Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[smithb]

Originally Posted by rikraq

So you guys would rather spend money buying a lot of possibly crap movies than deign to use streaming first?

You must have money to blow.

No, it's more about being interested in movies that are typically not available any other way, via streaming or rental.

I grew up with the catalog titles from the 70's through 90's. I've owned and upgraded many titles on VHS, to DVD, to now Blu-ray. For the past decade, I've become much more interested in watching new (to me) content from the 30's through 50's then rehashing titles I've seen many times over. I'm not talking the standard well-known classics people collect from yesteryear, but previously forgotten classics. The movies that are just now being released on Blu-ray for the first time from the more obscure labels. I don't consider any of these crap movies, and even if I only watch once, it was worth it to me for the experience.

I have nothing against streaming, its just that I already have 2000+ movies and 200+ TV series that I've collected across decades. And this doesn't even include the sports I've collected, also not available elsewhere. I'm not lacking in content.

[The_Donster]

Originally Posted by rikraq

So you guys would rather spend money buying a lot of possibly crap movies than deign to use streaming first?

You must have money to blow.

[gotmule]

Originally Posted by rikraq

So you guys would rather spend money buying a lot of possibly crap movies than deign to use streaming first?

You must have money to blow.

The majority of my movies are blind buys, but mostly educated buys nevertheless.

I will however pick up about 20 titles or so a year that I had rented the disc previously and liked, or rentals which had great audio.

I went through my collection and came up with less than 10 blind buys that I can honestly say will never find their way into my player again. Most of these were spontaneous purchases and usually at a discounted price. Doing the math, that is a generous $150 worth of “Crap” in my collection.

The flip side is too hard to quantify, where a blind buy put a smile on my face somehow.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by rikraq

So you guys would rather spend money buying a lot of possibly crap movies than deign to use streaming first?

You must have money to blow.

I have some money to blow; most of us here frequenting an enthusiast website such as this one do.

I do stream content; it is essentially how I rent movies. If I like what I watch on streaming, I will then buy it on disc if the option to do so exists.

I do blind buy some movies just like I try new restaurants that I know very little about. Curiosity combined with an attractive price makes a blind buy an acceptable risk. Most of my blind buys have proven to be worthwhile; I have very few regrets. I have a pretty good idea whether or not I will like something; I know myself very well.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by rikraq

You must have money to blow.

They don't call it disposable income for nothing.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I have some money to blow; most of us here frequenting an enthusiast website such as this one do.

I do stream content; it is essentially how I rent movies. If I like what I watch on streaming, I will then buy it on disc if the option to do so exists.

I do blind buy some movies just like I try new restaurants that I know very little about. Curiosity combined with an attractive price makes a blind buy an acceptable risk. Most of my blind buys have proven to be worthwhile; I have very few regrets. I have a pretty good idea whether or not I will like something; I know myself very well.

That’s exactly how I play things. I don’t just pick random movies, I have a very good idea what I am going for. A constantly updated list that I keep tabs on, whether that’s from film festivals or magazine subscriptions. I don’t watch trailers anymore even, they give away too much.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by gotmule

The majority of my movies are blind buys, but mostly educated buys nevertheless.

I will however pick up about 20 titles or so a year that I had rented the disc previously and liked, or rentals which had great audio.

I went through my collection and came up with less than 10 blind buys that I can honestly say will never find their way into my player again. Most of these were spontaneous purchases and usually at a discounted price. Doing the math, that is a generous $150 worth of “Crap” in my collection.

The flip side is too hard to quantify, where a blind buy put a smile on my face somehow.

Educated buys? Yep, that’s exactly how I would describe what I do also.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by rikraq

So you guys would rather spend money buying a lot of possibly crap movies than deign to use streaming first?

You must have money to blow.

Good judgement is necessary.

Money to blow? No, I just always dreamed of owning a HT. Even as a little boy.
I worked from leaving school and I didn’t drink or smoke. Nor do I have children so any spare money is mine.

It’s amazing what you can save when you don’t spend stupid money on nights you can’t remember!

I’m proud of it, I don’t make any apologies.

[rikraq]

At the end of the day, to each his own!

I enjoy reading everyone's perspectives and experiences.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by smithb

I've only been to a cinema no more than 5 times in the last 15 years. Coincidentally, my home theater was finished in 2004. That lets you know my preference for viewing location.

Yes, less noise and annoying crunching.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by rikraq

You must have money to blow.

Remember Einstein's Theory of General Relativity?

See a post of mine here and look at the following post.

[dublinbluray108]

Streaming services like Netflix are proving to be quite popular with up to half of homes subscribed to them in the UK although there is still a large audience, 69% of whom, who still like watching conventional TV. But younger people are the ones who giving streaming a big hit with their viewing habits as the Ofcom report says that more of them are now watching online content than ever before. Younger people stream on average for about 1 hour per day on Youtube compared to an adult who would spend 30 minutes per day on Youtube.

There is a big share of viewers who would still watch national events on the big screen. But it's not enough according to Ofcom.

Despite the World Cup, Prince Harry and Meghan's wedding, and hit dramas like the Bodyguard, BBC One had a three-minute fall to 41 average daily minutes.

In comparison, the average daily viewing of streaming services rose by seven minutes to 26 minutes last year.

The fall in TV's ratings is driven by larger decreases in peak time and falls in viewing by older audiences.

Dramas like Bodyguard, which was 2018's most watch TV drama, resonated with most viewing audiences, according to viewing figures.

However Ofcom warned that “a few popular drama and entertainment programmes are not enough on their own to stem the overall decline in broadcast TV viewing”.

