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Old 03-12-2015, 03:19 AM   #1
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About six weeks ago I bought a Vizio soundbar with surround sound speakers for a very nominal price.

After watching movies with it for a couple of weeks I started to notice that my ears hurt after an hour or so of watching with the sound bar on. Not severe pain, but enough to make me feel uncomfortable.

Anyone else ever deal with this?

Anything to be done about it?
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Old 03-12-2015, 03:20 AM   #2
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The sound bar I bought is 300 watts.

If I bought a 60 watt one, do you think that might be easier on my poor, old ears?
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Old 03-12-2015, 03:30 AM   #3
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The sound bar I bought is 300 watts.

If I bought a 60 watt one, do you think that might be easier on my poor, old ears?
It's because you bought one that is fatiguing to your ears. It's not about the watts of the sound bar. More then likely if your soundbar has a sub the 300 watts is the subs amp, that's not the amount of power your actual soundbar uses.
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Old 03-12-2015, 03:37 AM   #4
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It's because you bought one that is fatiguing to your ears. It's not about the watts of the sound bar. More then likely if your soundbar has a sub the 300 watts is the subs amp, that's not the amount of power your actual soundbar uses.
How do I find a sound bar that won't be fatiguing to my ears?

...what am I looking for?
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Old 03-12-2015, 03:46 AM   #5
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How do I find a sound bar that won't be fatiguing to my ears?

...what am I looking for?
Maybe give the sound bar a run with some of your favorite music for a good amount of time, it' s worth spending some time listening and if it sound at any point bright to you it may be a sign that it will be ear fatiguing, what people like to refer as bleeding ears. Make sure the sound bar sound smooth flowy and soft to the ears and not ear piercing when you listen to music.

I hope it is truly the cause of your ear pain or else it may just be a coincidence and you truly are starting to have problems bet I hope it's not the case.
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How do I find a sound bar that won't be fatiguing to my ears?

...what am I looking for?
You would have to audition them. There aren't any specs that will tell you what speaker is laid back or bright.
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Old 03-12-2015, 05:20 AM   #7
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That(all said above) and you are probably listening to nothing but amplified distortion.
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Old 03-13-2015, 06:32 PM   #8
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How do I find a sound bar that won't be fatiguing to my ears?

...what am I looking for?
You're looking for one that produces quality sound. Clean, crisp sound with no distortion. While mid-range is necessary to reproduce dialogue, too much midrange can make the sound metallic. Most soundbars are produced by Chinese companies with crap components and then sold to name-brand companies who have their brand stuck on it.

Go to a physical store and listen to soundbars until you find one you like: one that has good dialogue intelligibility but one that also has a good balance between low and high frequencies. It should sound crisp, clean, smooth and refined. Many soundbars also have Bluetooth and you can easily bring your MP3 player and play music that you know. That's a good way to tell how a soundbar performs.

You should also have your hearing checked. Hearing loss, whether age-related or because of damage from listening to loud sounds can also counter-intuitively cause someone to have excessive sensitivity to loud sounds. While there's no real cure for tinnitus and other hearing related damage, I was told by a hearing doctor that drugs that contain "LNAC" do provide some relief. I haven't tried it yet myself though.

As others have posted, the high wattage has nothing to do with it. Higher wattage should result in lower distortion, which should be easier on the ears. It has almost nothing to do with level, which you can adjust anyway.

Besides, almost all wattage ratings are phony these days. In the days of "hi-fi" the IHS used to have standards for measuring power, but they're long gone. Even putting aside the fact that the 300 watts probably applies to the subwoofer amp as others have posted, that rating could be 300 watts peak to peak at 10% distortion and it may be rated with only one channel driven.

That's 150 watts peak.

That's 106 watts RMS.

At 1% distortion it might be 80 watts.

With all channels driven, it might be 35 watts per channel.

At a specified frequently response of 20-20,000 Hz +/- 1db, it might be only 28 watts.

Good luck with your search. If you find a soundbar you like, let us know what it is.
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You're looking for one that produces quality sound. Clean, crisp sound with no distortion. While mid-range is necessary to reproduce dialogue, too much midrange can make the sound metallic. Most soundbars are produced by Chinese companies with crap components and then sold to name-brand companies who have their brand stuck on it.

Go to a physical store and listen to soundbars until you find one you like: one that has good dialogue intelligibility but one that also has a good balance between low and high frequencies. It should sound crisp, clean, smooth and refined. Many soundbars also have Bluetooth and you can easily bring your MP3 player and play music that you know. That's a good way to tell how a soundbar performs.

