Doctor Who: The Collection Season 12 • Tom Baker Season 1 - Limited Edition

[hariseldon]

Originally Posted by Zakman

Does anybody know if this is still available to buy in the UK. I should have bought it from Amazon UK when I had the chance. I can buy it for £74 from Australia. Can anyone tell me if the Australian version is identical to the UK one? I mean are they both the same or is the packaging or anything else different? Thanks.

haven't seen any non-scalper sales in a few wks on the UK set,

The AUS set is still available at 1 internet site that ships out of AUS, but the list only 5 items in stock and a hefty shipping charge -- $37 AUD for a single item.

Sanity.com.au lists out of stock, available in 5-10 days though some major questions if that will happen. After the AUS Fathers Day 25% sale below ends, it will be interesting to see if stock mysteriously shows up for the first time in over 2 weeks.

JBHiFi has stock in their warehouse and stores, but appears to have blocked international shipping at least on most of their TV set during their 25% off ABC/BBC sale which ends Sept 5th. It will be interesting to see if they open shipping back up after the sale ends.

$70AUD + 8-12AUD shipping isn't a bad price though it would a lot better if they allowed the 52AUD sales price. Moreso if they refund the GST

[jimdigriz.]

If the BBC hope to continue this series long term they would be mad to delete the season 12 set now.
The most logical train of thought seems to be that as soon as the errors were known the BBC quickly withdrew remaining stock so as to ensure they didn't have to mail out replacements to thousands more people.
So that faulty stock still exists and all it needs is for the corrected discs to be added to the sets and for them to go on sale again.
The fact that retailers stopped selling it so quickly would indicate they were told to by the BBC.
So I think in a few weeks those people paying scalper prices will be kicking themselves when this item reappears on Amazon at £39.99 and in its Limited Edition packaging. Unless they sold all 10k copies in the first week - unlikely.
If it doesn't that means thousands of manufactured discs would be scrapped and it would also put a big dent in the already uncertain future viability of the Bluray reissues

[oddbox83]

No, it genuinely sold out. Stock wasn't recalled. Vastly underestimated demand, which to be fair I think it shocked everyone how popular it was.

I think everyone expected a standard edition in packaging more like the US release once this sold out, but they say no now. I think that's silly because there is clearly demand and it's not "Doctor Who The Collection" if you can only buy them on pre-order then nothing. A lot of people now saying they won't bother with season 19 because they won't be able to collect a complete collection. I'm definitely pre-ordering it, but I sympathise with those views. Looks like I'll have to stick to my (still excellent) DVDs of season 12. The US set is 60i so arguably the PAL DVDs are better quality in terms of original motion for UK buyers even if the 60i conversions improve upon NTSC DVDs.

There are some who work for the BBC who are very knowledgeable and know what they are doing. Others not so much.

If anything should be going OOP it's the DVDs, not the bells and whistles new box sets.

[2099net]

Take this with a pinch of salt, but Galaxy 4 seem to think it will be available again.

https://twitter.com/IanOTimelord/sta...30214514851849

Logically, it makes not sense for them not to re-release it in whatever packaging. Then again, you could say the same about the 50th anniversary boxset, and we never got that reissued.

[hariseldon]

Originally Posted by 2099net

Take this with a pinch of salt, but Galaxy 4 seem to think it will be available again.

https://twitter.com/IanOTimelord/sta...30214514851849

Logically, it makes not sense for them not to re-release it in whatever packaging. Then again, you could say the same about the 50th anniversary boxset, and we never got that reissued.

Except the 50th Anniversary in base packaging (and corrected disc) is still easily available from AUS and probably cheaper than the UK set was initially during certain sales. The issue with the 50th really applies only to those who demand only a UK release or who wanted the Deluxe packaging as basic as that turned out to be.

Now, I certainly agree that S12 is highly likely not gone for good and will make a return is some sort of clothing once the issues are fixed.

[2099net]

But surely we're talking about the BBC in the UK. It still makes no sense for them not to reissue the 50th set (in plain packaging). All the work's been done - including the replacement (D'oh).

You may as well say the BBC shouldn't release Jodie's first season on Blu-ray because it will be available in Australia and anyone who wants it will import it. Just release the DVD in the UK for the supermarkets and other mainstream stores and mass market sales, and let the fans who want HD import.

It makes no sense for the BBC not to release the 50th set in the UK while demand exists for it. True, maybe demand is slowly decreasing now as people do import, but its still there and most certainly was their two or three years ago.

[hariseldon]

Originally Posted by 2099net

But surely we're talking about the BBC in the UK. It still makes no sense for them not to reissue the 50th set (in plain packaging). All the work's been done - including the replacement (D'oh).

