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Old 01-06-2011, 07:03 PM   #21
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Hmmm...it seems you feel the cutoff is around 70 inches for a TV display...I suppose that makes sense in terms of quality...
70 inch is what I have now and I don't want to go any smaller. I would love to have the Mits 92 in if it had as good as PQ as my XBR2, and the Mitsubishi's can't be beat on a price for size basis. Unfortunately, my prediction is that the 72" LG LZ9700 is going to be the superior set, and rumor has it that the price is in the neighborhood of 10 G's.
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70 inch is what I have now and I don't want to go any smaller. I would love to have the Mits 92 in if it had as good as PQ as my XBR2, and the Mitsubishi's can't be beat on a price for size basis. Unfortunately, my prediction is that the 72" LG LZ9700 is going to be the superior set, and rumor has it that the price is in the neighborhood of 10 G's.
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I have had a 57 in. Mitsubishi DLP for about 4 years now. I like my tv but, I couldn't see myself buying another rear projection again. Replacing the bulb every 14-18 months sucks. Next time I'm going LED or Plasma.
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I thought my 55' was big the 92' must be huge.
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Why can't Mitsubishi make something new?!?! It would be badass if they made LEDs and Plasmas that are 92 inches or higher.
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Too bad no big retailers carry Mitsubishi, and I'm talking like Best Buy or Sears et al... I'd love to see one of these in person. Problem is no one carries Mitsubishi except online retailers, and you can't see that in person. I wonder if the speaker system on that Mitsubishi is just 5.1 dolby digital or is it upgraded and will play DTS HD and Dolby TrueHD.
not true. I bought mine in town from a authorized dealer. We actually have two dealers here in this small town.
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don't forget 6th Ave sells Mitsu tv's, plus they have a room just for Mitsu. the 82in looks awesome but don't hav the room. but a 92in OMG!!! it's also a couple places in NJ that sells Mitsu i'll b gettin one soon but only a 65in.
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I would have to see it before judging it, but bigger is not always better. My nephew has the Mitsubishi 82" DLP and the PQ leaves alot to be desired. I would be more interested in seeing the upcoming 72" LG LZ9700 LED, 71" Vizio, 70" Sharp Quattron, or one of the 70+" Samsungs that are rumored to be at CES.

I have the 82 inch and it wasn't an easy decision because there was almost no where to see one, and due to quickly made comments on different boards that were dissuading me, it was a tougher decision. . Negative comments are sometimes useful, I agree, but I had a dilemma. I had a 65 inch rear projection CRT and didn't want to go smaller. I was all set to buy the Vizio 72 inch 3D set for $3500 until they dropped it and replaced it with a somewhat lesser model, and also with passive glasses which I didn't think would be quite as good as the shutter glasses from what I've read. But to be honest, I wasn't really happy with 65 inches. At the same time, I didn't want a bad picture quality, nor did I want a dim looking washed out set. So I went to one of the only local stores that carried the 82 inch and 73 inch DLP's and they looked great, but not quite as bright as other TV's in the store. Not a big difference. Then I realized something. As I gazed around at these other TV's, plasma's LCD's I noticed that picture quality actually looked inferior to the Mitsubishi. It's liked the Mits looked real on some blue rays, and many of the smaller models looked garish. I'm sure they could be adjusted, but they weren't.

Then it dawned on me that all the sets in the place were up to 90 to 100% brightness or near. Some looked like flashlights! The PQ wasn't exceptional either. Also fluorescent store lights right over the 82 inch I hoped for, were washing it out a little. But still it looked pretty darn good. And the 82 inch was bright enough in that store, but again in this brightness peeing contest the little bity lcd next to it was a bit brighter. So I asked for a remote and checked settings and sure enough it was on 90%. So basically if you take 3 TV's, LCD, plasma and DLP and turn all 3 up to 100% brightness, the LCD will win. But what I figured out was that if you set all 3 TV's to a reasonably bright picture that most people would end up seeing at home, then ALL 3 are the same brightness since all three can achieve that easily. In fact a 73 inch DLP is the SAME as the 82 inch in terms of brightness because no one sets them at 100%. Instead they just turn it up to the right point where it looks bright, but just before it becomes beaming or garish etc. So the 73 inch might be set at 35% brightness and the 82 inch might need 45% brightness. And that's no big deal. AS for changing bulbs, I figured out I watch about 8 hours a day, so that's a $99 bulb every 2 years which is also no big deal and seems worth it.

