Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

. What makes the digital purchases or rentals a better value?

Well I can understand rentals. If someone plans to never buy movies again and just rental digital is the way to go. For many people one and done is good with movies so rental works best and is the better value.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

Not trying to change your mind or anything, bit I'd imagine you upgraded for better PQ and AQ right? I mean if what you had was good you would've never upgraded in the past. If those were the reasons you upgraded you'll do it again with digital. Movies I have in HD I need to pay for HDX and movies in HDX I need to pay for UHD. Same will happen with whatever comes down the pike next. Digital doesn't mean you pay once and you're done. That is unless you only plan to rent from here on out.

I already have so many movies from using the included digital copy codes. I purchased a few on this forum and don't plan to pay again for UHD. I still love movies despite the accusations. I still buy physical media but very sparingly.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

Well I can understand rentals. If someone plans to never buy movies again and just rental digital is the way to go. For many people one and done is good with movies so rental works best and is the better value.

But that isn't really an argument of physical versus digital. If you're renting recent releases than Redbox is a better value than any digital rental service. If you're sticking with Netflix and/or Amazon Prime than you have a very limited selection.

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

I already have so many movies from using the included digital copy codes. I purchased a few on this forum and don't plan to pay again for UHD. I still love movies despite the accusations. I still buy physical media but very sparingly.

Fair enough that means you're content. I just have seen people talk about digital as if that movie they buy is it and they never need to buy it again. Assuming people want the best PQ and AQ you need to upgrade even digital files.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

I already have so many movies from using the included digital copy codes. I purchased a few on this forum and don't plan to pay again for UHD. I still love movies despite the accusations. I still buy physical media but very sparingly.

No one was forcing you to upgrade with physical media either, so what makes the digital purchases that you also aren't upgrading a better value?

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

But that isn't really an argument of physical versus digital. If you're renting recent releases than Redbox is a better value than any digital rental service. If you're sticking with Netflix and/or Amazon Prime than you have a very limited selection.

Renting from Redbox pails in comparison to Amazon or VUDU selection wise. Those are honestly the best way to rent these days.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

Renting from Redbox pails in comparison to Amazon or VUDU selection wise. Those are honestly the best way to rent these days.

While I haven't looked through much of their library I'm under the impression that most of Amazon and VUDU rentals cost $4-$6 each. That's a comparable price to what I pay for most of my Blu-ray discs (that I can keep and watch as many times as I want).

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

No one was forcing you to upgrade with physical media either, so what makes the digital purchases that you also aren't upgrading a better value?

Let's try this again. Convenience and no clutter. I don't want collections of discs and cases cluttering my house. I purchased far too many physical formats that end up being put out to pasture. My vinyl, cassettes and VHS were thrown out because there was no market for any of that stuff and no one wanted it. I traded in and sold my standard DVD collection. I sold most of my blu rays via Ebay and made good money on them. What I have left are the essentials and I will still buy physical but I have cut down. Like many on this site, I used to buy far too many movies. Movies that I wouldn't even watch again. Many of my films were still in the cellophane. For me it just wasn't rational and didn't make sense anymore.

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

While I haven't looked through much of their library I'm under the impression that most of Amazon and VUDU rentals cost $4-$6 each. That's a comparable price to what I pay for most of my Blu-ray discs (that I can keep and watch as many times as I want).

Yeah most are $4 to $6 to rent. I apperantly don't shop at the same places as you because I never see a movie that is within a year old for $4 to $6. I buy what I know I like, but come on realistically why would I buy 5th Wave which I don't know if I'll like for $17 when I can rent for $6? I buy when things make sense not just to own it. Renting is the way to go when I don't know if I'll like it. Btw my local Redbox doesn't have 5th Wave at the moment.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

I traded in and sold my standard DVD collection. I sold most of my blu rays via Ebay and made good money on them.

I wish you had said that in the first place instead of saying you threw them out. I apologize for calling you a jerk.

The fact that you sold your Blu-rays for good money makes them not a waste of money, doesn't it? If you decided that you had some digital titles that you didn't want anymore then you'd have no way of getting anything back for them.

With me I have over a thousand titles with many that I haven't watched or have only watched once. But since most of my movies barely cost more than a rental I'm not at all worried about the money I spent on them even if I barely use them. It's nice to have a library of titles that I have an interest in. It's a far greater selection of titles that fit my specific interests than any streaming service would ever provide.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

Yeah most are $4 to $6 to rent. I apperantly don't shop at the same places as you because I never see a movie that is within a year old for $4 to $6. I buy what I know I like, but come on realistically why would I buy 5th Wave which I don't know if I'll like for $17 when I can rent for $6? I buy when things make sense not just to own it. Renting is the way to go when I don't know if I'll like it. Btw my local Redbox doesn't have 5th Wave at the moment.

That's really just an argument for patience rather than physical vs digital. If you're patient you can get most movies for under $5. If you're impatient then they'll be expensive in any format.

With your specific example of the 5th Wave I rented it at Redbox when they had a coupon so I got it for 50 cents. That's how I rent most movies.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

I wish you had said that in the first place instead of saying you threw them out. I apologize for calling you a jerk.

The fact that you sold your Blu-rays for good money makes them not a waste of money, doesn't it? If you decided that you had some digital titles that you didn't want anymore then you'd have no way of getting anything back for them.

With me I have over a thousand titles with many that I haven't watched or have only watched once. But since most of my movies barely cost more than a rental I'm not at all worried about the money I spent on them even if I barely use them. It's nice to have a library of titles that I have an interest in. It's a far greater selection of titles that fit my specific interests than any streaming service would ever provide.

