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Old 12-01-2013, 05:00 AM   #21
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I don't suppose anybody here that has a copy of the Canadian BR would be willing to post a BDInfo scan? I can find scans for the France and UK BRs and I'm trying to find out if the encode on the Canadian BR is in fact the same on used on these discs.

I have the Canadian BR myself but no BR drive on my computer to scan it with.

Would appreciate it if anyone has knowledge to share here.
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Old 07-18-2014, 03:21 PM   #22
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I wonder why no post in this thread mentions the UK-release is cut,
answering to the ones stated to "stick to the UK-release"..

Anyway, the Canadian BD is def.uncut, PQ Id say just alike the French
yet it comes with virtually no extras.


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DISC INFO:



Disc Title: MARTYRS

Disc Size: 16,994,748,787 bytes

Protection: AACS

BD-Java: No

BDInfo: 0.5.8



PLAYLIST REPORT:



Name: 00000.MPLS

Length: 1:39:17.951 (h:m:s.ms)

Size: 16,947,781,632 bytes

Total Bitrate: 22.76 Mbps



VIDEO:



Codec Bitrate Description

----- ------- -----------

VC-1 Video 19998 kbps 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3



AUDIO:



Codec Language Bitrate Description

----- -------- ------- -----------

DTS Audio French 1509 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps



SUBTITLES:



Codec Language Bitrate

----- -------- -------

Presentation Graphics English 10.540 kbps

Presentation Graphics English 14.651 kbps

Presentation Graphics French 17.853 kbps
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Old 07-18-2014, 03:25 PM   #23
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I wonder why no post in this thread mentions the UK-release is cut,
answering to the ones stated to "stick to the UK-release"..

Anyway, the Canadian BD is def.uncut, PQ Id say just alike the French
yet it comes with virtually no extras.
Glad I didn't buy it then. The other day I finally bit the bullet and purchased the Canadian BD. Despite it's lack of extras that the UK disc carries, the PQ is great and it looks to be uncut, although on the back it reads 99 minutes and not 100 like IMDB and other sources list. As far as I could tell, nothing was cut though.

I have to say, I probably wouldn't mind. I've seen this film twice within the time space of five years and each time I barley got through it due to its final 20 minutes.

But in all seriousness, It's stupid that they cut stuff with different releasing. Just release it how it was meant to be intended.
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Old 07-18-2014, 04:00 PM   #24
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Wow, glad I didn't buy the UK version too, I almost did quite a few times. I'll get the Canadian version then (should be easy, I'm in Canada).
Wanted the special features but oh well, I can live without them. My current DVD has no features either anyway (also Canadian edition).
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Old 07-18-2014, 04:58 PM   #25
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I really wanted this title too, but didnt the US version have an English track and a pretty loong documentary?

I am amazed at all the Dimension Films/Weinstein Co titles stucked in limbo titles that were released by Vivendi on DVD have yet to see the light of Blu!!

For sure, you would though when The Weinsteins bought the percentage of Anchor Bay they would of release them!!
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Old 07-18-2014, 05:04 PM   #26
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What was cut from the UK version? The film was passed uncut according to the BBFC.
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Old 07-18-2014, 05:13 PM   #27
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What was cut from the UK version? The film was passed uncut according to the BBFC.
I'd like to know this as well. I've owned this film on Uncut DVD, UK Blu Ray (Which I sold) and The Canadian Blu. From my memory nothing was cut. The 97 minute time is likely adjusted for the Pal - NTSC difference.
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Old 07-18-2014, 05:25 PM   #28
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(...), although on the back it reads 99 minutes and not 100 like IMDB and other sources list. As far as I could tell, nothing was cut though.
As for the runtime 99min, actually didnt bother me, its what the French / Austrian [uncut] releases read.
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Martyrs-Blu-ray/49586/
http://www.bluray-disc.de/fsk18
A user review here on bluray.com made me doubt, though,
saying:
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...believe that I was watching a cut version of the film (only slightly)..
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Marty...2/#UserReviews


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But in all seriousness, It's stupid that they cut stuff with different releasing. Just release it how it was meant to be intended.
Agreed, that whole cut-thing is just for cry out loud. I still remember the chaos and misinformation I hit with I Saw the Devil, which love just as well. Finally I got stuck with the Black Edition, though I actually preferred the
US/CAN. artwork (Black Edition cover is such a terrible Old Boy rip off..)

