Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I'd like to expand on my previous point so you see how much I like the internet.

Physical Media with Online Marketplaces:
+Thousands of titles available (practically everything that has ever been released)
+Nothing can ever be taken away or modified
+Anything that is broken or lost can be easily replaced

Streaming And Downloads:
+Thousands of titles available
-Anything can be removed or modified at any time
-Availability of each title is controlled by the studios
-Price of each title is controlled by the studios

Physical Media without Online Marketplaces:
-Hundreds of Titles Available (only what happens to be available locally)
+Nothing can ever be taken away or modified
-If something breaks or is lost it may be difficult or impossible to replace
-Very difficult and time consuming to browse what is available
-Very difficult and time consuming to compare prices


Physical media without online marketplaces is by far the worst of those 3 options.

I disagree. I think that option #2 is still the worst. Not having actual possession and full control over my purchases is a negative that can not be overcome.

With option #3, all titles are still available and anything purchased is still really yours the same as with option #1. Finding what you want might require more effort, depending largely on where you live. Urban and suburban areas would likely have a huge selection while those in more rural areas, like me, would have a great reason to make a day trip or go on an over nighter into the big city to shop, sightsee, see a live show, and dine out. It would make acquiring movies an adventure, but never an impossibility. I think such occasional trips would always be worth the effort to truly own what I buy.

I lived option #3 from the '80s up until online shopping became commonplace and I still easily managed to build a fine film library prior to it.

[PenguinInfinity]

I respect that opinion too. But I think we can both agree that Physical Media with Online Marketplaces is far superior to either other option.

Therefore my main point still stands: the internet has done far more good than harm.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I respect that opinion too. But I think we can both agree that Physical Media with Online Marketplaces is far superior to either other option. Therefore my main point still stands: the internet has done far more good than harm.

Oh, beyond any doubt! The internet allows me to shop globally. I could never do that before and I would be loathe to lose that ability now.

I routinely import movies and more from online vendors across the world; it is a shopper's paradise!

The internet's many other benefits beyond shopping are too numerous to list. I remember perfectly well living without any internet and I would never want to go back to that time after knowing all that it has made possible.

[PenguinInfinity]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Oh, beyond any doubt! The internet allows me to shop globally. I could never do that before and I would be loathe to lose that ability now.

I routinely import movies and more from online vendors across the world; it is a shopper's paradise!

The internet's many other benefits beyond shopping are too numerous to list. I remember perfectly well living without any internet and I would never want to go back after knowing all that it has made possible.

Fortunately I never had to live in that world. I've been using the internet since I was 5 years old.

I'm not nearly as internet addicted as most people I know and obviously all of my movies, TV shows, video games, and music work perfectly without any internet access. But I still love the internet and would hate to lose it.

I'm very happy with the world as it is now. Physical media and internet access will continue to exist and benefit each other for the rest of my life.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Fortunately I never had to live in that world. I've been using the internet since I was 5 years old.

I sometimes imagine how vastly different my life would have been if I had had the internet from the time of my first memory.

Not that I have any regrets; I would not trade my past experiences just for internet access. In a way, I feel like I appreciate the internet even more than someone of your generation ever could simply because I know what living was like without it.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I liked it. Don't be so rude Donster. You always have to get personal.

Asking a rhetorical question isn’t being rude. If I had ask, ‘Are you ****ing stupid?’ Now that would have been rude, but I didn’t ask that. That would have been both rude and personal. I’m so glad I didn’t say that.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

So, when it suits you it’s fine? Double standards. You shouldn’t support the enabler of streaming video.

Man, if that’s not the pot calling the kettle black

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I worked at my local college for 20 years as liaison officer and event organiser and now I work with adults with autism and other various challenges on a one to one basis.

So you’ve gone from one controlled environment to the next without any real life experiences.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I can handle myself.

LOL, I seriously doubt that. You can’t even have a civil conversation on a public forum without popping a blood vessel. So what makes you think you’d be cool under pressure. Let me guess, “Because I know.”

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

[Show spoiler]

So you’ve gone from one controlled environment to the next without any real life experiences.

