Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

If you are needing to adjust settings all the time before watching a film, something is wrong.

Depending on what we plan to watch will determine several settings. As noted earlier Dolby Atmos is a different speaker configuration than DTS:X. The physical speaker placement is the same but the AVP has a different configuration for each. Not a big deal to call several different configurations in macros but would be a pain to do manually. Many of the 5.1 and 7.1 sound tracks sound quite good with the Dolby Upmixer or DTS Neural X engaged but may require tweaking, depending on title being played. I tend to just select DSU and go.

1.85 or 1.78 viewing calls for one setup and 2.35 calls for another. Because I use the zoom method I tweak the lens shift after a ratio change because the lens shift is not precise enough for me.

[Steedeel]

Anthony, wasn’t always the case. Used to babysit my nephews weekly but they are grown men now. I’m only 44!

I’m exceptionally close to my family but they understand I am also fine with my own company as well as enjoying time with them.

If I find a woman who doesn’t want kids, I may even settle down!

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Who you callin' "simple?"

Not me master, it was that other dude posing as me. If I could do a trace I bet it would lead to the "Donster".

[Vilya]

Visitors are guests and they have no business messing with my home theater; I am the sole pilot of that plane.

I do have my TV set-up so that it is possible to stream and watch TV channels with just the TV, its internal lame-O speakers, and its remote. Visitors are allowed to do that much, but anything more than that requires a pilot's license. Dems da rules!

No one handles my discs but me!

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Very but nah, I have three pages of soft keys with a macro programmed to each soft key. So only one to three key pushes are required.

for me OTA and FTAS take 2 (click the activity and then an image of the person for personalized channel guides and layouts)

film in the HT has sub choices for AR with default set-up 16:9

No, most macros only take a few seconds to operate. I have thought about modifying this cool graphic (below) to display while the macro preforms.

I have a fancy hidden macro on my activity page (to impress guests) starts with an audio intro and then adds a little video intro.

I don't know about you r set-up and macro, but the last thing to be ready is the projector so a simple please wait like you showed here is not really worth it IMHO also if you go with the gimmick like I did have it as a separate choice, fun for guests but it gets old real fast. Just my 2 cents

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Depending on what we plan to watch will determine several settings. As noted earlier Dolby Atmos is a different speaker configuration than DTS:X. The physical speaker placement is the same but the AVP has a different configuration for each. Not a big deal to call several different configurations in macros but would be a pain to do manually. Many of the 5.1 and 7.1 sound tracks sound quite good with the Dolby Upmixer or DTS Neural X engaged but may require tweaking, depending on title being played. I tend to just select DSU and go.

1.85 or 1.78 viewing calls for one setup and 2.35 calls for another. Because I use the zoom method I tweak the lens shift after a ratio change because the lens shift is not precise enough for me.

People with a lot of technical knowledge have a talent for making simple tasks complex.

I press three power buttons, pop in a disc, and press play. Not another button is likely to get touched until appetite, thirst, or bladder demand that I press "pause" or until the movie ends.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Paid extra for what, delivery? Calibration? If calibration, how did they supply you with the results. Which mode(s) did they calibrate (TV, Cinema, Movie, Game, TV, etc.)? You really need to be specific.

My TV delivery included unboxing, attaching the TV footsies, placing it on the stand where I wanted it, plugging it in, verifying that it powered up properly, and the hauling away of any trash. There was no extra charge for any of this work.

I did the rest, copying the settings from what I learned from doing simple online research. Not as good as a pro calibration, but far cheaper than $249, too.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Not me master, it was that other dude posing as me. If I could do a trace I bet it would lead to the "Donster".

Anyone with a "The" in front of their name could be sketchy.

Yours truly,

The Vilya

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Anthony, wasn’t always the case. Used to babysit my nephews weekly but they are grown men now. I’m only 44!

I’m exceptionally close to my family but they understand I am also fine with my own company as well as enjoying time with them.

If I find a woman who doesn’t want kids, I may even settle down!

Hope You did not take it too personally I was just razzing you. There is nothing wrong with being by oneself, I was that way most of my life, the point is simple set-up simple situation it makes sense to only use the default remotes, complex set-up c and complex situation it makes sense to simplify it all with a good controller.

If you truly want someone in your life I wish you all the luck finding them.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Paid extra for what, delivery? Calibration? If calibration, how did they supply you with the results. Which mode(s) did they calibrate (TV, Cinema, Movie, Game, TV, etc.)? You really need to be specific.

Why do I have to be specific? I didn't pay $250 because the sales person gave me a discount. So I paid extra for delivery, set up, Basic Calibration, and they took my old Mitsubishi. Like I said the Techs brought up TV Channels and some Streaming Providers like Amazon and Vudu. No written results, the Techs just ask me questions on how I liked the Picture on TV and Streaming. So yes it was very basic, but the PQ looks great to me.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Visitors are guests and they have no business messing with my home theater; I am the sole pilot of that plane.

agree, but what happens when they are not visitors (others living in your house) or you are not there?

I do have my TV set-up so that it is possible to stream and watch TV channels with just the TV, its internal lame-O speakers, and its remote. Visitors are allowed to do that much,

but that simple thing is not that simple in my home, there is no streaming the antenna/satellite are both connected to PVRs, it will always mean having several devices on at the same time and having to have the right inputs selected. the difference is

but anything more than that requires a pilot's license. Dems da rules!

agree, same here,the difference is that I have a guard to enforce the rules (people can choose what they want to do, but in order to mess with the settings they need my 6 digit pin)

No one handles my discs but me!