You should also have your hearing checked. Hearing loss, whether age-related or because of damage from listening to loud sounds can also counter-intuitively cause someone to have excessive sensitivity to loud sounds. While there's no real cure for tinnitus and other hearing related damage, I was told by a hearing doctor that drugs that contain "LNAC" do provide some relief. I haven't tried it yet myself though.

As others have posted, the high wattage has nothing to do with it. Higher wattage should result in lower distortion, which should be easier on the ears. It has almost nothing to do with level, which you can adjust anyway.

Besides, almost all wattage ratings are phony these days. In the days of "hi-fi" the IHS used to have standards for measuring power, but they're long gone. Even putting aside the fact that the 300 watts probably applies to the subwoofer amp as others have posted, that rating could be 300 watts peak to peak at 10% distortion and it may be rated with only one channel driven.

That's 150 watts peak.

That's 106 watts RMS.

At 1% distortion it might be 80 watts.

With all channels driven, it might be 35 watts per channel.

At a specified frequently response of 20-20,000 Hz +/- 1db, it might be only 28 watts.

Good luck with your search. If you find a soundbar you like, let us know what it is.
This is a great response and I really appreciate the info.

I have a Vizio sound bar with surround speakers that cost $200. It sounds fine to me, so even if it was heavy on distortion, the fact is I probably don't have the sonic palette necessary to distinguish between good sound and bad sound.

And I'm not willing to spend $500-$1000 on a more high-end system.

Guess the only option is to go to an ear doctor and see if my ears are ****ed and decide whether or not to just return the sound bar and go back to the god-awful TV speaker sound I was using before.
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Boston Acoustics TVee25 or 26(essentially the same)

I have two of them in spare bedrooms.

One would be a monumental improvement.
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About six weeks ago I bought a Vizio soundbar with surround sound speakers for a very nominal price.

After watching movies with it for a couple of weeks I started to notice that my ears hurt after an hour or so of watching with the sound bar on. Not severe pain, but enough to make me feel uncomfortable.

Anyone else ever deal with this?

Anything to be done about it?

Sup Ray!, If you are noticing ear pain and the cause is the speakers....get rid of your current setup. Keep it simple...go with a 2 channel setup....forget about those HTiB systems and Sound bars.

Don't hurt your ears....it ain't worth the price.

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It's usually a certain frequency or frequencies that you're hearing too much of. Highs or mids. See if you can EQ the settings a bit. Generally, a brighter sounding sytem will be harsh in a hard more hollow room. Place that brighter system into a 'dead' room (lots of softer surfaces) and that system will balance out a bit better.
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Sup Ray!, If you are noticing ear pain and the cause is the speakers....get rid of your current setup. Keep it simple...go with a 2 channel setup....forget about those HTiB systems and Sound bars.

Don't hurt your ears....it ain't worth the price.

talk to ya later Ray!
Appreciate the advice.

Can I find a 2 channel setup (new, not used) for less than $300?
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It's usually a certain frequency or frequencies that you're hearing too much of. Highs or mids. See if you can EQ the settings a bit. Generally, a brighter sounding sytem will be harsh in a hard more hollow room. Place that brighter system into a 'dead' room (lots of softer surfaces) and that system will balance out a bit better.
Thanks man...but not sure I understand what you mean by a 'dead' room with softer surfaces?

I have it set up in my bedroom and due the group nature of my living situation, that's the only option at this point.
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Appreciate the advice.

Can I find a 2 channel setup (new, not used) for less than $300?

You should be able to find a pair of bookshelf speakers for around $200
( I'd advise to go used...you can maybe save 50%. )

As for a receiver....new will cost at least $300, used you can save big...since your setup is a basic 2 channel. let's say you save 50%

We are looking at minimum, $500 total...going all New.

Go used, and we're at $300
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This is a great response and I really appreciate the info.

I have a Vizio sound bar with surround speakers that cost $200. It sounds fine to me, so even if it was heavy on distortion, the fact is I probably don't have the sonic palette necessary to distinguish between good sound and bad sound.
On the contrary ............... You'll know good sound when you hear it

What all speakers attempt to do is recreate real life sonic experiences in your environment. And obviously some do it better than others

In my experience it's good to listen to great (very expensive systems) to get a feel for what is possible, then try and find a similar sound (albeit scaled down) in something more your price range.

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And I'm not willing to spend $500-$1000 on a more high-end system.
It is possible to find a good sounding system in your price range ........

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Guess the only option is to go to an ear doctor and see if my ears are ****ed and decide whether or not to just return the sound bar and go back to the god-awful TV speaker sound I was using before.
I hope this is not the case and I doubt it is ...........

You'll just need to find a better solution for your home listening pleasure ....... Have you thought about headphones ?
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