How did my reply to you wind up behind your post in the thread timeline?

Anyway, I am placing my reply AFTER your post to restore order to the universe.

I criticize, tease, and ridicule most of what he says here, but I can only commend his profession. Assisting people with such difficult challenges is as "real" as it gets. The work he does is needed, beneficial, and honorable. It likely is not as financially rewarding as many other occupations, but foregoing more lucrative opportunities only increases my respect for those who choose to help people over making the most money possible.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Vilya

How did my reply to you wind up behind your post in the thread timeline?

Anyway, I am placing my reply AFTER your post to restore order to the universe.

I criticize, tease, and ridicule most of what he says here, but I can only commend his profession. Assisting people with such difficult challenges is as "real" as it gets. The work he does is needed, beneficial, and honorable. It likely is not as financially rewarding as many other occupations, but foregoing more lucrative opportunities only increases my respect for those who choose to help people over making the most money that they could have otherwise.

Damnit McFly. Will you stop trying to fix the timeline. I deleted it and reposted it (quote/grammar/punctuation issues) and was in the middle of my reply when I noticed you did that

My point was more about him being socially awkward in the forum than his profession. I have no doubt he’s good at his job. Most successful people are. I just wished it carried over more in his posts when faced with adversity.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Damnit McFly. Will you stop trying to fix the timeline. I deleted it and reposted it (quote/grammar/punctuation issues) and was in the middle of my reply when I noticed you did that

My point was more about him being socially awkward in the forum than his profession. I have no doubt he’s good at his job. Most successful people are. I just wished it carried over more in his posts when faced with adversity.

I’m not bothered in the slightest about your impression in that sense. I will freely admit I’m not really a people person. I prefer my own company and I have done since I was a little boy. Outside of family and a small circle of very long term friends (whom I am exceptionally close to, I have never chased or desired company.
I couldn’t be socially awkward though, that wouldn’t work with my job. I have to be out in the public and in social situations all the time. Outside of work, I like low key things. Cinema, theatre, dining out and HT. The fact I’m most comfortable at home, in my own space doesn’t make me a bad person. Not everyone needs to be a social creature.

By the way, your previous post was a daft one. You obviously don’t have a clue about the issues faced by people with special needs. Especially in a country where cuts are being made to social care. It’s real, it’s very real.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

How did my reply to you wind up behind your post in the thread timeline?

Anyway, I am placing my reply AFTER your post to restore order to the universe.

I criticize, tease, and ridicule most of what he says here, but I can only commend his profession. Assisting people with such difficult challenges is as "real" as it gets. The work he does is needed, beneficial, and honorable. It likely is not as financially rewarding as many other occupations, but foregoing more lucrative opportunities only increases my respect for those who choose to help people over making the most money possible.

Thank you. You are right, it isn’t the greatest paid job in the world but having saved like crazy over the previous 20 years working at a much better paid job and being not far away from paying off my mortgage, I am in the position where I can do what I want to do rather than my job going stale.

As you say, it’s as ‘real’ as it comes. Life in the raw, if you like. There is a lot of hate and ignorance out there and there will always be people looking to exploit others. I like to think I do my little bit to help people live a better life despite their challenges. Those people are braver than you can imagine, often facing not just psychical but mental challenges. I get to see both the ugly and the shining light of human nature.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

[Show spoiler]I’m not bothered in the slightest about your impression in that sense. I will freely admit I’m not really a people person. I prefer my own company and I have done since I was a little boy. Outside of family and a small circle of very long term friends (whom I am exceptionally close to, I have never chased or desired company.
I couldn’t be socially awkward though, that wouldn’t work with my job. I have to be out in the public and in social situations all the time. Outside of work, I like low key things. Cinema, theatre, dining out and HT. The fact I’m most comfortable at home, in my own space doesn’t make me a bad person. Not everyone needs to be a social creature.

By the way, your previous post was a daft one. You obviously don’t have a clue about the issues faced by people with special needs. Especially in a country where cuts are being made to social care. It’s real, it’s very real.

