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Old 02-08-2019, 12:14 PM   #3921
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Also, I admit that DV and HDR10 on '17, '18, and '19 panels was improved, but the simple fact that we can still take advantage of DV and HDR10 content on our '16 panels AND STILL watch 3D content on them to me is huge!
Yeah, still being able to watch 3D is very important to me. IMO all post 2016 TVs are essentially crippled and compromised in a way seeing as they don't do 3D.

A major loss right there.
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Old 02-08-2019, 12:28 PM   #3922
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Yeah, still being able to watch 3D is very important to me. IMO all post 2016 TVs are essentially crippled and compromised in a way seeing as they don't do 3D.

A major loss right there.
All the new post-2016 panels have going for them is improved HDR tone-mapping. That is it. A huge compromise when we lose an actual main feature like 3D
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Old 02-08-2019, 01:04 PM   #3923
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Let's hope manufacturers will come their senses and we'll get that 8K glasses free 3D tech asap.
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Old 02-08-2019, 01:29 PM   #3924
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Let's hope manufacturers will come their senses and we'll get that 8K glasses free 3D tech asap.
One can only dream!
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Old 02-08-2019, 09:43 PM   #3925
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I've ditched 3D, I hardly used it but am annoyed I had to to get my new ideal TV.
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Old 02-09-2019, 12:24 AM   #3926
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Black crush really is a mislabel on OLED. It's not black crush per se, but we now have tv's that produce absolute black. When we view near black detail on OLED that is near 1% or less, it's going to look like crush because in reality, 0 to 1% should be extremely dark. On LCD, 1% looks like 3% on OLED, and that's why it easier to see on LCD. LCD 0 to 1% is not even close to reality 0 to 1%. It's LCD that is not producing a proper image and people have become use to elevated blacks that are incorrect.
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Old 02-09-2019, 01:41 AM   #3927
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Exactly, that’s what I was trying to say and is something you need an adjustment period to if coming from something like LCD.
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Old 02-09-2019, 11:15 AM   #3928
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Black crush is not the devil. I embrace black crush on my oled tv. The amount of detail lost is so small it's irrelevant and does not ruin the viewing experience.
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Old 02-09-2019, 07:57 PM   #3929
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Black crush really is a mislabel on OLED. It's not black crush per se, but we now have tv's that produce absolute black. When we view near black detail on OLED that is near 1% or less, it's going to look like crush because in reality, 0 to 1% should be extremely dark. On LCD, 1% looks like 3% on OLED, and that's why it easier to see on LCD. LCD 0 to 1% is not even close to reality 0 to 1%. It's LCD that is not producing a proper image and people have become use to elevated blacks that are incorrect.


The above is an example of what users are seeing on their OLED's and calling it deep or perfect blacks. That's not good people. As you can see, crushed blacks hides a lot of information. I wouldn't or don't want deep or so-called infinite blacks at the expense of shadow detail. I want to see the details on the rocks at the shore at sundown or sunrise, I don't want them to be blotted out. As you can see the picture of the left is blacker, however its just a black blot, demolishing all detail.

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Old 02-09-2019, 08:09 PM   #3930
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Black crush is not the devil. I embrace black crush on my oled tv. The amount of detail lost is so small it's irrelevant and does not ruin the viewing experience.
That's because you probably don't know what you're missing. Black crush is just as bad as gray blacks and blooming on a LCD.
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Old 02-09-2019, 08:46 PM   #3931
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The above is an example of what users are seeing on their OLED's and calling it deep or perfect blacks.
What piffle. I'm not seeing anything like that.

On my OLED I see a wider range of blacks. It's darker but more detailed low luma range than the wash of LCD. What settings are you using?

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Old 02-10-2019, 04:04 AM   #3932
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Rocky get back in here and straighten this guy out!
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Old 02-11-2019, 06:36 AM   #3933
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The above is an example of what users are seeing on their OLED's and calling it deep or perfect blacks. That's not good people. As you can see, crushed blacks hides a lot of information. I wouldn't or don't want deep or so-called infinite blacks at the expense of shadow detail. I want to see the details on the rocks at the shore at sundown or sunrise, I don't want them to be blotted out. As you can see the picture of the left is blacker, however its just a black blot, demolishing all detail.
Never seen an image like the one on the left on any of my three OLEDs.

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Enough with the nonsense
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Old 02-11-2019, 11:42 AM   #3934
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The above is an example of what users are seeing on their OLED's and calling it deep or perfect blacks. That's not good people. As you can see, crushed blacks hides a lot of information. I wouldn't or don't want deep or so-called infinite blacks at the expense of shadow detail. I want to see the details on the rocks at the shore at sundown or sunrise, I don't want them to be blotted out. As you can see the picture of the left is blacker, however its just a black blot, demolishing all detail.
1. The above is NO example at all because that is not even an actual picture of an oled tv
2. No actual 'users' ever said that THAT is what they see on their Oled.
In other words, all that is made up.
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Old 02-11-2019, 11:45 AM   #3935
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Never seen an image like the one on the left on any of my three OLEDs.

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Enough with the nonsense
That looks like black crush that covers from 0% to 15% LOL. My oled crushes black at 5% at best.
It reminds me of those made up screenshots to show how HDR brightens the picture compared to SDR. Not even a real screenshot!
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Old 02-11-2019, 11:48 AM   #3936
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By the way, did LG Oeld 2016 get a new firmware update in Europe after the 05.30.30?
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:34 PM   #3937
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1. The above is NO example at all because that is not even an actual picture of an oled tv
2. No actual 'users' ever said that THAT is what they see on their Oled.
In other words, all that is made up.
The picture is an example of crushed blacks. Crushed blacks can happen with any display technology. I posted that pic so those who may not know can have visual example of what crushed blacks are.

BTW, that picture of crushed blacks is from an OLED display.

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Old 02-11-2019, 08:56 PM   #3938
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If you are getting black crush of more than a few percent something is very wrong and you need to adjust your set ASAP. Especially on 2018 Oled's. Black crush on an OLED isn't in the same ballpark as gray blacks, over darkened zones and blooming on a LCD. I can think of bigger issues with OLED's than black crush.

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Old 02-11-2019, 09:20 PM   #3939
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By the way, did LG Oeld 2016 get a new firmware update in Europe after the 05.30.30?
Korea got a 5.30.50 which will work for US TV's. I've used updates from here often without problems.

https://www.lgservice.co.kr/search/d...currentPageNo=
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Old 02-11-2019, 09:27 PM   #3940
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Oled will crush some black, the LG series 7 is better than LG series 6 and I guess that LG series 8 is better, but it will not crush that much like in the picture if it does than something is wrong
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