There I am different, by default people can watch my BDs and borrow them.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

People with a lot of technical knowledge have a talent for making simple tasks complex.

I press three power buttons, pop in a disc, and press play. Not another button is likely to get touched until appetite, thirst, or bladder demand that I press "pause" or until the movie ends.

can't talk about Wendell but for me that would be two buttons at the most h film and, if someone cares, they can press DTS in a wide box (if that is the settings they want to use

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

agree, but what happens when they are not visitors (others living in your house) or you are not there?

There I am different, by default people can watch my BDs and borrow them.

Anyone visiting my home is someone that I trust; otherwise they are not welcome in the first place. I tell my guests that they can use the TV and I leave its remote in plain sight. All the other remotes are put away and they know not to use them.

When I have guests, I seldom go anywhere without them. An absent host is not a very good one, in my opinion.

No one lives with me except my one-eyed cat. I don't see that changing as I am set in my ways and I am pretty insufferable. Yeah, even I know it.

I don't allow people to handle my discs because they do not treat them with the care and respect that I require. Increasingly, as I redeem more of the digital codes included with my discs visitors are allowed to access those titles with the simple TV set-up that I have made for their benefit.

[sapiendut]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Why do I have to be specific? I didn't pay $250 because the sales person gave me a discount. So I paid extra for delivery, set up, Basic Calibration, and they took my old Mitsubishi. Like I said the Techs brought up TV Channels and some Streaming Providers like Amazon and Vudu. No written results, the Techs just ask me questions on how I liked the Picture on TV and Streaming. So yes it was very basic, but the PQ looks great to me.

That’s not how calibration works at all.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

That’s not how calibration works at all.

Well, what is the typical cost to have one TV professionally calibrated, how long does it take, and do national chain stores that offer this service do a good job? How does one select a professional TV calibrator with confidence?

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Why do I have to be specific? I didn't pay $250 because the sales person gave me a discount. So I paid extra for delivery, set up, Basic Calibration, and they took my old Mitsubishi. Like I said the Techs brought up TV Channels and some Streaming Providers like Amazon and Vudu. No written results, the Techs just ask me questions on how I liked the Picture on TV and Streaming. So yes it was very basic, but the PQ looks great to me.

the issue is that everything looks great to you so that is meaningless. Now we know that you are not talking about a real professional calibration, just because the delivery person asked you what do you want and helped you make some selections does not mean your TV was professionally calibrated. In order to that you need a colorimeter, proper test material and very little input from the user. you don't need input if it is 50% grey or navy blue all you need is to know if the colour that should be shown is shown.

[sapiendut]

You can go to ISF website and look for them there. Chain stores in Canada charges $300 (about US$250) to calibrate TV. I hired a several of them to witness how they work, they don’t do HDR at all. Do a 709 and bye bye. They didn’t even set my UHD player at all.

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Vilya

Anyone visiting my home is someone that I trust; otherwise they are not welcome in the first place. I tell my guests that they can use the TV and I leave its remote in plain sight. All the other remotes are put away and they know not to use them.

For meit is not about trust but my own craziness and temptation (don't want anyone messing up my AV settings and then needing hours to fix it all). But sad to hear that I would never be allowed to your place

When I have guests, I seldom go anywhere without them. An absent host is not a very good one, in my opinion.

I have never had any complaints from any of my guests. On the other hand I do have responsibilities and a job and so I can't always be here , for the last decade I have had one (or more ) of my Nephews visiting every summer they don't mind watching films, playing games swimming in the pool going out for a stroll or a drive during the day and then hanging out with their old uncle in the evening.

I don't allow people to handle my discs because they do not treat them with the care and respect that I require. Increasingly, as I redeem more of the digital codes included with my discs visitors are allowed to access those titles with the simple TV set-up that I have made for their benefit.

that is where we differ I think there are a bunch of dumbasses out there that think they know everything and one of them will mess up my settings and should have been a relaxing movie evening would turn into hours of calibration. On the other hand most people are not evil and they won't go out of their way to ruin a disk. All young kids need to learn is not to touch the shinny side and if you borrow it you can't borrow anything else until you bring the other one back. After all what is the worst that can happen? I need to buy a film again? for the most part (and usually for what is borrowed) that is not a big deal.

[sapiendut]

After I lent my Casiopea Perfect Live II LaserDisc that I never received back and THX WOW demo DVD that “got lost” when it was borrowed, I never lend my discs out except to my parents.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by alchav21

So yes it was very basic, but the PQ looks great to me.

I hate to be the one to break it to you but that is not calibration. At minimum (for Rec 709), you need some test signals like those found on the Spears and Munsil test disc, Disney WOW disc and others. I highly recommend Spears and Munsil, a blue only mode on your TV or blue filters. If you follow the instructions correctly then you should have a decent picture when finished. Don't know what to tell you about HDR since you have no player.

When one says:

PQ looks great to me - that's fine
Streaming looks great to me - that's fine
Streaming looks as good as Blu-ray to me - that's fine
Streaming looks as good as Blu-ray - Huston, we have a problem