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Old 03-19-2020, 10:41 PM   #20821
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Analysts. If they stuck their head up their own arse they still couldn’t predict when it would get light.
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Old 03-19-2020, 10:44 PM   #20823
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My irony alert just went off; that's all I'm gonna say.
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Old 03-19-2020, 11:26 PM   #20824
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My irony alert just went off; that's all I'm gonna say.
I think I have a better track record. For a start I did say everyone would be watching SD on their TV sets!
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Old 03-19-2020, 11:36 PM   #20825
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Read. Think. Reply. In that order, please.
Don't get excited, I meant here in The States and changed my Post. I thought it was a given that I live here.
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Old 03-20-2020, 12:19 AM   #20826
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Welp after all this stuff with overuse crashing all these services, I'm sticking with discs. Blu-rays always looked and sounded fine to me, DVD if I can't get a Blu-ray.
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Old 03-20-2020, 01:40 AM   #20827
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Do you guys think this pandemic will make digital the savior of entertainment? I'm already reading about large USA theater chains scared shitless that they don't have money, because they operate on fixed costs. Also, if no one can report to work, that means that no one will go to work at the duplication plants to press physical media.

I'm just spitballing, but wanted to gauge the room.
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Old 03-20-2020, 02:20 AM   #20828
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Aren't most of the physical media now done in Mexico?
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Old 03-20-2020, 02:34 AM   #20829
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Do you guys think this pandemic will make digital the savior of entertainment? I'm already reading about large USA theater chains scared shitless that they don't have money, because they operate on fixed costs. Also, if no one can report to work, that means that no one will go to work at the duplication plants to press physical media.

I'm just spitballing, but wanted to gauge the room.
There are many types of entertainment and I feel ones that don't require an internet connection are particularly relevant now. My discs only need power and my books only need light.

As for saving entertainment, TV services, remain, too, and people spend far more on cable/satellite than they do all of streaming combined. TV services are pretty stable and if worse comes to worse a simple antenna will get you your local stations.

Life will return to normal; this is not the first time that humanity has faced a crisis and humanity has faced many worse than this one. People will once again go to the theater, concerts, plays, operas, carnivals, conventions, circuses, casinos, rallies, ball games, monster truck rallies, and more.

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Old 03-20-2020, 02:43 AM   #20830
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There are many types of entertainment and I feel ones that don't require an internet connection are particularly relevant now. My discs only need power and my books only need light.

Life will return to normal; this is not the first time that humanity has faced a crisis and humanity has faced many worse than this one. People will once again go to the theater, concerts, plays, operas, carnivals, conventions, circuses, casinos, rallies, ball games, monster truck rallies, and more.
I agree, in 2-3 months hopefully this will be all in the past. Then it will be time to move on and reopen stores and business. But I'm sure it will take longer than 2-3 months to get trust back in the people that things will be ok and its time to move on with life.
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Old 03-20-2020, 03:03 AM   #20831
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I agree, in 2-3 months hopefully this will be all in the past. Then it will be time to move on and reopen stores and business. But I'm sure it will take longer than 2-3 months to get trust back in the people that things will be ok and its time to move on with life.
Whatever Kool-Aid you are drinking . . . please give me some! 2 or 3 months? There is no vaccine for CV-19!

You really believe stores and businesses can survive with no money coming in for 2 -3 months? What about the rent they have to pay? That doesn't stop just because they are ordered to shut down.
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Aren't most of the physical media now done in Mexico?

Yes, and? This is a pandemic. It's worldwide. Production of non-essential assembly lines will be shutdown if they haven't been already.
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Old 03-20-2020, 03:14 AM   #20833
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Yes, and? This is a pandemic. It's worldwide. Production of non-essential assembly lines will be shutdown if they haven't been already.
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In Mexico, the coronavirus has yet to hit in large numbers, and the country is operating largely as usual. Movie theaters, restaurants and gyms are still open.

Just a few days ago, around 45,000 people attended a music festival in Mexico City — at the same time many US cities were going on lockdown to contain the virus’ spread.
https://www.pri.org/stories/2020-03-...19-precautions
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Old 03-20-2020, 03:23 AM   #20834
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Whatever Kool-Aid you are drinking . . . please give me some! 2 or 3 months? There is no vaccine for CV-19!

You really believe stores and businesses can survive with no money coming in for 2 -3 months? What about the rent they have to pay? That doesn't stop just because they are ordered to shut down.
They are testing a vaccine on humans now, both here and in the U.K., but even if it proves to be safe and effective it won't be mass produced and distributed for about 12-18 months. Researchers in the U.K. were offering $4000 to people willing to be tested with it as it involves being injected with a weakened version of the virus.

