Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[rui no onna]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I grew up in L.A., and like you said it depends on where you live but AT&T must have some areas with GigaPower. So if your area is not getting it, maybe it's time to move out of The Dark Ages!

Meh, I live 5 minutes from work. I'm not moving farther just so I can get faster internet. Maybe when I'm retired in 30 years.

I reckon ISPs have a harder time upgrading their lines and infrastructure here due to population density (need to get permits to do all that construction). I'm guessing areas in LA that have gigabit are bound to be just too expensive (like $$ millions expensive).

I do get 100Mbps so it's not so bad although I do sometimes envy folks who live 40+ miles away getting 300-500Mbps FiOS paying the same or less than what I'm paying for my internet.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Well you guys in Ireland and the UK don't have access to the top Streaming Providers like Vudu, and also lump Streaming with Downloads. A Fiber Infrastructure with GigaBit Speeds is becoming the way of Progressive Cities here in The States. So with enough Bandwidth, and Direct Access to your Providers' Servers the Seamless Video Quality of Digital HD is matching Blu-ray and UHD Discs with no problem.

Another problem with your future is that is not the way the industry is going. They seem convinced that mobile is the future (as discussed in my thread)

At least I can hang on to my projector and buy a new tv in a couple of years and I can still enjoy my collection for a decade or so. After that, I fear films, big screen tv and tv shows will be gone, replaced by short form, social tv sites with 5 minute (if that) videos. I think AT&T top wigs said something like 'we skate to where the puck is, and that's mobile'

Never been more depressed about the future for home cinema.

[Steedeel]

Oh, by the way, did you know fibre is no longer the future? Apparently, (afaik) the likes of Verizon, Google etc.. Have scrapped further plans and instead are investing in 5g. There you have it. Along with AT&T see a wireless network as the future. Like I said, mobile is the focus now. Everyone who has jumped aboard the digital (streaming) train is contributing to the future demise of the home cinema. Well done guys.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Oh, by the way, did you know fibre is no longer the future? Apparently, (afaik) the likes of Verizon, Google etc.. Have scrapped further plans and instead are investing in 5g. There you have it. Along with AT&T see a wireless network as the future. Like I said, mobile is the focus now. Everyone who has jumped aboard the digital (streaming) train is contributing to the future demise of the home cinema. Well done guys.

Steedeel, you know a lot but not everything, Wireless is making money right now but the Market is getting saturated. You're also right, AT&T, Verizon, and Google have stopped deployment of their Fiber because of cost. Wireless is great for Phones and Mobile Devices, but a Fiber Infrastructure is needed for the vast amount of Data that has to be Moved and Stored. The Bandwidth will never be there with Wireless, Fiber is needed for Business and Residents. Progressive Cities are finding this out, and will seek Companies to deploy Fiber. Like I said, Fiber is the Future or fall into The Dark Ages!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Steedeel, you know a lot but not everything, Wireless is making money right now but the Market is getting saturated. You're also right, AT&T, Verizon, and Google have stopped deployment of their Fiber because of cost. Wireless is great for Phones and Mobile Devices, but a Fiber Infrastructure is needed for the vast amount of Data that has to be Moved and Stored. The Bandwidth will never be there with Wireless, Fiber is needed for Business and Residents. Progressive Cities are finding this out, and will seek Companies to deploy Fiber. Like I said, Fiber is the Future or fall into The Dark Ages!

But not FTTP. How can it be the future when only certain people will ever receive it? 5g is the target now, if we like it or not. Like I said, Google are investing.

[xanderville]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Oh, by the way, did you know fibre is no longer the future? Apparently, (afaik) the likes of Verizon, Google etc.. Have scrapped further plans and instead are investing in 5g. There you have it. Along with AT&T see a wireless network as the future. Like I said, mobile is the focus now. Everyone who has jumped aboard the digital (streaming) train is contributing to the future demise of the home cinema. Well done guys.

I respect your side of this debate (though I respectfully disagree with you) but these kind of comments have no place in a debate. It only weakens your view to those who do not see you view. It shows desperation in you effort to convince others to your side.

So why cant 5G still be used for home use? For Set-top boxes, Apple TVs, Chromecasts, Rokus? I know it is still represents digital but it can still be watched on the larger TVs. There may be a shift to focus on mobile but IMO I highly doubt that is the only focus of these corporations

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Steedeel, you know a lot but not everything, Wireless is making money right now but the Market is getting saturated. You're also right, AT&T, Verizon, and Google have stopped deployment of their Fiber because of cost. Wireless is great for Phones and Mobile Devices, but a Fiber Infrastructure is needed for the vast amount of Data that has to be Moved and Stored. The Bandwidth will never be there with Wireless, Fiber is needed for Business and Residents. Progressive Cities are finding this out, and will seek Companies to deploy Fiber. Like I said, Fiber is the Future or fall into The Dark Ages!

Originally Posted by Steedeel

But not FTTP. How can it be the future when only certain people will ever receive it? 5g is the target now, if we like it or not. Like I said, Google are investing.

