all their hard earned money on useless consumer shit. They can however choose not to buy products from companies like Proctor & Gamble (Gillette) when they step out of line. Same goes for Sony if you are that against their creative decisions. Companies like Sony are censoring themselves because they don't want to upset women.

Um this has upset both Men and Women gamers. Girls like pervy games too especially the Otaku ones. Sony is only just satisfying themselves but claim it’s for the MeToo movement just to make themselves look good to the mainstream audience. Plus anything in a fictional videogame really has nothing to do with reality. So no matter what you do in these games has no bearing on reality. Sony may even be treating these games as real girls.

All this censorship does is hurt niche companies who are barely surviving as is and don’t need Sony’s crap right now. That’s why many of them haven’t been Developing for Sony as much and moved to Nintendo’s Switch and also Steam. Developers want the freedom of creating what they want in the way they want like it’s usually has been.

[Canada]

Originally Posted by evoxturbo

You guys should relax. The #MeToo movement is dead. It didn't result in a single conviction in Hollywood pending Weinstein's private trial. Women are 83% of the consumer market. Companies will do whatever they can to appease their biggest customer base. Twitter & Facebook is a companies worst nightmare when it comes to consumer backlash these days. They know how easily women get offended and do everything to not let it happen and appease them. This is capitalism and social media stage of feminism changing corporations for the worst.

Men won't be able to change this because they won't waste all their hard earned money on useless consumer shit. They can however choose not to buy products from companies like Proctor & Gamble (Gillette) when they step out of line. Same goes for Sony if you are that against their creative decisions. Companies like Sony are censoring themselves because they don't want to upset women.

The #MeToo movement is not dead, just because you don't see Harvey Weinstein on the TV doesn't mean it's dead.

[CrazyBlu-RayFan]

Worst part is that Sony picks and chooses what gets censored and what doesn't. Catherine Full Body on PS4 is 100% uncensored, same for GTA V and the USA releases of the South Park games (in which the first one has your underage character anally assaulted by a pretty phallic looking alien prob and also has you perform an abortion on a man). I hate censorship and don't want anything censored at all but if Sony is so gun-ho about this, then they should be doing the same to all games, not this pick and choose bullcrap.

[MOONPHASE]

Originally Posted by CrazyBlu-RayFan

Worst part is that Sony picks and chooses what gets censored and what doesn't. Catherine Full Body on PS4 is 100% uncensored, same for GTA V and the USA releases of the South Park games (in which the first one has your underage character anally assaulted by a pretty phallic looking alien prob and also has you perform an abortion on a man). I hate censorship and don't want anything censored at all but if Sony is so gun-ho about this, then they should be doing the same to all games, not this pick and choose bullcrap.

I feel like it’s a putting a target on Japanese games only. The Last Of Us Part II a game Published by Sony has scenes that could never be shown in a Japanese game and yet Japanese games are the ones getting censored by Sony.