The second stimulus package, valued at $1 trillion, is being debated now in Congress and it is supposed to offer some financial help to both businesses and individuals; whether it proves to be adequate remains to be seen. They are proposing to give every American adult $1200 within the next two weeks, excluding those who earn huge incomes in the $1 million per year and up range.

In the case of the 1918 pandemic the virus dramatically tapered off on its own after about 8 months into that pandemic; October of 1918 was the deadliest month of them all, killing 195,000 Americans in a single month, but in November cases fell sharply and they kept falling until it essentially disappeared. The 1918 pandemic is estimated to have killed 50 million people worldwide according to the CDC; some sources place the esitmate as high as 100 million. No vaccine was found at the time because viruses were not even visible until the invention of the electron microscope in 1940. They tried a bacterial based vaccine back then, but of course it failed utterly.

There's no guarantee whatsoever that Covid-19 will behave the same, but viral infections have appeared, spiked, and dissipated in the past over the passage of time as survivors developed antibodies on their own. Hopefully, a vaccine will come sooner than later for this pandemic.

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Correct, but there's a supply chain. If they're alright there, do you really think with California, home of the major studios, will have their workers on hand to inventory and file new shipments of non-essentials? Seriously, physical media, as much as we love it, is NOT an essential. If you think it is then there's something wrong there.

I'm trying to be a realist here.
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Correct, but there's a supply chain. If they're alright there, do you really think with California, home of the major studios, will have their workers on hand to inventory and file new shipments of non-essentials? Seriously, physical media, as much as we love it, is NOT an essential. If you think it is then there's something wrong there.

I'm trying to be a realist here.
The entire state of California is now on "lockdown." The California governor ordered it tonight. California is projecting that 56% of the state's population of 40 million will become infected.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/us/ca...der/index.html
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The population of the USA in 1918 was 103,208,000 and the Spanish Flu killed 675,000 Americans.

Today's population is 329.45 million - more than 3X that of 1918. If the mortality rate of CV-19 is the same - we could lose 2 million people!

We have a small business called Nobel here in ABQ. It's the only place that sells used UHD, BD and DVDs for pennies on the dollar (along with video games). They have two stores. Will the stimulus package help that business? Will the package reach the grassroots small businesses? I don't believe it will.
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Correct, but there's a supply chain. If they're alright there, do you really think with California, home of the major studios, will have their workers on hand to inventory and file new shipments of non-essentials? Seriously, physical media, as much as we love it, is NOT an essential. If you think it is then there's something wrong there.

I'm trying to be a realist here.
No you aren't. You are just making assumptions. I'm not even sure you understand how a disc is made and then how it gets to a retailer.
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The population of the USA in 1918 was 103,208,000 and the Spanish Flu killed 675,000 Americans.

Today's population is 329.45 million - more than 3X that of 1918. If the mortality rate of CV-19 is the same - we could lose 2 million people!

We have a small business called Nobel here in ABQ. It's the only place that sells used UHD, BD and DVDs for pennies on the dollar (along with video games). They have two stores. Will the stimulus package help that business? Will the package reach the grassroots small businesses? I don't believe it will.
Yes, the 1918 pandemic killed 675,000 Americans in total, but it killed 195,000 of that total in the month of October 1918 alone.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...emic-h1n1.html

The mortality rate for the H1N1 virus of 1918 was: "Case-fatality rates were >2.5%."

The mortality rate for the 1918 pandemic was greater than 2.5%. The population of the U.S. as of August 2019 was 329.45 million and if 2.5% of that number died from Covid-19 the death toll would be 8.24 million.

"Total deaths were estimated at ≈50 million and were arguably as high as 100 million."

http://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/404.html?as...5-0979_article

In 1918, they were trying to create a vaccine based upon bacteria because they could not even see a virus back then with their primitive microscopes. Today, we know we are dealing with a virus from the outset and our vaccine research has that advantage along with about 102 years worth of medical advancements since 1918.

Mortality rates for Covid 19 in the U.S. are as follows by age group:

"This first preliminary description of outcomes among patients with COVID-19 in the United States indicates that fatality was highest in persons aged ≥85, ranging from 10% to 27%, followed by 3% to 11% among persons aged 65–84 years, 1% to 3% among persons aged 55-64 years, <1% among persons aged 20–54 years, and no fatalities among persons aged ≤19 years.

The Covid-19 mortality rate for those between 20 and 54 years of age is less than 1%. The group containing those aged 19-54 comprised 47% of the U.S. population in 2018 and that is likely about the same now. Older Americans (those at the greatest risk) aged 55 and up comprised 29% of the U.S. population in 2018.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6912e2.htm

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indi...,"sort":"asc"}

The stimulus package does contain provisions for small businesses in its initial proposed form; what the bill will finally contain after it is debated and voted upon remains to be seen. Outlines of the proposal here:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/polit...ans/index.html

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