Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Yes, I'll stop buying new games. I will continue to play the games that are already on physical media.

You and others like you are causing that to happen sooner. You obviously have a problem with people causing that to happen to movies; you're constantly blaming digital supporters for the downfall of the movie industry. But you're part of the problem when it comes to video games.



Those are all digital tools, not digital art. Maps, websites, phones, and tablets are all replaceable with functional equivalents if any individual company stops supporting their product. No companies have control over any digital tools because any other company can make another digital tool that works the same way.



I'm applying it to all forms of art.

You can apply it to what you like. By your reckoning, we should all stop watching movies because they are presented digitally now. They are edited digitally and colour corrected digitally. So, are you going to stop going to the cinema?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by brap hawg

Not necessarily the same quality wise when you look at the entire package. The few games that I have paid for are physical copies with the game on disc that don't require me to go through some scum "service" like Steam, I install from disc and that is it, no Steam required. I only play on PC and have never and will never give money to Steam, Uplay, Origin, battle.net, GOG, etc.
Digitally distributed games and people that pay for it have lowered the quality of gaming, especially on PC. The developers, publishers, and platforms love it since on top of lowering costs since they don't have to give you anything in return for your money anymore, it has created the perfect environment for disgusting business tactics such as lots of easy DLC, micro transactions, early access aka paying to test a game when devs used to have to pay people to test their game, intentionally releasing unfinished/buggy games to the point of being unplayable since they can just be easily patched later, doesn't leave a sour taste in your mouth for paying for a game that is unfinished/buggy to the point of being unplayable since it is so easy to update, games as a service which digital distribution inherently is, not being able to sell it, making games even more popular from easy access to people who otherwise wouldn't play or play as much thus making them a huge market which makes companies make games focused on them instead, lowered the barrier for entry, etc
People have double standards when it comes to video games and always give the video game companies a pass that they don't give to anyone else.

Yeah, I meant graphics wise. Mobile games have had more of a impact on the industry than anything else.

As for your bugs/patches question? I have been a gamer all my life and I played MANY games that had game breaking bugs. The very earliest games such as E.T for the Atari was pretty much (imo) one big bug fest and pretty much unfinished. If anything, patches are a good thing.

Finally, two of the greatest games I have ever played (GTA 5 and RE VR) have come around in the last few years so I can’t argue about modern games. GTA online is delightful also..

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

As long as they are distributed physically, I don't care what they do before that. And I don't go to the theater, I only watch movies on physical media.

They have been digitally colour graded though. See how your theory doesn’t work? You can’t possibly take it to the levels you are without coming unstuck.

You just need to accept my views, the same way I accept yours about rights to owned property. Not sure why you are constantly trying to (imo) discredit me for something I believe in.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

My concern is about studios and publishers being able to prevent access to individual works of art in the future. How they edit each work of art before releasing it to the public has absolutely no effect on that.

Let's stop using the term digital. I don't support downloads or streaming of any art form. Is that clear?

Yes, and what I’m saying is I respect those views. Why can’t you do the same?

It is clear, but you brought it up. The ‘art’ you referred to is mastered digitally and edited digitally, so you buy those films and therefore you are supporting digital film as opposed to analogue film. By your standards, shouldn’t you have stopped buying films that aren’t analogue?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

You obviously believe that support of digitally distributed movies will have disastrous consequences for the movie industry. Is it so hard to believe that support of digitally distributed video games will also have negative consequences for the video game industry?



I don't care about digital vs analogue. Film and digital cameras are both fine artistic choices.

I care about digital distribution (downloads and streaming) vs physical distribution (discs and cartridges). I thought it was pretty clear that was the topic of this entire thread.

It was, but you started making silly claims.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

My concern is about studios and publishers being able to prevent access to individual works of art in the future. How they edit each work of art before releasing it to the public has absolutely no effect on that.

Let's stop using the term digital. I don't support downloads or streaming of any art form. Is that clear?

It's their art. It's their product. You aren't entitled to it should it go OOP.

A shit ton of games are online-only and servers shut down when people stop playing. There's no purpose in owning physical copies of games that rely on a vast amount of people to play them.

