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Old 11-08-2018, 07:21 PM   #141
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It's nice! Just got it tho so can't comment too much only demo'd a few scenes. Watched some HD content yesterday the picture is brighter with richer colors tho compared to my non HDR tv I had before. Using Standard mode for regular tv, after doing some research I setup the player input with Cinema Pro and made a few tweaks, I'm sure I'll do some more tweaking after watching a few movies this wkd.

Try out these setting for a start. YMMV as every panel is different, as is every room.

https://www.flatpanelshd.com/review....&id=1519270866
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Old 11-09-2018, 12:59 AM   #142
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It's nice! Just got it tho so can't comment too much only demo'd a few scenes. Watched some HD content yesterday the picture is brighter with richer colors tho compared to my non HDR tv I had before. Using Standard mode for regular tv, after doing some research I setup the player input with Cinema Pro and made a few tweaks, I'm sure I'll do some more tweaking after watching a few movies this wkd.
Thanks for the information and please post some more updates after you have watched some more movies. If you get a chance can you try a couple of DVD's. I'd like to know your thoughts on DVD's.
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Old 11-09-2018, 02:58 AM   #143
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My 900 85in will be here tomorrow. cant wait. my living room 55 died, so I moved my 78 curved to living room and will ad the 85 to the HT room
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Old 11-10-2018, 01:21 AM   #144
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Does anyone know when the BF prices are likely to take effect? Might it be over the weekend or sometime next week?
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Old 11-10-2018, 03:28 PM   #145
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So we watched The Avengers last night, I have watched around 30 UHD's on a 4K SDR tv over the last few years but this was the first with an HDR capable display and WOW! The special effects and colors were amazing, was not expecting that dramatic of a difference really expected it to be more of a subtle improvement. So I'm very pleased with the picture quality some of the scenes did indeed make me squint! Even the wife said she noticed the picture improvement and bright special effects.

Gonna watch X-Men Apocalypse next, maybe one of my other titles in Dolby Vision to check that out but pretty stoked with the new display!
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Old 11-11-2018, 04:05 PM   #146
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Just got my 900F yesterday and got it set up. I was coming from the Z9F as I feel it wasn't quite where it should be from a quality control perspective (light bleeding along edges, weird zone lighting stuff going on in very specific scenarios, and even a little light leakage along the bottom of the screen).

Considering this TV is half the price of the Z9F, it's comparable. I watch in a pitch black environment almost exclusively, so this TV gets bright enough for my needs when HDR is involved.

The Z9F does some things better, other things worse. For example, the light bar bleed is far worse on the Z9F. In actual on-screen content though, blooming was better in certain respects on the 900F, but in others blooming was also worse. I feel like the Z9F did better with bright stuff against a black background. When it came to bright stuff against a normal picture, the 900F has better overall light uniformity in that respect.

My 900F has one small spot with dirty screen stuff going on. However, it's not noticeable in most my usage in my first 24 hours. I did a torture test with the foggy sequence near the beginning of Blade Runner 2049, and I can see it. But otherwise, it really hasn't been noticeable while watching 2001 on 4K UHD with HDR, nor has it been noticeable while playing PvZ Garden Warfare 2 or Cuphead. Even with Sea of Thieves, I really need to be looking for it in order to see it. Other than the one small spot though, this panel is uniform, and doesn't really have me missing the uniformity of the Z9F too much.

I feel like the trade-off between the Z9F to the 900F was well worth it. No doubt the Z9F is a monster in many respects (in a good way), but the price differential considering how well the 900F performs, for my money, means the 900F is the better buy. Also coming from the Z9F, I actually do appreciate the uptick in native contrast on the 900F.
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Despicable Me in Dolby vision was not quite as impressive but good to know DV works on my setup, a logo came up briefly at the beginning but otherwise just shows HDR on TV. The players display info showed it but I think it's forced with the X700 when you turn it on.
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Despicable Me in Dolby vision was not quite as impressive but good to know DV works on my setup, a logo came up briefly at the beginning but otherwise just shows HDR on TV. The players display info showed it but I think it's forced with the X700 when you turn it on.
This one isn't in DV(it's HDR10) but definitely shows off HDR, Lego Batman.

