Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

The whole thing stemmed from you repeatedly thinking there was actual content on the boxes. About as simple as that. You seem to hate when someone points something out the contradicts what you think.

There is content on the boxes. When people buy these boxes, they have all the films available right away. How does it get on the boxes? Do the faries put it there? Why would that be described as 'fully loaded' if the box had no content on it? The clueless people who buy these boxes, DO NOT have to do any installing or indeed anything technical. When they attach the box to the tv, the content is ready to watch. Someone has done all the technical stuff then sold it on.

[huskerbear]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

There is content on the boxes. When people buy these boxes, they have all the films available right away. How does it get on the boxes? Do the faries put it there? Why would that be described as 'fully loaded' if the box had no content on it? The clueless people who buy these boxes, DO NOT have to do any installing or indeed anything technical. When they attach the box to the tv, the content is ready to watch. Someone has done all the technical stuff then sold it on.

I think you are confusing apps vs content. These boxes only have apps that you can get anyplace with little technical knowledge.

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

There is content on the boxes. When people buy these boxes, they have all the films available right away. How does it get on the boxes? Do the faries put it there? Why would that be described as 'fully loaded' if the box had no content on it? The clueless people who buy these boxes, DO NOT have to do any installing or indeed anything technical. When they attach the box to the tv, the content is ready to watch. Someone has done all the technical stuff then sold it on.

You're very dense or purposefully ignorant. I've told you many time already, but it's not worth it anymore.

Originally Posted by huskerbear

I think you are confusing apps vs content. These boxes only have apps that you can get anyplace with little technical knowledge.

Thank you! For the love of God it's not difficult to understand what an app is and what it does. These damn boxes don't come fully loaded with anything. They do nothing whatsoever that a $20 Android phone can't do.

[Blu-ray Neo]

This article may settle the Kodi argument....

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/...-sports-movies


Apparently these devices can be altered by ones self or bought with preloaded software that violates copyright law.

Either way, the use of Kodi as a whole may be legal, but we all know why people have and use it.

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by Blu-ray Neo

This article may settle the Kodi argument....

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/...-sports-movies


Apparently these devices can be altered by ones self or bought with preloaded software that violates copyright law.

Either way, the use of Kodi as a whole may be legal, but we all know why people have and use it.

Yeah that's UK. In the US for the most part the programs themselves are legal even if what they do is illegal. It's very similar to a video game emulator being perfectly legal even though what 99% of people do with them is illegal. Those boxes skirt the rules (in the US) because nothing on them is actually copyrighted material. I suppose the UK is more strict on that stuff.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Blu-ray Neo

This article may settle the Kodi argument....

http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/...-sports-movies


Apparently these devices can be altered by ones self or bought with preloaded software that violates copyright law.

Either way, the use of Kodi as a whole may be legal, but we all know why people have and use it.

bought with pre-loaded software thank you. Software that makes it very simple to watch copyright material. Software to enable Netflix, Sky, Amazon, BT (British Telecom) and all the rest. Otherwise known as ' FULLY LOADED'

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

Yeah that's UK. In the US for the most part the programs themselves are legal even if what they do is illegal. It's very similar to a video game emulator being perfectly legal even though what 99% of people do with them is illegal. Those boxes skirt the rules (in the US) because nothing on them is actually copyrighted material. I suppose the UK is more strict on that stuff.

Even articles like this use the term 'Fully Loaded' to describe boxes with all the required software preinstalled. Which is all I was trying to say.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by huskerbear

I think you are confusing apps vs content. These boxes only have apps that you can get anyplace with little technical knowledge.

I am not confusing anything. The apps CONTAIN the content. That's why millions are buying boxes illegally in the U.K.

[Blu-ray Neo]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

Yeah that's UK. In the US for the most part the programs themselves are legal even if what they do is illegal. It's very similar to a video game emulator being perfectly legal even though what 99% of people do with them is illegal. Those boxes skirt the rules (in the US) because nothing on them is actually copyrighted material. I suppose the UK is more strict on that stuff.

I understand what you're saying about the USA considering that I live here too. The problem is, the experts disagree with your argument.

Kodi may be legal here in the USA, but it's what you do with it that matters. Kodi just barely skates by the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) and depending on the user, violates it.

http://wtvpc.com/is-kodi-legal-as-us...-do-questions/

https://thevpn.guru/is-kodi-legal-sa...vacy-security/

https://www.groundedreason.com/what-...d-is-it-legal/


The point is, if you use Kodi to access content that you did NOT pay for, then it is illegal and violates the DMCA. There is no gray area there.

We all know why people use Kodi and it's not for legal reasons.... I hear it all the time at work. Hell, my brother-in-law's house was raided byt he FBI and the US Marshals Service over this so I've seen it firsthand.

[flyry]

Originally Posted by master gandhi

I was looking at the preorder description for Mystery Science Theater 3000 Season 11 on Blu-ray and DVD...

"Available on BLU-RAY and DVD, this Season 11 "Collector's Box Set" is perfect for people who love downloading video, but still need something to display on the shelf. Or who can't get high-speed internet."