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-08-07/...-like-netflix/

These figures do not take into account usage of Physical media in UK homes. But there is obviously a large portion of the UK population still actually buy content on Physical media largely because they like to watch content from boutique labels & because of difficulties in obtaining access to high speed fibre broadband. A report from the BBC recently noted that only 7% of the UK's population receive access to fibre broadband which I think is really poor for country that has have a population of nearly 70 to 80 million people.

[alchav21]

So what are you trying to say, that Amazon, Netflix, and Streaming Providers like Vudu are taking over? Streaming is the next level of Video watching, and I think Displays will be the access!

[The_Donster]

[Vilya]

Two of our forum members will see this article as prophetic; one will joyously embrace it as the new world order while the other will convulse in fear at the downfall of civilization itself.

Young people stream, from amongst many viewing options; who knew? Does their being highly mobile with school and work factor into it? Does still living at home with their parents have anything to do with it? My choices in life expanded dramatically once I became a gainfully employed adult with his own home and theirs likely will, also.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by alchav21

So what are you trying to say, that Amazon, Netflix, and Streaming Providers like Vudu are taking over? Streaming is the next level of Video watching, and I think Displays will be the access!

Streaming isn't taking over anything. It is a very distant second to pay TV. It is not the "next level", either, unless you consider viewing, and listening, in lower quality to be an "advancement".

Pay TV is still the dominant viewing choice, as indicated by revenue generated worldwide, and by a very vast margin; global pay TV revenue for 2016 was $205 Billion. By 2024, that is projected to fall to $177 Billion despite a projected increase in total pay TV subscribers.

https://www.wrcbtv.com/story/4061940...illion-in-2024

Global streaming revenue for 2018 was a mere $22.6 Billion. It is projected to reach $30.6 billion by 2022 and even that amount is nowhere near to where pay TV is projected to be in 2024.

https://venturebeat.com/2019/03/30/g...sual-suspects/

Recap for you: Global pay TV made $205 billion while global streaming made just $22.6 Billion. Streaming revenue will not even come close to pay TV revenue for a very, very long time, and it may never do so.

Your last comment about the necessity of displays is so incredibly beyond obvious. No matter how any of us access content, be it with pay TV, subscription streaming, or physical media, we will all need a display to view it.

If you meant access via the apps installed on a display device, that could mean TVs, phones, tablets, and laptops, and that is so broad as to also be pointless. Where the app is installed does not much matter although some streaming aficionados insist that a dedicated streaming device yields the best results.

Your comment about displays is as pointless and silly as this query: Did you know that the internet will be essential to streaming? What obvious statement will you offer us next? The importance of oxygen perhaps, especially for healthy brain cells? I certainly fear for your supply.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Streaming isn't taking over anything. It is a very distant second to pay TV. It is not the "next level", either, unless you consider viewing, and listening, in lower quality to be an "advancement".

Pay TV is still the dominant viewing choice, as indicated by revenue generated worldwide, and by a very vast margin; global pay TV revenue for 2016 was $205 Billion. By 2024, that is projected to fall to $177 Billion despite a projected increase in total pay TV subscribers.

https://www.wrcbtv.com/story/4061940...illion-in-2024

Global streaming revenue for 2018 was a mere $22.6 Billion. It is projected to reach $30.6 billion by 2022 and even that amount is nowhere near to where pay TV is projected to be in 2024.

https://venturebeat.com/2019/03/30/g...sual-suspects/

Recap for you: Global pay TV made $205 billion while global streaming made just $22.6 Billion. Streaming revenue will not even come close to pay TV revenue for a very, very long time, and it may never do so.

Your last comment about the necessity of displays is so incredibly beyond obvious. No matter how any of us access content, be it with pay TV, subscription streaming, or physical media, we will all need a display to view it.

If you meant access via the apps installed on a display device, that could mean TVs, phones, tablets, and laptops, and that is so broad as to also be pointless. Where the app is installed does not much matter although some streaming aficionados insist that a dedicated streaming device yields the best results.

Your comment about displays is as pointless and silly as this query: Did you know that the internet will be essential to streaming? What obvious statement will you offer us next? The importance of oxygen perhaps, especially for healthy brain cells? I certainly fear for your supply.

I’m sure he meant displays as in tv screens.

As to that link, it’s of course evidence that our younger society are moving away from traditional tv. They ain’t watching Youtube on their family tv, that’s for sure. 1 hour is quite a chunk of time. Now, adding to that, we have the problem of live sport. Youngsters seem to prefer watching brief goal clips on social media feeds rather than the big tv. I remember several years ago, people made live sport one of the big reasons by tv viewing wouldn’t die in this very forum. We now see a trend where the upcoming generation will make a mockery of that claim. Those massive numbers for the Super Bowl and such will continue taking a dramatic fall over the upcoming years.

What do I know though? I’m s paranoid mentalist who lives in fear.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

So what are you trying to say, that Amazon, Netflix, and Streaming Providers like Vudu are taking over? Streaming is the next level of Video watching, and I think Displays will be the access!

I notice how you have changed your stance from you original argument of Digital HD? .

[The_Donster]

Considering I’m actually raising the younger generation I can that they bounce from all formats. Phone, cable, streaming, gaming and disc using a 55” flatscreen. The exception being the phone.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by The_Donster

Considering I’m actually raising the younger generation I can that they bounce from all formats. Phone, cable, streaming, gaming and disc using a 55” flatscreen. The exception being the phone.

Sadly millions are not as that article suggests.