Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[doctor_who]

Originally Posted by TheProf89

Not really. By the time you turn on your tv and start scrolling through all those movie covers I can have stood up and put my blu ray in the player and pressed play.

Seriously though, how lazy have we got as a society when putting a disc in a player is too much work???

That digital collection isn't yours. you are just renting it. If something ever happened to the cloud or the company, if rights are lost you are SOL.

I always snicker a bit when people say they have a large collection of movies and then find out it's just digital.

Wrong. It's safer than any physical collection. I have both by the way.

[TheProf89]

Originally Posted by doctor_who

Wrong. It's safer than any physical collection. I have both by the way.

How is it safer?
Ask people who bought 1984 on their Kindle about how safe it is.

It not only isn't safer, you don't own anything. With your physical copies, you own them. The musician isn't going to come to your house and take your film because they no longer have a rights agreement in place.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Young people definitely use Mobile Devices more, and Twitter is betting on this option. So it would seem the trend would skew in this direction, but Home Theater is also growing and people are not going to Cinema any longer. So these young people as they get older will want their own Home Theater, and they will want their Movies now.....Hence Digital! No more Cinema, First Run Movies straight to your Home Theater....So Steedeel save your pennies you will need Fiber!

I have fibre. Everything i warned about is coming true. Next stop, movies and tv on a smartwatch. Mark my words.

[Smackos]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I have fibre. Everything i warned about is coming true. Next stop, movies and tv on a smartwatch. Mark my words.

That's been done already mate.. The sky is falling... We're doomed..

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/65...smartwatch.htm

[Krizzle1]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

I browse my collection by looking at covers on Blu-ray.com but you're probably unfamiliar with that site.

W...what is this site you speak of?? And how can I access it?

I see this everywhere, "why cant people get up and put in a disc, has everyone become lazy?" Its convenient, if you can make your life a little bit more convenient...why not? Its like saying why use your TV remote to the change the channel when you can get up and press the buttons on the TV (i know they dont make those TV's anymore but you get the idea)

I understand we 'rent' our movies in the cloud and its not available forever, which is why I download and backup select titles in case anything does happen

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Smackos

That's been done already mate.. The sky is falling... We're doomed..

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/65...smartwatch.htm

All the evidence is there. NFL is a big deal. It's the equivalent of English football (The Premier League being watched on mobiles (which will come). When my age group and older die out , so does the home cinema (big screen tv) no amount of mocking and Chicken little comments will change that. People can't see It but they will. Both can thrive, not if a younger section of people don't buy into it. They won't move to big screens hen they are married with kids, this is the new order now. I just hope and pray that the tv set wil last out.

[Smackos]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

All the evidence is there. NFL is a big deal. It's the equivalent of English football (The Premier League being watched on mobiles (which will come). When my age group and older die out , so does the home cinema (big screen tv) no amount of mocking and Chicken little comments will change that. People can't see It but they will. Both can thrive, not if a younger section of people don't buy into it. They won't move to big screens hen they are married with kids, this is the new order now. I just hope and pray that the tv set wil last out.

Ha! And yet the vast majority of people don't watch movies via a Projector setup, whilst I can still go out as a minority and purchase one. If there's a market for something, then there'll be someone willing to sell to it. I don't CARE if every other person on the planet even turned to watching all their content via a "mobile device", why that stop me from watching the same content via a tv or pj???

My next door neighbours don't sit and watch via a 116" PJ screen, but that isn't stopping MY enjoyment of what I'm watching.

Oh, don't forget you already can watch premier league football via Sky Go and Bt Sport on mobile devices. Infact you've been able to for years.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Smackos

Ha! And yet the vast majority of people don't watch movies via a Projector setup, whilst I can still go out as a minority and purchase one. If there's a market for something, then there'll be someone willing to sell to it. I don't CARE if every other person on the planet even turned to watching all their content via a "mobile device", why that stop me from watching the same content via a tv or pj???

My next door neighbours don't sit and watch via a 116" PJ screen, but that isn't stopping MY enjoyment of what I'm watching.

Oh, don't forget you already can watch premier league football via Sky Go and Bt Sport on mobile devices. Infact you've been able to for years.