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Old 11-12-2018, 10:01 PM   #149
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Ok thx, I picked up the Harry Potter set and a few other titles, gonna watch plenty of UHD's over the next couple weeks. I need to hold off till black friday to buy anymore discs been cutoff
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Anyone use the Custom setting for Motionflow with the sliders? I haven't been super happy with it off or the standard setting for sports and TV, not movies.

Smoothness at 2, Clearness at 1, really cleans up the motion handling of the tv
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So I've been tinking with my settings for HDR/DV content on my x900F and I'm a little confused with regards to different brightness levels between picture modes.

With totally identical settings across the board, the Custom picture mode achieves a higher brightness than the Standard mode. This is all fine and good, I'll just use Custom obviously. But when I play Dolby Vision content, it's the same lower brightness as the Standard picture mode. All the settings are identical, the brightness is maxed out, and yet Custom is quite a bit brighter. The result here is that HDR10 content looks a lot nicer than Dolby Vision due to the boost in brightness and the added vibrancy that gives the image.

I've triple checked, all settings are completely identical.

If it means anything, HDR10 content is being passed through to the TV via PC (mpc/lav/madvr setup), and the DV content is via an x700. The PC is set to Full RGB 4:4:4 via Radeon, Lav and Madvr, and the x700 is set to Auto (as is the TV's video settings so I believe it's probably 4:2:0 and Limited which would be reflected in the TV).

The blacks aren't crushed in DV or anything, nor are they greyed out. It looks identical to how the Standard mode displays HDR content, but is missing that extra brightness that makes it pop achievable through Custom that I obviously can't use in DV.

Can anyone shed some light on this (ha ha ha)

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Old 11-19-2018, 04:20 AM   #152
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Anyone use the Custom setting for Motionflow with the sliders? I haven't been super happy with it off or the standard setting for sports and TV, not movies.

Smoothness at 2, Clearness at 1, really cleans up the motion handling of the tv
I have a 940E. Custom setting of Smoothness 2 and Clearness 1 works great for me as well, as does Smoothness 3 and Clearness 1.
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Old 11-19-2018, 03:29 PM   #153
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So I've been tinking with my settings for HDR/DV content on my x900F and I'm a little confused with regards to different brightness levels between picture modes.

With totally identical settings across the board, the Custom picture mode achieves a higher brightness than the Standard mode. This is all fine and good, I'll just use Custom obviously. But when I play Dolby Vision content, it's the same lower brightness as the Standard picture mode. All the settings are identical, the brightness is maxed out, and yet Custom is quite a bit brighter. The result here is that HDR10 content looks a lot nicer than Dolby Vision due to the boost in brightness and the added vibrancy that gives the image.

I've triple checked, all settings are completely identical.

If it means anything, HDR10 content is being passed through to the TV via PC (mpc/lav/madvr setup), and the DV content is via an x700. The PC is set to Full RGB 4:4:4 via Radeon, Lav and Madvr, and the x700 is set to Auto (as is the TV's video settings so I believe it's probably 4:2:0 and Limited which would be reflected in the TV).

The blacks aren't crushed in DV or anything, nor are they greyed out. It looks identical to how the Standard mode displays HDR content, but is missing that extra brightness that makes it pop achievable through Custom that I obviously can't use in DV.

Can anyone shed some light on this (ha ha ha)
My guess would be your not getting an accurate image with HDR10 content thru your PC. Thought I read HDR content is either 4:2:0 or 4:2:2 but I could be wrong there. I've been using Cinema Pro for picture mode and both DV and HDR10 look really good about the same really.

Are you using inputs 2 and 3?

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Old 11-19-2018, 04:27 PM   #154
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So I've been tinking with my settings for HDR/DV content on my x900F and I'm a little confused with regards to different brightness levels between picture modes.

With totally identical settings across the board, the Custom picture mode achieves a higher brightness than the Standard mode. This is all fine and good, I'll just use Custom obviously. But when I play Dolby Vision content, it's the same lower brightness as the Standard picture mode. All the settings are identical, the brightness is maxed out, and yet Custom is quite a bit brighter. The result here is that HDR10 content looks a lot nicer than Dolby Vision due to the boost in brightness and the added vibrancy that gives the image.