You may as well say the BBC shouldn't release Jodie's first season on Blu-ray because it will be available in Australia and anyone who wants it will import it. Just release the DVD in the UK for the supermarkets and other mainstream stores and mass market sales, and let the fans who want HD import.

It makes no sense for the BBC not to release the 50th set in the UK while demand exists for it. True, maybe demand is slowly decreasing now as people do import, but its still there and most certainly was their two or three years ago.

Not releasing something at all b/c it is available elsewhere is quite different than not re-releasing something at all. Certainly I agree it's not the best answer and BBC should re-release in it in the UK, but at least it was available at one point and people did have a chance to buy it whether they elected to or not.

OTOH -- people paying massive premiums just to get the UK set from the resellers vs ordering from AUS to basically get the same thing never made any sense. They're the same exact discs actually other than having the corrected disc included -- even has the UK logos on the discs. It's very much a similar situation in the US with many Disney sets.

In order of problematic:
1) The Vaulted are out of print here, but Region Free from the UK and far cheaper than they were even during original release. It's irritating, but easily surmountable. Most similar to the DW 50th Anniversary though slightly less so knowing that Disney will eventually re-release them someday.

2) Current Disney 3D which are not released in the US at all, though ordering the Region Free sets from UK or elsewhere is easy enough.

3) T2 3D doesn;t have a US release and are Region Locked pretty much everywhere other than the extremely limited edition Korean sets that sold out in 2-3 days. Surmountable if you ordered the $60 korean sets during the window or spend $100-200 on a Region Free setup

4) items that are OOP everywhere and only available at reseller premium

5) of course the worst -- (legally) insurmountable items like Pete's Dragon 3D which never got a release anywhere.

[jimdigriz.]

Originally Posted by oddbox83

No, it genuinely sold out. Stock wasn't recalled. Vastly underestimated demand, which to be fair I think it shocked everyone how popular it was.

I think everyone expected a standard edition in packaging more like the US release once this sold out, but they say no now. I think that's silly because there is clearly demand and it's not "Doctor Who The Collection" if you can only buy them on pre-order then nothing. A lot of people now saying they won't bother with season 19 because they won't be able to collect a complete collection. I'm definitely pre-ordering it, but I sympathise with those views. Looks like I'll have to stick to my (still excellent) DVDs of season 12. The US set is 60i so arguably the PAL DVDs are better quality in terms of original motion for UK buyers even if the 60i conversions improve upon NTSC DVDs.

There are some who work for the BBC who are very knowledgeable and know what they are doing. Others not so much.

If anything should be going OOP it's the DVDs, not the bells and whistles new box sets.

Maybe I was mistaken in what I read about the numbers but the notion this sold 10000 copies in a week seems unbelieveable.
Was the LE 10k copies?

[jimdigriz.]

Originally Posted by 2099net

Take this with a pinch of salt, but Galaxy 4 seem to think it will be available again.

https://twitter.com/IanOTimelord/sta...30214514851849

Logically, it makes not sense for them not to re-release it in whatever packaging. Then again, you could say the same about the 50th anniversary boxset, and we never got that reissued.

That seems logical and as Galaxy 4 are specialist Dr Who retailers you would think they would be the first to know about such things

[jimdigriz.]

Originally Posted by hariseldon

In order of problematic:
1) The Vaulted are out of print here, but Region Free from the UK and far cheaper than they were even during original release.

I might be misunderstanding your post but if you are referring to the 2 disc dvd Vault sets that Disney released then there are no UK releases for those and there are no Disney dvd's that are region free.

However, rare Disney titles have always been available cheaply via Ebay UK but they are region free bootlegs

[2099net]

Originally Posted by hariseldon

Not releasing something at all b/c it is available elsewhere is quite different than not re-releasing something at all. Certainly I agree it's not the best answer and BBC should re-release in it in the UK, but at least it was available at one point and people did have a chance to buy it whether they elected to or not.

Its not as simple as saying they had a chance. It was a relatively pricey set, and some of its audience were children with limited incomes. And I know adults who decided to "skip" the fancy packaging and buy it when it was "normal" for a presumed lower price. There's legitimate reasons for not buying it when it was available.

I'm just fed up of so many disc producers (including the BBC) complaining about falling sales - and then when they have a product people want - a rare success that exceeds projections - they don't let enough people buy a copy!

[hariseldon]

Originally Posted by jimdigriz.

I might be misunderstanding your post but if you are referring to the 2 disc dvd Vault sets that Disney released then there are no UK releases for those and there are no Disney dvd's that are region free.