I figured all this out after a lot of research. In fact I worried for well over a year over it. I didn't want a dim set! At any rate what I saw in the store was pretty good, but I still had doubts. As I kept thinking about it, it occurred to me that maybe the bulb in the store was getting old. The guy runs it 12 hours a day and turns it way up to compensate for bright fluorescent ceiling lights! I called Mitsubishi and ask them for more stores I could visit and I called around to no avail unless I wanted to go like 100 miles. I read forums and plenty of people said it was bright and a very clear looking set. So finally I decided to order one off Amazon knowing I could return it. It arrived and I got the best demo any one could have, in my house, when I was relaxed and with plenty of time to use it. I turned it on and got kind of nervous, but reminded myself that it took 3 minutes to warm up. Then stood back and looked at it and it was breath taking! Out of box settings were overly bright and I had to turn the settings down from brilliant to bright, and set brightness to 45. It looked NOTHING like what I saw in the show room. It was way better! I then got it some HD content from a nature channel. I also knew not to make the mistake nervous new owners make of running up to it. I watched between 8 and 25 feet. It was so clear it felt like I was looking through a window into the jungle! And yes, it looks good up close, but again at 82 inches it's better not to be right up to it. And from what I read in the forums, every pixel is displayed in 1080 so of course you are seeing everything.

Being bright, clear and 82 inch, I knew there was no way I'd want other screen types now. Even though they are nice they'd never have that immerseive feeling. Also this was during day time with some windows. I don't have any windows facing the TV directly with the sun shining right on the TV. But if I did, that would be ridiculous even to see that on an LCD. And no matter what type of TV I had, I wouldn't want to see TV that way. However, the room was fairly brightly lit during day time and the TV looked great. I tried out the 3D with Grand Canyon Adventure and the depth made it feel a lot like I was there. Also bubbles and other things flew out of the screen about 15 feet at times even though most 3D only came out about 3 to 6 feet. So if someone out there wants a bigger set, the 82 is great. And I know I wrote a lot, but after what I went through, felt like sharing it. I can now see that the people saying not to get it may not have seen it under the right circumstances or with the right content. As for the 92 inch, I have no way of knowing since I've never seen one. I'm guessing it will probably look fine.

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And I know I wrote a lot, but after what I went through, felt like sharing it. I can now see that the people saying not to get it may not have seen it under the right circumstances or with the right content.
Sounds like you definitely spent a Long time doing some Major research.

Any chance of you posting up some Pics of your 82" Mits.?
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Why can't Mitsubishi make something new?!?! It would be badass if they made LEDs and Plasmas that are 92 inches or higher.
This doesnt make any sense, sorry. First of all there is nothing wrong with DLP technology except that it requires a thicker tv. Seriously. And these 2011 Mits models are thinner than ever!

Also, DLP is cheaper which is why they can make them this big. Making an LED or plasma that large is financially not viable. And what's the point anyway? A DLP can be just as good with it's current capabilities.

I'm looking forward to getting the 73 or 82 inch 2011 model. I think 92 might be a little too large.
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Old 05-08-2011, 09:10 AM   #31
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This story should help sway anyone on the fence. Remember. If you order from amazon and truly isn't happy, they will send someone to come pick it back up. But with the new 2011 models, there should be a store in your are that has one of the models showing.