Yes but I mean as the main way to watch sport. People have argued that nobody will want to watch sports on a mobile screen. I give you Twitter's deal with NFL.
By the way, the less people do something, the greater chance of obsoletion. Where would we get our tv or projector in your scenario? Where would the source material come from for a high quality viewing experience. Do you think enough people will still want movies on a large screen once the 45-70 age group die out?

Finally, you sound like a good guy. I swear to god this is a genuine concern of mine, something that as a film fanatic, causes huge panic within me to think of a mobile only future. (Apart from that I am quite normal lol)

[Smackos]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yes but I mean as the main way to watch sport. People have argued that nobody will want to watch sports on a mobile screen. I give you Twitter's deal with NFL.
By the way, the less people do something, the greater chance of obsoletion. Where would we get our tv or projector? Where would the source material come from? Do you think enough people will still want movies on a large screen once the 45-70 age group die out?

Finally, you sound like a good guy. I swear to god this is a genuine concern of mine, something that as a film fanatic, causes huge panic to think of a mobile only future.

Twitters Deal is a sideshow to the actual deal itself. They haven't rolled in with exclusive full coverage rights to show it, that part of the deal still remains with the networks themselves as usual. Shock.. People still enjoy watching sport in the company of others. I somehow don't see Sports Bars up and down the country removing their big screens and giving people just a bunch of tablets to watch the game on instead.

If there's a market for the absolute niche of the likes of kaleidescape then I fail to see why even only 1% of the adult market still wanted a tv in the home that I wouldn't be able to buy one.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

I'm trying to make sense of this statement. Why can't you watch Blu-rays often?

You can, and I use to watch my Blu-rays often but most people don't, especially if they have a large collection. Most people once is enough, very few people watch a Movie a second time. I know many people that buy a Blu-ray, and don't even take it out of the shrink wrap. The biggest deterrent I had was all the Junk, disclaimers, Pre-Views, and what ever else they wanted to put before the Movie started. I use to Back-up my Blu-rays and take all that Junk off. So with HDX you get right into the Movie, no Junk. You can also stop the Movie and come back to it anytime. I watch a Movie every night, and also parts of others.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Krizzle1

I understand we 'rent' our movies in the cloud and its not available forever, which is why I download and backup select titles in case anything does happen

All of the downloads on iTunes, Amazon, VUDU, etc. have DRM so the backups will only work on authorized devices. Plus even if you made a DRM-free backup since the studios control all distribution a delisted title can't be replaced.

If a physical copy breaks I can buy a used copy from someone else, even if the title is out of print. I don't need a backup to ensure a title remains available because thousands of other people still have copies that I can buy if my copy breaks.

For most titles that are only available digitally within a few decades they will be unavailable to everyone. With physical titles the used market will ensure that they remain available long after the studios have dropped all support.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

You can, and I use to watch my Blu-rays often but most people don't, especially if they have a large collection. Most people once is enough, very few people watch a Movie a second time. I know many people that buy a Blu-ray, and don't even take it out of the shrink wrap. The biggest deterrent I had was all the Junk, disclaimers, Pre-Views, and what ever else they wanted to put before the Movie started. I use to Back-up my Blu-rays and take all that Junk off. So with HDX you get right into the Movie, no Junk. You can also stop the Movie and come back to it anytime. I watch a Movie every night, and also parts of others.

That is simply not true. People with kids have probably seen frozen, The Lion King, Aladdin several times for a start. Many people watch SW yearly, same for select horror movies. Halloween, The Shining, Friday the 13th etc.. They all come out once a year. I alone have watched Dawn Of The Planet Of The Apes twice this year. My mother has watched Mama Mia three times this year. My sister has watched Bridesmaids twice and she doesn't even bother with movies much. Many folk will be watching BVS several times on bluray.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

That is simply not true. People with kids have probably seen frozen, The Lion King, Aladdin several times for a start. Many people watch SW yearly, same for select horror movies. Halloween, The Shining, Friday the 13th etc.. They all come out once a year. I alone have watched Dawn Of The Planet Of The Apes twice this year. My mother has watched Mama Mia three times this year. My sister has watched Bridesmaids twice and she doesn't even bother with movies much. Many folk will be watching BVS several times on bluray.

Yes, you talk about a lot of Classic Movies, then of course kids like Animated Movies. I remember growing up, watching King Kong, and that was with Fay Wray all Summer Long. So yes, Classics and some favorites people will watch over and over, but for the most part once is enough. Also I guess here on this Board with all the Movie Lovers, we are an exception most of us watch Movies all the time. I guess BVS is Batman Vs. Superman...Right?