However, rare Disney titles have always been available cheaply via Ebay UK but they are region free bootlegs

No -- I;m mainly referencing the US market where the 14 Disney titles in the Platinum/Diamond/Signature editions + Fantasia (DVD and now Blurays) that are released for various periods of time and then are pulled from Sale/allowed to go OOP ("put in the Disney Vault"). These are unavailable to buy in the US from normal retailers for years until it's re-released (or in the case of Lion King, BatB, TLM 3D, etc -- never released).

People will often Pay Large amts for US copies from resellers or go without RATHER than order cheap region free retail copies from overseas.

The OOP Disney Vault DVDs fall into the 4th Category on my list (though a little worse since we'd have to get by the PAL issues as well).

[Darby1985]

It'll be back in print, 100%. The margins for the classic series releases are so tight they'll rely on back-catalogue sales as well as pre-orders. I'm sure they'll have a release when the discs are fixed - maybe in the cheaper packaging.

[jimdigriz.]

Originally Posted by hariseldon

No -- I;m mainly referencing the US market where the 14 Disney titles in the Platinum/Diamond/Signature editions + Fantasia (DVD and now Blurays) that are released for various periods of time and then are pulled from Sale/allowed to go OOP ("put in the Disney Vault"). These are unavailable to buy in the US from normal retailers for years until it's re-released (or in the case of Lion King, BatB, TLM 3D, etc -- never released).

People will often Pay Large amts for US copies from resellers or go without RATHER than order cheap region free retail copies from overseas.

The OOP Disney Vault DVDs fall into the 4th Category on my list (though a little worse since we'd have to get by the PAL issues as well).

I think I'm not following you entirely here.

Beauty and the Beast 3D was released in the US (the animated version).

Ignoring the dvd movies that need but have never had a Bluray release I was under the impression that the old policy of allowing the crown jewel films to be available for a limited time then put away for a few years had ended. Here in the UK the classics don't ever seem to be deleted but rather annoyingly continually reissued with new slipcovers on both dvd and Bluray. Is this not the case in the US?

The region free DVD editions are all bootlegs so not worth buying anyway.

[hariseldon]

Originally Posted by jimdigriz.

I think I'm not following you entirely here.

Beauty and the Beast 3D was released in the US (the animated version).

Ignoring the dvd movies that need but have never had a Bluray release I was under the impression that the old policy of allowing the crown jewel films to be available for a limited time then put away for a few years had ended. Here in the UK the classics don't ever seem to be deleted but rather annoyingly continually reissued with new slipcovers on both dvd and Bluray. Is this not the case in the US?

The region free DVD editions are all bootlegs so not worth buying anyway.

I'll do my best to clarify

Region A Beauty and Beast Animated 3D was released in 2011 and went OOP in 2013 when it was put On Moratorium (Disney's term for planned OOP or "Put in the Vault"). When the new Signature animated disc was released in 2016 only the 2D was on the new set. Same with Lion King 3D and expected with Little Mermaid when it's released again someday. People still will refuse to buy the UK 3D Region Set for $12 shipped during the UK 2 for 18 sales and will pay $40-50 for the US set or complain about not being able to get it at all.

At least the 2D is available here (for now), but something like Fantasia has been Vaulted since 2011 after only being for sale for 4 month (Uk set is region Free and cheap, but people would rather pay $80 for the US set or Go without). In a sense these our equivalent to BBC not re-releasing Doctor Who 50th Anniversary.

The pattern of 'Vaulting' the 14 titles in rotation was thought to have ended a couple years ago after nothing was pulled for 2 years, but then it returned with a vengeance and up to 10 of the titles were off the market simultaneous at one point. Now they have been rereleasing the Signature Editions for the last 2 years (only 2D discs though), but 7/14 are currently unavailable (Aladdin, Little Mermaid, 101 Dalmatians, Jungle Book, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, and Fantasia).


Parallels: Doctor Who 50th Anniversary was on the UK market and sold out -- cheapest price I can find was £35 from Amazon when it was on sale.. The AUS discs are literally 100% identical to the UK set and the only difference is the Base Packaging vs the Acetate window package. As far as I can tell, it can be ordered from AUS for less than $50AUD during JBHiFi or Sanity sales (current Sanity would be £27 shipped plus whatever import fee), but it seems people would rather not order and prefer to keep hoping for BBC UK to change their mind.