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I have the 82 inch and it wasn't an easy decision because there was almost no where to see one, and due to quickly made comments on different boards that were dissuading me, it was a tougher decision. . Negative comments are sometimes useful, I agree, but I had a dilemma. I had a 65 inch rear projection CRT and didn't want to go smaller. I was all set to buy the Vizio 72 inch 3D set for $3500 until they dropped it and replaced it with a somewhat lesser model, and also with passive glasses which I didn't think would be quite as good as the shutter glasses from what I've read. But to be honest, I wasn't really happy with 65 inches. At the same time, I didn't want a bad picture quality, nor did I want a dim looking washed out set. So I went to one of the only local stores that carried the 82 inch and 73 inch DLP's and they looked great, but not quite as bright as other TV's in the store. Not a big difference. Then I realized something. As I gazed around at these other TV's, plasma's LCD's I noticed that picture quality actually looked inferior to the Mitsubishi. It's liked the Mits looked real on some blue rays, and many of the smaller models looked garish. I'm sure they could be adjusted, but they weren't.

Then it dawned on me that all the sets in the place were up to 90 to 100% brightness or near. Some looked like flashlights! The PQ wasn't exceptional either. Also fluorescent store lights right over the 82 inch I hoped for, were washing it out a little. But still it looked pretty darn good. And the 82 inch was bright enough in that store, but again in this brightness peeing contest the little bity lcd next to it was a bit brighter. So I asked for a remote and checked settings and sure enough it was on 90%. So basically if you take 3 TV's, LCD, plasma and DLP and turn all 3 up to 100% brightness, the LCD will win. But what I figured out was that if you set all 3 TV's to a reasonably bright picture that most people would end up seeing at home, then ALL 3 are the same brightness since all three can achieve that easily. In fact a 73 inch DLP is the SAME as the 82 inch in terms of brightness because no one sets them at 100%. Instead they just turn it up to the right point where it looks bright, but just before it becomes beaming or garish etc. So the 73 inch might be set at 35% brightness and the 82 inch might need 45% brightness. And that's no big deal. AS for changing bulbs, I figured out I watch about 8 hours a day, so that's a $99 bulb every 2 years which is also no big deal and seems worth it.

I figured all this out after a lot of research. In fact I worried for well over a year over it. I didn't want a dim set! At any rate what I saw in the store was pretty good, but I still had doubts. As I kept thinking about it, it occurred to me that maybe the bulb in the store was getting old. The guy runs it 12 hours a day and turns it way up to compensate for bright fluorescent ceiling lights! I called Mitsubishi and ask them for more stores I could visit and I called around to no avail unless I wanted to go like 100 miles. I read forums and plenty of people said it was bright and a very clear looking set. So finally I decided to order one off Amazon knowing I could return it. It arrived and I got the best demo any one could have, in my house, when I was relaxed and with plenty of time to use it. I turned it on and got kind of nervous, but reminded myself that it took 3 minutes to warm up. Then stood back and looked at it and it was breath taking! Out of box settings were overly bright and I had to turn the settings down from brilliant to bright, and set brightness to 45. It looked NOTHING like what I saw in the show room. It was way better! I then got it some HD content from a nature channel. I also knew not to make the mistake nervous new owners make of running up to it. I watched between 8 and 25 feet. It was so clear it felt like I was looking through a window into the jungle! And yes, it looks good up close, but again at 82 inches it's better not to be right up to it. And from what I read in the forums, every pixel is displayed in 1080 so of course you are seeing everything.

Being bright, clear and 82 inch, I knew there was no way I'd want other screen types now. Even though they are nice they'd never have that immerseive feeling. Also this was during day time with some windows. I don't have any windows facing the TV directly with the sun shining right on the TV. But if I did, that would be ridiculous even to see that on an LCD. And no matter what type of TV I had, I wouldn't want to see TV that way. However, the room was fairly brightly lit during day time and the TV looked great. I tried out the 3D with Grand Canyon Adventure and the depth made it feel a lot like I was there. Also bubbles and other things flew out of the screen about 15 feet at times even though most 3D only came out about 3 to 6 feet. So if someone out there wants a bigger set, the 82 is great. And I know I wrote a lot, but after what I went through, felt like sharing it. I can now see that the people saying not to get it may not have seen it under the right circumstances or with the right content. As for the 92 inch, I have no way of knowing since I've never seen one. I'm guessing it will probably look fine.
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Your sure it's a TV and not a front projector, damn it must be huge.
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I'm more than happy with my 73"... As long as I don't go near any HT stores.
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This doesnt make any sense, sorry. First of all there is nothing wrong with DLP technology except that it requires a thicker tv. Seriously. And these 2011 Mits models are thinner than ever!