As for the Martyrs UK-release, its labeled runtime 97min.
That seems 2-3mins short, might fit exactly the US-rated version:

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=857030
I noticed people in some other forums claiming the UK was uncut,
my guess is they reckoned there couldnt be an even nastier version..

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each time I barley got through it due to its final 20 minutes.
.. same here

Though the "famous" 10 mins. from Irreversible affected me even worse,
I dont think I will watch this one ever again.

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(...)
Wanted the special features but oh well, I can live without them.(...).
Yeah, Im not interested in extras that much, either.
In fact, I tend to avoid watching stuff like, EG, making-ofetc.
as for certain movies it sort of ruins the movie experience for me.
Might sound a bit silly, though
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Old 07-18-2014, 06:50 PM   #29
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There all uncut

http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparison....php?fid=15539
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Old 07-18-2014, 09:01 PM   #30
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Yeah, I read this one too. In fact, this site is not really much of a valid source, you know, pretty much anyone can post his own "facts" there.

From what I read, here at bluray.com, theres been 3 rated/cut releases:

- UK
- EDIT: Australia
- US (unrated release as well)

I'll provide the link if I found it, been a while ago.
Anyway, whats your explanation for the 2min difference in runtime then?
The UK-release doesnt run at 25fps AFAIK ..!?

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Old 07-18-2014, 09:10 PM   #31
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I'd like to know this as well. I've owned this film on Uncut DVD, UK Blu Ray (Which I sold) and The Canadian Blu. From my memory nothing was cut. The 97 minute time is likely adjusted for the Pal - NTSC difference.
PAL difference in runtime is only with DVDs.
Bluray/film(cinema) runs mostly @ 23,976 /24 fps.

There are "interlaced" / MBAFF Blurays, but that has absolutely nothing to do with PAL / NTSC.

I read the 97min runtime here at bluray.com, not dvd.com

For an explicit comparison of the US-rated / unrated cut:

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=857030

Anyone owning the UK-release might compare and enlighten us, is it 97min, are those scenes cut?

Might be just just a typo in the description ..
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Martyrs-Blu-ray/4317/

thanks for your input on this

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Old 07-18-2014, 09:51 PM   #32
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The back cover of the UK BD also shows a 99 min runtime.

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Old 07-18-2014, 09:59 PM   #33
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Here's The definitive answer straight from the BBC Film Classification Website.

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MARTYRS (2008)

TYPE Video

APPROX. RUNNING MINUTES 95

BBFCINSIGHT Contains sustained strong bloody violence and horror

GENRE(S) Horror

DIRECTOR(S) Pascal Laugier

CAST INCLUDES Morjana Alaoui, Mylene Jamponoi, Catherine Begin, Robert Toupin, Patricia Tulasne

CUT All known versions of this work passed uncut.
This is the official BBFC webpage. Yes the Runtime is incorrect, but this confirms what I and everyone else has said. Again, I've owned this Uncut on 3 different disks. The UK Blu is Region B, but Uncut.

BBFC Official Site
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Old 07-19-2014, 09:31 AM   #34
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Here's The definitive answer straight from the BBC Film Classification Website.



This is the official BBFC webpage. Yes the Runtime is incorrect, but this confirms what I and everyone else has said. Again, I've owned this Uncut on 3 different disks. The UK Blu is Region B, but Uncut.

BBFC Official Site
Right, and what exactly do you think that "answers definitely"?
Your BBFC Official Site provided the very same statement about I Saw the Devil:

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I SAW THE DEVIL (2010)

TYPE Video

APPROX. RUNNING MINUTES 138

RELEASE DATES 09/05/2011

BBFCINSIGHT Contains very strong bloody violence and strong sex

GENRE(S) Thriller, Horror, Drama

DIRECTOR(S) Jee-woon Kim



CUT All known versions of this work passed uncut.
While in fact, the UK-BD release on this movie is cut in next to all gore and violence scenes, compared to the US/ international cut.
Which contains all the gore/violence uncut, while less dialogue and sex.