Like I said, a good balance is needed between Wireless and Wired. 5g does seem like the way to go, and in some areas it's the best Technology but the Bandwidth is Fiber. Progressive Cities will see this, and implement FTTP to most Business and Residents, while the rest will get 5g only. Home Cinema is growing, and with 4K+ Video massive amounts of Bandwidth will be needed which Fiber can only achieve.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Like I said, a good balance is needed between Wireless and Wired. 5g does seem like the way to go, and in some areas it's the best Technology but the Bandwidth is Fiber. Progressive Cities will see this, and implement FTTP to most Business and Residents, while the rest will get 5g only. Home Cinema is growing, and with 4K+ Video massive amounts of Bandwidth will be needed which Fiber can only achieve.

But will it be needed? Your assumption is that the current disinterest in big screens and movies from Millenials won't accelerate.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by xanderville

I respect your side of this debate (though I respectfully disagree with you) but these kind of comments have no place in a debate. It only weakens your view to those who do not see you view. It shows desperation in you effort to convince others to your side.

So why cant 5G still be used for home use? For Set-top boxes, Apple TVs, Chromecasts, Rokus? I know it is still represents digital but it can still be watched on the larger TVs. There may be a shift to focus on mobile but IMO I highly doubt that is the only focus of these corporations

It's kind of how I feel though. I am so certain this is how it is heading. I do get too passionate I admit.

Thanks for your comments.

[dublinbluray108]

There are some interesting figures published from Ofcom in the UK, which were highlighted in a report from tonight's ITV News at Ten, that looked at viewing habits of people who had watched traditional TV over services like Netflix & Amazon Prime.

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-11-01/n...80th-birthday/

The findings were contained in a report reporting on the latest TV series from Netflix called The Crown. It is regarded as one of Netflix's current big budget shows with each episode being made at a cost of £5 million each.

The report said, in terms of most homes being connected to broadband in the UK, that 80% of Adults aged 16+ watched TV shows either via Live or Recorded TV on traditional TV sets compared to On Demand/Streaming which accounted for only 15%. These figures suggest that Netflix & Amazon have not hurt the rate of TV consumption of people living in the UK to other broadcasters like the BBC, ITV or Sky.

There are instances that many people who watch live there record their own programmes on a PVR setup or watch it live at that moment it's scheduled. People who use PVR's would make their recordings or watch it live through various platforms like Freeview, Freesat, Youview, BT TV, Virgin Media (Pay TV Cable) & Sky (Pay TV Satellite).

The main reason as to why people living in the UK do this regularly is that broadband infrastructure is good for what it provides already but it is nowhere near fast enough in a lot of areas to provide seamless reception of Netflix or Amazon Prime to potential customers.

Other than that OFCOM/BARB Figures suggest that 5 million people with a broadband connection in the UK are customers with Netflix.

[Steedeel]

Yes I saw it, gives me hope.

[mikeinvegas7]

I support both physical and digital, but right now, 2nd and 3rd generation AppleTV's are experiencing some kind of glitch where the apps have completely disappeared from the home menu. I thought it was just mine, but it seems to be a widespread problem.

It's been going on for roughly 24 hours. Yes, first world problems and if not for my iPad as another way to watch, I'd be SOL right now.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by mikeinvegas7

I support both physical and digital, but right now, 2nd and 3rd generation AppleTV's are experiencing some kind of glitch where the apps have completely disappeared from the home menu. I thought it was just mine, but it seems to be a widespread problem.

It's been going on for roughly 24 hours. Yes, first world problems and if not for my iPad as another way to watch, I'd be SOL right now.

I would never depend on Apple for anything, so now I know the reason why!

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I would never depend on Apple for anything, so now I know the reason why!

Apple fan here!

Can't wait until that studio all in one is on my desk!

[master gandhi]

Originally Posted by alchav21

I would never depend on Apple for anything, so now I know the reason why!

You never knew why you disliked them before now?

Big Apple fan here. Yes, there's occasional glitches with the servers, but the products are reliable in my experience and they handle much of their business with an attention to quality IMO. Way more than most companies.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

You never knew why you disliked them before now?

Big Apple fan here. Yes, there's occasional glitches with the servers, but the products are reliable in my experience and they handle much of their business with an attention to quality IMO. Way more than most companies.

I love my MacBook and iPad. Been a fan of Apple for many years. My major bug bear is Siri which I think is a piece of shit. Google/Android have Apple we'll beat there but every thing else is Apple.

[Leslie Dame]

My signature pretty much sums up where I'm at..

[BMox81]

I think I've settled into a comfy life using the two in harmony.

Happy to watch the iTunes versions if we want to pop on a film on a whim, but when it's time to watch a film like Civil War, the disc comes out to be watched in all it's glory.

[alchav21]

Originally Posted by Sugnid

I think I've settled into a comfy life using the two in harmony.

Happy to watch the iTunes versions if we want to pop on a film on a whim, but when it's time to watch a film like Civil War, the disc comes out to be watched in all it's glory.

Yes with iTunes your Streaming Quality is not that good, if you had Vudu HDX then watching Civil War in all it's glory could be accomplished with a good set up and enough Bandwidth.

[Jumpman]

Originally Posted by alchav21

Yes with iTunes your Streaming Quality is not that good, if you had Vudu HDX then watching Civil War in all it's glory could be accomplished with a good set up and enough Bandwidth.

Disagree with that.