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I am not confusing anything. The apps CONTAIN the content. That's why millions are buying boxes illegally in the U.K.

The apps don't contain any content. The applications that are added to Kodi allow the user to connect to torrent swarms that allow you to stream movies and content that do not download to the device itself. You are misinformed on this topic. You are streaming in a way that is similar to Netflix. If you have the Netflix app, you don't have all of the content on the device itself.

[wolfpackTri]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

There is content on the boxes. When people buy these boxes, they have all the films available right away. How does it get on the boxes? Do the faries put it there? Why would that be described as 'fully loaded' if the box had no content on it? The clueless people who buy these boxes, DO NOT have to do any installing or indeed anything technical. When they attach the box to the tv, the content is ready to watch. Someone has done all the technical stuff then sold it on.

I don't even know where to begin with this.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

The apps don't contain any content. The applications that are added to Kodi allow the user to connect to torrent swarms that allow you to stream movies and content that do not download to the device itself. You are misinformed on this topic. You are streaming in a way that is similar to Netflix. If you have the Netflix app, you don't have all of the content on the device itself.

But that's still content. If I have a Netflix App on a box that is still content. Yes, I need a broadband connection, but I am still streaming content that is only possible by connecting the box to a tv. For example, if the Kodi box comes with a Sky App, that Sky app will contain all Sky Movies, Sky Sport and tv. What does it matter if the content is on the box or the content is streamed by the box. Same result. These boxes are set up to make streaming illegal content easy.

By the way, I am a Sky customer and I wouldn't dream of using such a box.

I am going to research and get back to you. If I completely wrong and I have been misinformed I will offer the appropriate aplologies.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

But that's still content. If I have a Netflix App on a box that is still content. Yes, I need a broadband connection, but I am still streaming content that is only possible by connecting the box to a tv. For example, if the Kodi box comes with a Sky App, that Sky app will contain all Sky Movies, Sky Sport and tv. What does it matter if the content is on the box or the content is streamed by the box. Same result. These boxes are set up to make streaming illegal content easy.

Every device with an internet connection can easily access illegal content. It takes about a minute to find and download those apps on any device. The "fully loaded" devices have just taken out a few steps that likely make the customers more oblivious to the fact that they are accessing illegal content. But none of those devices contain any illegal content themselves, they just contain programs that can access illegal content.

None of this is relevant to the thread topic. Why did we start talking about piracy?

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Every device with an internet connection can easily access illegal content. It takes about a minute to find and download those apps on any device. The "fully loaded" devices have just taken out a few steps that likely make the customers more oblivious to the fact that they are accessing illegal content. But none of those devices contain any illegal content themselves, they just contain programs that can access illegal content.

None of this is relevant to the thread topic. Why did we start talking about piracy?

Because of the post about pay tv losing subs. These boxes are one of the reasons IMO.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

Every device with an internet connection can easily access illegal content. It takes about a minute to find and download those apps on any device. The "fully loaded" devices have just taken out a few steps that likely make the customers more oblivious to the fact that they are accessing illegal content. But none of those devices contain any illegal content themselves, they just contain programs that can access illegal content.

None of this is relevant to the thread topic. Why did we start talking about piracy?

I know that. I was under the impression these boxes have everything set up for the end user to start streaming content straight away.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I know that. I was under the impression these boxes have everything set up for the end user to start streaming content straight away.

They do, but it takes less than a minute of work to set that up on any device.

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

They do, but it takes less than a minute of work to set that up on any device.

I already tried explaining that to him...Did no good. Those boxes just pray off people's stupidity.

[darkknightman]

I have been reading this thread for a few days and I think the wrong language to use is saying that physical media is dying or will be dead. It won't. It will just be pushed back to a niche method of consuming media. I am old enough to have been around for VHS on. I personally have become tired of the collecting of anything, never mind physical media. I have turned to streaming the majority of my media. I purchased Rogue One on Vudu and plan to watch it tonight. I don't think it's constructive to criticize the way anyone chooses to consume media. If you like physical, then by all means stick with it. I have found that I tend to watch more of my library now that it's just a button push away. I am enjoying the convenience of streaming while also enjoying the prospect of less clutter around the house. Different strokes.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

I have been reading this thread for a few days and I think the wrong language to use is saying that physical media is dying or will be dead. It won't. It will just be pushed back to a niche method of consuming media. I am old enough to have been around for VHS on. I personally have become tired of the collecting of anything, never mind physical media. I have turned to streaming the majority of my media. I purchased Rogue One on Vudu and plan to watch it tonight. I don't think it's constructive to criticize the way anyone chooses to consume media. If you like physical, then by all means stick with it. I have found that I tend to watch more of my library now that it's just a button push away. I am enjoying the convenience of streaming while also enjoying the prospect of less clutter around the house. Different strokes.

There's nothing wrong with both streaming and physical media being available but less support for physical media means less titles available on physical media. If physical media is a niche than most titles will only be available digitally (and when licensing disputes or other problems happen they will become completely unavailable).