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Old 01-21-2021, 05:27 PM   #221
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They do that?!
Sadly yes. Previously seen on The Mask of Zorro and the Resident Evil box set. Plus others I assume.

Sony pop-up? Anyone?
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Old 01-21-2021, 05:29 PM   #222
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If the subtitles are on the black bars, then it means lots of constant shifting of my eyes to read them, then look back up at the frame again, back and forth, so for me I prefer them over the image.

Plus not all films have black bars anyways depending on how it was shot and framed, so for those you won't have black bars available for the subtitles anyways.
If it's truly replicate the theatrical experience, then the subtitles should be over the image. They are much as part of those frames as everything else. Especially if the fonts were designed a certain way.

Putting them in the black bars, and often "generic-ifying" the font, is another Sony "thing" that annyoys me.
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Old 01-21-2021, 05:35 PM   #223
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We're all getting a little spoiled by this excellent format. It's getting harder and harder, after all the rich, warm color timing and excellent management of highlights, to go back and watch standard blu rays with their typically overblown skies and more washed-out looking color palettes. The older blu ray transfers especially just look generally flat and uninspiring, to my eyes now, in many cases. Even a below-average 4k uhd can usually best its blu ray counterpart in SOME various ways, unless something is just flat-out fubar. The better our displays get in future, the more drastically these 4k uhd presentations will likely outshine and grossly outdistance their blu ray counterparts, on our evolving home theater systems.

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Old 01-21-2021, 05:43 PM   #224
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A result of artificial sharpening?
To me it just looks like it’s a limitation of the source made more obvious by the higher contrast of HDR, the jump in resolution, and higher chroma. If you look closely the same jaggies are there in the standard blu-ray just less obvious due to lower contrast, the lower resolution, and lower chroma of the lower format.

Knowing Sony, the HDR and wider colors (not to mention the jump to 3D audio) will smoke the old blu ray.
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Old 01-21-2021, 08:13 PM   #225
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I have the BD and the 4K (DV) on iTunes.

4K easily looks better than the BD thanks to HDR. Some of them look fake probably due to excessive CGI but the 4K smokes the BD w.r. to HDR/WCG.

I would say avoid staring at these converted caps. They are not a real representation of the actual film.
I'm pretty sure those jaggies we see in the UHD caps are really on the disc.
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Old 01-21-2021, 08:16 PM   #226
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Hasn't goof done screens? If your inclined to go by screens, then I'd use his over Caps any day.
There's nothing wrong with caps-a-holic's screens. I think most people don't think to view the full png image, and instead view the compressed jpgs. Goof's screens don't offer a direct A-B comparison to the old blu-ray disc like caps-a-holic does.
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Old 01-21-2021, 09:22 PM   #227
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There's nothing wrong with caps-a-holic's screens. I think most people don't think to view the full png image, and instead view the compressed jpgs. Goof's screens don't offer a direct A-B comparison to the old blu-ray disc like caps-a-holic does.
Eh. They’re still converted to SDR and a smaller color gamut so they’re not representative of how it will actually look on a proper set with HDR and good color volume.

Also, and this goes for standard blu-ray as well, you can’t judge it properly until you see it in motion. No one watches a film pausing it on every single frame.
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Old 01-21-2021, 09:53 PM   #228
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For judging resolution/detail caps-a-holics is excellent though. Better than watching it live, since you quickly can switch between two editions of the same movie, so it’s easier to spot the differences.
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Old 01-21-2021, 10:24 PM   #229
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Watching this again. I stand by my previous comments. Besides few scenes and a touch degrained look, this easily blows the BD.

San Andreas comes into mind.

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Old 01-21-2021, 10:28 PM   #230
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It looks very good according to caps-a-holics !
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Old 01-21-2021, 10:40 PM   #231
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If you have a decent audio setup, this thing is easily one of the best recent audio tracks to come out. When watching this, I was going to skip through and just check to make sure that I was happy with my purchase... I ended up watching the whole thing, and it put my subwoofers to work.
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Old 01-21-2021, 10:49 PM   #232
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Mine arrived yesterday, and what a hefty case w/ slipcover.

I haven't watched it yet, but the caps are an improvement over the dated BD imo.
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A result of artificial sharpening?

If you look closely, the jaggie is still there in the 1080p SDR version, just blown out.


Remember, 2012 was shot on still evolving pro digital cameras and probably not even at 2k's worth of resolution.
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Old 01-21-2021, 11:53 PM   #234
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For judging resolution/detail caps-a-holics is excellent though.
No it's not. You have to see the entire movie in motion in your own home theater because everybody's TVs are not the same. People have different kinds of 4K TVs, video settings and calibrations (if any). You can't judge the picture quality of movie or anything else for that matter by looking at still photos on the internet.

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Old 01-22-2021, 12:04 AM   #235
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If you look closely, the jaggie is still there in the 1080p SDR version, just blown out.


Remember, 2012 was shot on still evolving pro digital cameras and probably not even at 2k's worth of resolution.
The jaggies are there on a completely synthetic VFX shot too, and aren't visible at all in several of those other caps, so it's not just 'dem cameras'. Besides, the Genesis was a cracking bit of kit for the time with its supersampled 5760x2160 RGB sensor @ 14 bit, it only ever output 1080p at 10-bit but it wasn't throwing away loads of colour resolution like modern cameras with Bayer array sensors. The chip was the same width as Super 35 as well, it wasn't some tiny 2/3" CCD.

People can play 'spot the flaws' with capsaholic but here's a 'spot the improvement', see how the clothing is more finely resolved? https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=2&x...4&l=0&i=1&go=1
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Old 01-22-2021, 06:28 AM   #236
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Has it been determined where the subtitles have been placed? I have a CIH projection set-up and am hoping they didn’t put them over the lower black bar. If they have, does anyone happen to know if the Panasonic DP-UB820 can move them?
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Has it been determined where the subtitles have been placed? I have a CIH projection set-up and am hoping they didnít put them over the lower black bar. If they have, does anyone happen to know if the Panasonic DP-UB820 can move them?
The Panasonic and Oppo 4k players have a feature that can shift player generated subtitles up or down on the screen.
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Old 01-22-2021, 07:04 AM   #238
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Got the movie...my two cents:

Looks a lot better IMO. The VFX - which I thought would suffer due to enhanced resolution - look better and better integrated with the live action footage. The pervasive teal wash of the previous blu-ray is gone. The HDR is not overdone.
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Old 01-22-2021, 10:17 AM   #239
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I did ask Caps to look at the burned in subs.

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...160508&i=9&l=0

The 4K Blu-ray does have burned in subs on all audio settings.

Both USA/European standard Blu-rays don't have this stylized subtitles.
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The 4K Blu-ray does have burned in subs on all audio settings.

Both USA/European standard Blu-rays don't have this stylized subtitles.
I noticed it while watching and thought it was a nice touch.

Sony didn't just lazily toss this on disc and call it a day. They used a BD-100, great audio & video, and put the Target bonus content on the 4K disc itself. Only thing missing is some DV MEL goodness.
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