Calling people jerks because you have some issue or hang up with digital is going beyond being a physical media advocate and instead into a bully.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Purchased Cat People and Emerald Forest on BD, both had better PQ than DVD, digital version was better as well. But they screwed the pouch on the sound track for the BD and digital, both titles are essentially mono. The DVD versions appear to have the original Dolby Stereo tracks and sound quite good, considering time period, using DPLII decoding.

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

If you don't mind the sound track being mono and the video being a wax look (too much DNR) then you should be happy the digital version. Will keep the DVD till a proper BD is done (Criterion Collection or Twilight Time).

I'm assuming you're referring to the early 1980's version of Cat People?
The original RKO Pictures (1942) version is on Criterion, which I've ordered myself as they have issued this on Region B as well as Region A.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by CV19

I'm assuming you're referring to the early 1980's version of Cat People?
The original RKO Pictures (1942) version is on Criterion, which I've ordered myself as they have issued this on Region B as well as Region A.

Cracking film CV.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I don't support those games in any form. I use to play online games when they were playable without connecting to any central servers but when that stopped I stopped playing online games. If a game can't be played without continuing support from its publishers then I will never play it all.

You are missing out on some belters.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

I don't support those games in any form. I use to play online games when they were playable without connecting to any central servers but when that stopped I stopped playing online games. If a game can't be played without continuing support from its publishers then I will never play it all.

Exciting way to live your life. You expect more from gaming companies and movie distributors than most of us get out of our health insurance.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

No product is going to make me compromise my principles, no matter how good it is.

Nor should it. I feel the same way about home cinema. I just don’t see the issue with games as pixel to pixel the quality is identical. Also, i love special packaging, booklets, artwork on Blu-ray disc but games, I don’t really care.

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Cracking film CV.

Cheers mate. I look forward to it as I haven't seen this in years, and only stumbled across it literally by accident when looking through the Criterion website.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by CV19

Cheers mate. I look forward to it as I haven't seen this in years, and only stumbled across it literally by accident when looking through the Criterion website.

Am I right in thinking the sequel is Not available on region b?

[CV19]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Am I right in thinking the sequel is Not available on region b?

Yes, I think the current Blu-ray for it is Region A locked, but it isn't a Criterion release. Seeing as the sequel is also an RKO film, I'm hoping Criterion will eventually release this in the UK.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by CV19

Yes, I think the current Blu-ray for it is Region A locked, but it isn't a Criterion release. Seeing as the sequel is also an RKO film, I'm hoping Criterion will eventually release this in the UK.

I would pounce if that’s the case (no pun intended)

[Groot]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

Quite a few people in this thread are from Europe, they have universal health care. That's something else I wholeheartedly support (far more than physical media).

Ideally the same could apply to movies and video games: taxes that fund the continued availability of all works of art (in digital form). But I don't think that's a realistic goal so I'll continue to support physical media instead.

Wow...it's almost 6am and I burst out laughing and my cats are looking at me like I'm as crazy as this post.

[Groot]

Originally Posted by PenguinInfinity

That response obviously makes my point about it being an unrealistic goal.

Yeah, that was the point of it.

You do realize you're gonna die one day right? The value you put on things is very...odd. $60 video game that gives you hundreds of hours of entertainment doesn't work in 5 years... oh noes, my principles won't let me enjoy an online community and amazing game because I won't have access to it until I'm in a nursing home.

My $60 steak dinner is gonna last me a solid 8 hours before I'm hungry again.

[Vilya]

I stumbled across a post someone made about The Emerald Forest blu-ray posted three years ago where they claim "physical media is dying."

Another arm chair Nostradamus that was wrong then and most likely continues to be wrong now. I wish these clairvoyants would offer us a specific prediction already; when exactly does disc die? I'll even settle for just the year this is supposed to happen; I don't want them to overheat their brains by tasking them with too hard of a task.

[The_Donster]

CRAP! Don’t make me jump to Steedeel’s defense PenguinInfinity

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by CV19

I'm assuming you're referring to the early 1980's version of Cat People?

That is correct, I should have said Cat People 1982.