Listen, there’s no part of this scenario where I’m not the *******. So I’ll just push ahead. I can’t maintain what I can’t control. What people hear is often very different than what someone said. My post wasn’t about your job, as much as it was about you, Steedeel.

I know a lot of successful, unsociable people who are great at their jobs. The same issues you face on a daily basis are the same ones the rest of the world faces too. To assume otherwise is ridiculous.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Listen, there’s no part of this scenario where I’m not the *******. So I’ll just push ahead. I can’t maintain what I can’t control. What people hear is often very different than what someone said. My post wasn’t about your job, as much as it was about you, Steedeel.

I know a lot of successful, unsociable people who are great at their jobs. The same issues you face on a daily basis are the same ones the rest of the world faces too. To assume otherwise is ridiculous.

I don’t claim to be any different to anyone else. I graft, most of the world grafts.

It was your controlled environment and real life experience comments I took exception too. It was a silly thing to say but we all say silly things (insert sarcastic Vilya comment here). No big deal.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I don’t claim to be any different to anyone else. I graft, most of the world grafts.

It was your controlled environment and real life experience comments I took exception too. It was a silly thing to say but we all say silly things (insert sarcastic Vilya comment here). No big deal.

Moi?

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I deploy carefully crafted and nuanced witticisms to humorously illuminate the logical fallacies littered throughout your rambling rants. Stooping to the use of simple sarcasm to lampoon your comical comments would be too far too easy and would immeasurably lessen the excellent entertainment that replying to them entrails.

I meant entails, sorta kinda.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Moi?

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. I deploy carefully crafted and nuanced witticisms to humorously illuminate the logical fallacies littered throughout your rambling rants. Stooping to the use of simple sarcasm to lampoon your comical comments would be too far too easy and would immeasurably lessen the excellent entertainment that replying to them entrails.

I meant entails, sorta kinda.

I forgot to finish my point the other day with all the four way stuff that was going on.

That expert in that article stated that you should watch on the smallest screen possible and several of those articles made a point of how high the carbon footprint was for larger TV sets. Those guidelines could be made official and tv manufacturers discouraged from making huge sets.

It’s not inconceivable that TV sets will get much smaller again in the future or even be substituted for mobile screens in the home.

It’s also going to be something that is going to be campaigned against. The people concerned want the governments to tackle it and I’m afraid that’s when the trouble starts. This is one of those things that won’t go away and I can see a time in the not too distant future when our liberties are taken away. The major impact for me being the devastating loss of film on a big screen.

We are, after all going to be bombarded with campaigns, guidelines and recommendations in the next few years.

I can see the tech industry having to make huge cuts to quality and how we watch content.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Something that baffles me is, why troll in media threads you don’t support. Both alchav21 and Steedeel are guilty of this

I think Alchav is a troll,
no other way to explain someone saying binge watching a series on disk is hard

I think Steedeel is a paranoid depressive and I wish he will get professional help. If it is all an act then it is amazing but every time I read his posts they make me think of my younger sister. she does not care about films like he does but she acts the same way on other matters (for example some years back they were here and I did not have desert so I proposed we go out for ice cream. we get to the ice cream shop and she started to freak out and go back. She had just seen a segment about girl gangs (I am assuming it was not the film Warriors) and she was convinced those three 10-12 year old girls eating an ice-cream in their shorts and Ts with their wiener dog was some kind of apocalyptic gang with their attack dog (with the rest of the gang hiding inside) waiting to rape, kill and mangle our bodies.

I had to go out (I wanted my ice cream) buy it and bring them back so that we can eat them in the stuffy car.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

No, it said Facebook could charge a fee to upload colour pictures or only allow Black and White images. I was referring to that. It’s in the articles.

As we speak web programmers are working on getting their sites down to Kb rather than Mb. This can be achieved by returning to the old fashioned static pages with standard fonts, no video, no dynamic windows or graphics, compressed pictures rather than the big sized photos that currently accompany articles and finally no auto playing video or pop up ads.

Youtube have already made it optional to turn off videos for audio tracks. There will be huge cuts made on the service side and consumer side before this is all done.