So much for "all known versions passed uncut"



So that point point proofs evidently nothing,
except that its been rated somehow.

I believe you owned many, many discs of it,
I believe youre sure to remember it, also.
But the user-review here at bluray.com also clearly remembered the CAN-BD being cut, while its evidently not.
So that might be a valid argument for yourself, not for me.

The runtime at the cover doesnt proof much, either.
Plenty of examples where its wrong. (EG, Antichrist).

bluray.com review/description reads only 97min,
but thats also nothing to always rely on.

As for "you and everyone else" said that,
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Actually, i found out from blu-raydotcom that the canadian, french, and italian blu ray of this movie is uncut and unrated. Only the UK and Australian blu ray is rated and cut by 1-2minutes. i've since ordered and received the canadian version on blu and it is fantastic!
I appreciate your modesty though.
Maybe its more like: you and few other owner of this release,
who thought that PAL would matter for Blu-ray runtimes.. ?
... SCNR


But lets stop arguing and speculations on this,
Im not saying the UK-BD is definitely cut, but theres no proof so far -
merely contradictory informations and opinions.

Its actually quite simple to sort that out, though:

Canadian Disc runs: [exactly and evidently

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Length: 1:39:17.951 (h:m:s.ms)
The framerate for CAN & UK-BD, both 23,976 fps.

The opening credits on the CAN-BD run exactly 30 secs [or 720 frames],
[I can upload a sample if wished]

Someone might just go ahead posting the precise runtime / Disc Report,
and how many sec. the opening credits run -,

Now, there you go evidence.

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Old 07-19-2014, 02:20 PM   #35
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This movie was among the most memorably disturbing I've ever seen. And I have seen Antichrist and Requiem for a Dream!

The final shot has stuck with me since I watched the movie back in 2009. I still shudder violently, thinking about it. And the movie overall takes just a sadistically dark turn about halfway through. Because of these things, I can likely never watch it again.

But what I remember of it was good. It was a brilliant movie. But even I have my dark limits, and Martys just about cuts them and runs with them into the deepest parts of my own psyche.
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A bit of a rant...

I felt angry after watching MARTYRS. Like the feeling you get when you realise you've been duped. I didn't realise the film was torture porn before hand (I don't usually read reviews these days) and was genuinely shocked and disgusted by this explicit (and explicitly misogynist) depiction of female human suffering and degradation. Throughout this soul crushing experience I convinced myself that there had to be something to justify what I was witnessing... something to justify my not turning the disc off and taking a metaphorical moral shower. And then the big revelation... WTF? My blood began to boil. The excuse for this unflinchingly graphic, lovingly detailed portrayal of young girls/women being put thru unimaginable hell? I won't spoil it here for those who haven't seen the film and still wish to do so -- but what a load of pretentious bullshit! The filmmakers must've been rolling with laughter at the idea anyone would swallow this pretence (and many did). It's the equivalent of Michael Bay claiming that Transformers is an allegory to the on-going struggles in Gaza. I've seen A LOT of bad movies but here I was insulted and pissed off. In retrospect you could argue that I should have switched it off when the torture began... but I wasn't aware of the genre at that point or what was to follow. I've heard Martyrs referred to as a test. Of what exactly? The ability not to vomit? How much inhumanity one can stand before saying 'enough'? I've no problem with blood and guts. I like horror movies as much as the next person. These aren't horror. They're something much, much darker. An insight into the twisted psyche. Should these films be banned? No. I believe in freedom of choice. But why on earth would any sane person want to go there...?
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So basically you just didn't get it?
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So basically you just didn't get it?
That must be it.
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That must be it.
Clearly if you thought it was nothing more than torture porn (when in fact if anything it is anti torture porn) you didn't get it.
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But even I have my dark limits, and Martys just about cuts them and runs with them into the deepest parts of my own psyche.
It's like being punched in the face for 90 minutes before being kicked in the balls!
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