I've triple checked, all settings are completely identical.

If it means anything, HDR10 content is being passed through to the TV via PC (mpc/lav/madvr setup), and the DV content is via an x700. The PC is set to Full RGB 4:4:4 via Radeon, Lav and Madvr, and the x700 is set to Auto (as is the TV's video settings so I believe it's probably 4:2:0 and Limited which would be reflected in the TV).

The blacks aren't crushed in DV or anything, nor are they greyed out. It looks identical to how the Standard mode displays HDR content, but is missing that extra brightness that makes it pop achievable through Custom that I obviously can't use in DV.

Can anyone shed some light on this (ha ha ha)
If you're not capable of measuring how much light output you're getting on the TV then you don't know if the brighter HDR10 is actually following the correct EOTF curve or not. I know you didn't ask if it was correct or not but the point still stands, without an objective measurement then one could be too bright and the other too dim etc. That the settings are identical but you're getting different results is because the brightness curve changes from one picture mode to the other. I can't tell you to not like the brighter one, obvs.

BTW the Sony player won't output 4:2:0 for 24p content, no set-top player will as it's not in the current HDMI spec (it's reserved for 4K50/60 only). All HDR10 content on disc is encoded in 4:2:0, the player will output chroma-upsampled 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 depending on how it's set up (Auto will usually default to 4:4:4), not that the differences are major.
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My guess would be your not getting an accurate image with HDR10 content thru your PC. Thought I read HDR content is either 4:2:0 or 4:2:2 but I could be wrong there. I've been using Cinema Pro for picture mode and both DV and HDR10 look really good about the same really.

Are you using inputs 2 and 3?
I think you misunderstand - the HDR content through PC looks practically identical in colour and brightness in Standard picture mode - as Dolby Vision content does in it's own mode via the x700. So I don't think it has anything to do with the source, it's all the TV.

As long as the settings are the same across every app on the PC and the TV, content should look the same regardless of the colour space.

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If you're not capable of measuring how much light output you're getting on the TV then you don't know if the brighter HDR10 is actually following the correct EOTF curve or not. I know you didn't ask if it was correct or not but the point still stands, without an objective measurement then one could be too bright and the other too dim etc. That the settings are identical but you're getting different results is because the brightness curve changes from one picture mode to the other. I can't tell you to not like the brighter one, obvs.

BTW the Sony player won't output 4:2:0 for 24p content, no set-top player will as it's not in the current HDMI spec (it's reserved for 4K50/60 only). All HDR10 content on disc is encoded in 4:2:0, the player will output chroma-upsampled 4:2:2 or 4:4:4 depending on how it's set up (Auto will usually default to 4:4:4), not that the differences are major.
Yeah, I get that. The brighter image probably isn't correct, as the whitest whites (eg small very bright lights) clip slightly, but the rest of the image just looks... right (reverting it back to standard brings them back). DV/Standard mode just looks too dim, and not how I've been watching movies all these years.

It's just weird that there would be a brightness curve that I can't control between these two modes?

Also, are people using CinemaPro untouched? Practically all the picture modes have a super weird colour balance, most of them are set to a warm colour profile. I don't really understand this. What's the logic to using anything other than Neutral? Surely that will get you the most accurate colours as they are on the disc? I don't want a push to either side or warm or cool - just give me the image as is. I see a lot of people recommend warm, but it just looks so wrong, there's no way that's how the colours are supposed to look. It's like a mild sepia filter!

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Old 11-19-2018, 10:22 PM   #156
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What figures for brightness (backlight) and contrast are you using in DV mode?
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What figures for brightness (backlight) and contrast are you using in DV mode?
Brightness is max, contrast is default. Same as custom. Is there more than one brightness setting?
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What's the default?
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What's the default?
I'm not at home so I can't tell ya, but I was positive it's the same across both DV and Custom. If I totally cooked it and that's different you reckon that could be the culprit? I'll let ya know in 8 hours
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I dunno, it'd just be good to get a baseline of where you've got the contrast at.
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