Gifs take up a lot of space by the way!

that sounds good to me I am exhausted from useless bloatware. to bad it is all delusions

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I think you and Wendell are wrong, upload speeds are becoming more important. To maintain that solid download speed you need good communication. Here is some information I pulled from the Net:

https://www.google.com/search?ei=DyM...4dUDCAo&uact=5

With Streaming Providers going with Adaptive Streaming, that upload speed becomes critical. Having Symmetrical speeds makes for a superior Streaming Experience. I have no problems with any Streaming Provider.

so you think it takes roughly the same amount of data to let the other side know if things are getting there on time?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

I think Alchav is a troll,
no other way to explain someone saying binge watching a series on disk is hard

I think Steedeel is a paranoid depressive and I wish he will get professional help. If it is all an act then it is amazing but every time I read his posts they make me think of my younger sister. she does not care about films like he does but she acts the same way on other matters (for example some years back they were here and I did not have desert so I proposed we go out for ice cream. we get to the ice cream shop and she started to freak out and go back. She had just seen a segment about girl gangs (I am assuming it was not the film Warriors) and she was convinced those three 10-12 year old girls eating an ice-cream in their shorts and Ts with their wiener dog was some kind of apocalyptic gang with their attack dog (with the rest of the gang hiding inside) waiting to rape, kill and mangle our bodies.

I had to go out (I wanted my ice cream) buy it and bring them back so that we can eat them in the stuffy car.

Anthony, the points I made were backed up with links. There are experts out there who want to make governments aware of the impact streaming and watching video have on climate change. This won’t go away. There will be guidelines that suggest watching on small screens and in SD to improve carbon footprint. There will be pressure to decrease resolution and that is being hinted at in those articles I linked pages back. This doesn’t even slightly concern you? (in a HT sense).

[Vilya]

If your liberties are taken away, you will have far more than your access to movies to worry about.

Recommendations are just that: recommendations. I recommend that you spend less time scaring yourself with the internet and more time enjoying life. It's only a recommendation, so you can relax; no one is going to make you have any fun.

I do not see anyone accepting or tolerating any of what you see.

The largest sources for greenhouse gas emissions, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, are:

Transportation: 28.7%

Electricity production: 27.5%

Industry: 22.2%

Commercial and residential: 11.6%

"Greenhouse gas emissions from businesses and homes arise primarily from fossil fuels burned for heat, the use of certain products that contain greenhouse gases, and the handling of waste."

Agriculture: 9%

The single largest use of electricity in our homes is to run our heating and cooling systems. The power needed to stream videos and to watch TV is not even mentioned. If the government wanted to regulate anything about our personal power usage, they would put a limiter on our thermostats before they even dreamed of worrying about our TVs.

Transportation, power generation, and industry produce 78.4% of all the greenhouse gas emissions. Reducing greenhouse gas emissions needs to be addressed mostly with these three sectors.

Commercial and residential power usage only accounts for 11.6% of greenhouse gas emissions and ranks fourth in total greenhouse gas emissions. If you and I want to reduce our carbon footprint we need to start with our home thermostat and with the fuel efficiency of our vehicles. Our internet usage and TV watching is trivial in comparison to those two things.

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sou...-gas-emissions

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Anthony, the points I made were backed up with links. There are experts out there who want to make governments aware of the impact streaming and watching video have on climate change. This won’t go away. There will be guidelines that suggest watching on small screens and in SD to improve carbon footprint. There will be pressure to decrease resolution and that is being hinted at in those articles I linked pages back. This doesn’t even slightly concern you? (in a HT sense).

So was alchav's last post and he completely misunderstood what he had read, much like you often do.

No expert, not one, has predicted what you have. No one has introduced any regulations, taxes, or laws to enforce any element of your predictions.

I can sit on my ass all day and all night doing whatever I wish. I can turn my air conditioning to 58 degrees, set the stove to 500 degrees with the oven door open to see which one wins, turn on every lamp, turn on my home theater, brighten the screen to the max, turn the volume up as loud as I can stand it, do the same with my computer, run every appliance at its highest settings, and turn on everything I overlooked. All I have to do is pay the nice power bill when it arrives.