Also, DLP is cheaper which is why they can make them this big. Making an LED or plasma that large is financially not viable. And what's the point anyway? A DLP can be just as good with it's current capabilities.

I'm looking forward to getting the 73 or 82 inch 2011 model. I think 92 might be a little too large.
Agreed... in my situation a DLP is PERFECT! Wall mounting was not an option in my living room because there is a large picture window on the wall my screen is on. I wanted a credenza styled entertainment unit... but could not find one with a spot large enough for my center channel speaker. I ended up going with a monster of an entertainment unit with an upper shelf that fit my speaker... and towers on each side. With a DLP I am able to bring the viewing screen right up to the very front edge of my entertainment unit. With a plasma or LCD it would have to set back inside the unit the depth of the stand. It would not look nearly as clean... and of course side viewing angles would have suffered as well with the screen being partially hidden by the side towers. See the first set up in my gallery to see what I mean.

I have toyed with the idea of getting a projection system for my next system when the time comes... but the modifications I would have to make to the room may well make that a more expensive option than just going with one of these monster DLP's.
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Any pics of this set yet?
I know huh? I sent him a PM to see if he had any pics of his 82" Mits. DLP, & haven't recv'd a reply yet.
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Your sure it's a TV and not a front projector, damn it must be huge.
Inch size refers to a screen size -- a "front projector" wouldn't be judged, or listed, by number of inches...the projector shoots its image onto a screen, which is rated in inches.
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I know huh? I sent him a PM to see if he had any pics of his 82" Mits. DLP, & haven't recv'd a reply yet.
I purchased an 82" as well of the 738 series but won't receive it until June 6th as I am moving and didn't want to set it up for a couple of weeks then disconnect everything and move it to another townhouse. I'll take pics if anyone still wants to see one setup when I receive it, it might be too late though.

As far as what a previous poster noted about the look of it, I ran into that same problem. The BB near me had a 73" setup and it looked horrible but went to Fry's and they had an 82" setup and it was gorgeous. They actually had the 82", 73" and 65" setup of both the 738 & 838 series and they looked better then what BB had setup. I checked it from my sitting distance and look outstanding. Hopefully it will look as good or better when I get it home.
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I purchased an 82" as well of the 738 series but won't receive it until June 6th as I am moving and didn't want to set it up for a couple of weeks then disconnect everything and move it to another townhouse. I'll take pics if anyone still wants to see one setup when I receive it, it might be too late though.

As far as what a previous poster noted about the look of it, I ran into that same problem. The BB near me had a 73" setup and it looked horrible but went to Fry's and they had an 82" setup and it was gorgeous. They actually had the 82", 73" and 65" setup of both the 738 & 838 series and they looked better then what BB had setup. I checked it from my sitting distance and look outstanding. Hopefully it will look as good or better when I get it home.
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How do you like your RTi12's? Any pics of them in your HT?
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Hey Adrian --

How do you like your RTi12's? Any pics of them in your HT?
I'll finally put some gallery pics up after I set everything up after I move. Still about a month away. As for the RTi12s I love them but need to give them some more juice. My Elite 05 is giving it about 127 watts of the possible 500 they can take. They do sound sweet though but would sound sweeter with an external amp.

I'm in a rut as I don't have cash to purchase a high end receiver which is 1.4 capable for 3D and all the 1.4 capable ones in my price range right now either have pre-outs and no internet (Yamaha) or internet and no pre-outs (Pioneer). I have to get into the $1000 range receivers to get both but might get the amp first then the receiver unless someone takes the 05 off of my hands. I have a Panasonic BT-300 which gets me past the 1.4 hurdle for BD now but would rather have everything run through the receiver.
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