It's an imperfect analogy since at least we know Disney will certainly re-release those titles at some point though when, whether some extras (and 3D disc) will be lost, and when they'll come out is never known. Currently we are waiting/hoping for Fantasia which has now been unavailable for 7.5 years and by far the longest current moratorium. Speculation is pretty high that it will be the Holiday/Xmas release this year. Fantasia has always released in Nov/Dec -- Laserdisc, DVD, and Bluray -- and usually by now we'd know what the Sept/Oct release should be.

[hariseldon]

FWIW -- my JBHiFi AUS package arrived yesterday (17 days AUS to US) and I'm really impressed with the packaging. I know it's not space efficient, but it's so damned cool looking I don't care. 10x nicer than the std US case set. Already have my preorder in for S19. other than the AUS Ratings logos on the J-card instead of UK logos, I can't tell any difference at all. As mentioned before, the discs are the same UK disc and even have the UK Ratings Logos.

It got even better when Customer Service aloowed me the price differential from my 69.98AUD order to match their sale price of $52.49AUD (sale now over). The VAT refund turned out closer to 14% which is odd with the 10% official VAT.

They shut down international shipping when their Fathers Day sale started so hopefully they'll allow orders again.


Now just have to hope Roadshow ships the replacement discs to the US like they indicated they would.

Originally Posted by jimdigriz.

Beauty and the Beast 3D was released in the US (the animated version).

Ignoring the dvd movies that need but have never had a Bluray release I was under the impression that the old policy of allowing the crown jewel films to be available for a limited time then put away for a few years had ended. Here in the UK the classics don't ever seem to be deleted but rather annoyingly continually reissued with new slipcovers on both dvd and Bluray. Is this not the case in the US?

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No, I'm talking about only the Blurays. BatB 3D was released as a Diamond Edition in 2011 and went OOP in ?2012. The Signature release in 2016 did not have a 3D option so the only US copies were very expensive which many people paid $50-100 instead of buying the $10-12 region free UK versions. Only the US/Canada seem to deal with the Vault/Moratorium process and that hasn't affected Europe since advent of Home Video releases or at least Bluray -- did VHS or DVD go through that process in the UK?

The process of Moratorium/Vaulting the 14 Rotation Titles stopped for a couple years and most people thought it was finished, but Disney restarted in 2016 when they pulled Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty, Little mermaid, 101 Dalmatians, and Jungle Book within a few months and Aladdin a few months later. At one point 10 of the 14 rotation titles were OOP at one time though it's down to 7 currently. All the Diamond Edition titles are now OOP and only the 7 Signature Editions are for sale. Again there is some question how long those will stay in print. Snow White releases Jan 2016 and Beauty and the Beast in Sept 2016 -- by historical patterns should have been pulled after 24 months, but so far nothing has been announced about them "going away forever."

[larrythefatcat]

Originally Posted by jimdigriz.

I think I'm not following you entirely here.

Beauty and the Beast 3D was released in the US (the animated version).

Ignoring the dvd movies that need but have never had a Bluray release I was under the impression that the old policy of allowing the crown jewel films to be available for a limited time then put away for a few years had ended. Here in the UK the classics don't ever seem to be deleted but rather annoyingly continually reissued with new slipcovers on both dvd and Bluray. Is this not the case in the US?

The region free DVD editions are all bootlegs so not worth buying anyway.

The Lion King and The Little Mermaid were also released on Blu-ray 3D... I have no idea what that person is talking about.

[Sifox211]

I really hope they re-release season 12 in normal packaging. I was on the fence about the LE and then missed the boat; but I remember the fancy Tardis box packaging for the first Eccleston series on DVD which rapidly deteriorated - boards warping and the plastic disk holders all coming off. Normally I'm a sucker for fancy packaging but when I heard reports about this new set having similar issues it put me right off.

[Darby1985]

Originally Posted by Sifox211

I really hope they re-release season 12 in normal packaging. I was on the fence about the LE and then missed the boat; but I remember the fancy Tardis box packaging for the first Eccleston series on DVD which rapidly deteriorated - boards warping and the plastic disk holders all coming off. Normally I'm a sucker for fancy packaging but when I heard reports about this new set having similar issues it put me right off.

The LE set is 100 times sturdier than the Eccleston TARDIS debacle.

[hariseldon]

Originally Posted by larrythefatcat

The Lion King and The Little Mermaid were also released on Blu-ray 3D... I have no idea what that person is talking about.

I didn't say said they were never released, but they were Vaulted/OOP/Pulled from the market after approx 18 month in the US. My point was people in the US would still rather pay $50-70 for the US copies off Ebay rather that buy a $10 copy from UK.

It appears to be a similar for the UK copies of DW 50th Anniversary.


The Vaulting Procedure for the Disney 14 in the US halted for a couple years, but restarted in 2016 and is an ongoing issue here.