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yes, you talk about a lot of Classic Movies, then of course kids like Animated Movies. I remember growing up, watching King Kong, and that was with Fay Wray all Summer Long. So yes, Classics and some favorites people will watch over and over, but for the most part once is enough. Also I guess here on this Board with all the Movie Lovers, we are an exception most of us watch Movies all the time. I guess BVS is Batman Vs. Superman...Right?

There are people who watch movies many times. There are also people who watch movies only once. Whether the movies are in physical or digital form is not a deciding factor for either type of person.

[Krizzle1]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

All of the downloads on iTunes, Amazon, VUDU, etc. have DRM so the backups will only work on authorized devices. Plus even if you made a DRM-free backup since the studios control all distribution a delisted title can't be replaced.

If a physical copy breaks I can buy a used copy from someone else, even if the title is out of print. I don't need a backup to ensure a title remains available because thousands of other people still have copies that I can buy if my copy breaks.

For most titles that are only available digitally within a few decades they will be unavailable to everyone. With physical titles the used market will ensure that they remain available long after the studios have dropped all support.

If a purchased movie gets removed from iTunes im pretty sure you can still access it from your Purchase History list

I get what you're saying, there's definitely some advantages to Bluray, maybe one day i'll 'upgrade' my collection to physical. I just dont want to pay twice for my digital collection to get the physical copy :/

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

There are people who watch movies many times. There are also people who watch movies only once. Whether the movies are in physical or digital form is not a deciding factor for either type of person.

I beg to differ, Digital is easier and very versatile. I know with a Disc you can flip it into your Player fairly easy, but not as easy as accessing it from your Streaming Provider. All your Collection is available only by a few clicks, and you can have several Movies partially watched and ready for viewing at the last location left.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I beg to differ, Digital is easier and very versatile. I know with a Disc you can flip it into your Player fairly easy, but not as easy as accessing it from your Streaming Provider. All your Collection is available only by a few clicks, and you can have several Movies partially watched and ready for viewing at the last location left.

But what does any of that have to do with watching a movie once versus watching it multiple times? You make it sound like most people who watch movies on Blu-ray only watch movies once, but most people who watch movies digitally watch movies multiple times. I just don't see the logic: the minor inconveniences of Blu-ray are the same whether you are watching a movie once or many times. Why would someone be fine with the minor inconveniences of Blu-ray for the first watch of a movie, but be bothered by them when rewatching?

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

But what does any of that have to do with watching a movie once versus watching it multiple times? You make it sound like most people who watch movies on Blu-ray only watch movies once, but most people who watch movies digitally watch movies multiple times. I just don't see the logic: the minor inconveniences of Blu-ray are the same whether you are watching a movie once or many times. Why would someone be fine with the minor inconveniences of Blu-ray for the first watch of a movie, but be bothered by them when rewatching?

Well you are right, I only go by my personal experience and talking to people in general. Sure recent Movies that I would buy are there close to put into the Player, but older ones I would have to look through and it would take me a while to decide on which one to see. I found myself recording Movies that I had on the DVR rather than pull out my Blu-ray or DVD. Then I didn't want to sit through all the garbage at the beginning of those Discs. This was the same thing that the people told me that I talked too. I have both Physical and Digital, but now I prefer Digital HDX more.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I beg to differ, Digital is easier and very versatile. I know with a Disc you can flip it into your Player fairly easy, but not as easy as accessing it from your Streaming Provider. All your Collection is available only by a few clicks, and you can have several Movies partially watched and ready for viewing at the last location left.

The fact that a stream could drop quality is reason alone for not touching it.

Also, as is well documented, I think Digital means a future of smartphone film watching, I really do. It's started with sport (the NFL Twitter deal) that is a lot bigger than some realise. Movies will go the same way. Once you have younger people not buying a tv the market can only go down.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I beg to differ, Digital is easier and very versatile. I know with a Disc you can flip it into your Player fairly easy, but not as easy as accessing it from your Streaming Provider. All your Collection is available only by a few clicks, and you can have several Movies partially watched and ready for viewing at the last location left.

I don't do the partially watched thing lol. If I am in, I am in for the long haul.