That's fine. I am not criticizing your decisions on media consumption. I am stating the reasons I have cut down dramatically on physical. I enjoy the convenience of having films in the cloud and on several devices. I know that films can be taken away but that hasn't happened to me as of yet. And if one service shuts down, I will simply purchase a few essentials on another service and be done with it.

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

That's fine. I am not criticizing your decisions on media consumption. I am stating the reasons I have cut down dramatically on physical. I enjoy the convenience of having films in the cloud and on several devices. I know that films can be taken away but that hasn't happened to me as of yet. And if one service shuts down, I will simply purchase a few essentials on another service and be done with it.

I'm less concerned about a particular service being than shut down than a particular title being de-listed. If there is a licensing disagreement about a particular title than the studio would be forced to remove it from all services.

[ArmyOfDarknessAW]

Originally Posted by PenguinMaster

That's really just an argument for patience rather than physical vs digital. If you're patient you can get most movies for under $5. If you're impatient then they'll be expensive in any format.

With your specific example of the 5th Wave I rented it at Redbox when they had a coupon so I got it for 50 cents. That's how I rent most movies.

I think I said it in the past in this thread I want to watch the movie when I want to watch it. I'm not going to sit around waiting for a movie I may not like to drop to the price I could've rented it for long before that. I personally see absolutely no point in buying a movie that I'll watch once because it is cheap. A rental will more than suffice for something like that. I don't need a useless movie sitting around just because it was cheap. I personally see that as no better value. Actually I see it as a worse value because I had to wait for it. I am almost positive I won't like 5th Wave, but I want to rent and see. Doesn't mean I'd buy it for $6 in a year instead. It'll probably never get used past the once.

I've been there done that with the massive collection with titles I never opened or watched once. I'm done with that. If I don't plan to see it 2 or more times it doesn't enter my collection. I don't have enough shelf space to waste on a rental worthy movie.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

This is a discussion about Physical Vs Digital, is it not? It seems every time this topic comes up, those who are enjoying and prefer digital have strict rules as to what to say and how to say it. I am enjoying digital. How else can I participate in this discussion? I have given my reasons for switching over to mostly digital and here come the offended physical media crew to hoist their restrictions on what one can say. And for the record, I am not interested in what you have to say either.

You originally responded to me, not the other way around. If you are going specifically respond to me consistently, carrying on about your personal reasons why you no longer purchase physical media, which I don't care about one bit (I haven't told you specific reasons why I prefer physical media, so why do you feel the need to tell me yours?), then I'm going to tell that I don't want to hear about it, and that I don't want to discuss it with you. What did you really say that was of any significance? - "I feel what I had accumulated became junk, so I gave it away or threw it out". What, do actually expect to have a conversation about this? Haven't you got "more important things to do in life"?

"Here comes the offended physical media crew" - I could say the same about you (and other online service users that post here), considering in your previous post it was you that was having a whinge:

"Anytime someone discusses a preference of digital over physical, the insults and derogatory comments come flying. Somehow I don't love movies, or I don't appreciate quality or other such nonsense"

This indicates that you don't like seeing such comments and are somewhat offended by them, which brought you out of your cave to comment about it and to defend your camp. You don't like seeing the sorts of comments that you mentioned in the quote above, just the same as "the physical crew" don't like seeing certain comments.

[darkknightman]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

You originally responded to me, not the other way around. If you are going specifically respond to me consistently, carrying on about your personal reasons why you no longer purchase physical media, which I don't care about one bit (I haven't told you specific reasons why I prefer physical media, so why do you feel the need to tell me yours?), then I'm going to tell that I don't want to hear about it, and that I don't want to discuss it with you. What did you really say that was of any significance? - "I feel what I had accumulated became junk, so I gave it away or threw it out". What, do actually expect to have a conversation about this? Haven't you got "more important things to do in life"?

"Here comes the offended physical media crew" - I could say the same about you (and other online service users that post here), considering in your previous post it was you that was having a whinge:

"Anytime someone discusses a preference of digital over physical, the insults and derogatory comments come flying. Somehow I don't love movies, or I don't appreciate quality or other such nonsense"

This indicates that you don't like seeing such comments and are somewhat offended by them, which brought you out of your cave to comment about it and to defend your camp. You don't like seeing the sorts of comments that you mentioned in the quote above, just the same as "the physical crew" don't like seeing certain comments.

As I have said, I am not criticizing your method of media consumption. Why is this hard to understand? In a thread called Physical vs Digital, what are we supposed to talk about? Are we just voting? What should this discussion entail?

[veritas]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

Yeah most are $4 to $6 to rent. I apperantly don't shop at the same places as you because I never see a movie that is within a year old for $4 to $6. I buy what I know I like, but come on realistically why would I buy 5th Wave which I don't know if I'll like for $17 when I can rent for $6? I buy when things make sense not just to own it. Renting is the way to go when I don't know if I'll like it. Btw my local Redbox doesn't have 5th Wave at the moment.

To be fair I can get most movies after about a year after release for 10 to max of like 15 dollars. I can then split a blu ray dvd and digital copy and sell them for 10 to 20 dollars or or keep one part and probably pay like 3 to 6 dollars to own the movie. You have no ability to do that with a digital only purchase you buy it hate it and you are now stuck looking at it for a few years till the streaming service goes out of business.

[PCFan]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

Let's try this again. Convenience and no clutter. I don't want collections of discs and cases cluttering my house. I purchased far too many physical formats that end up being put out to pasture. My vinyl, cassettes and VHS were thrown out because there was no market for any of that stuff and no one wanted it. I traded in and sold my standard DVD collection. I sold most of my blu rays via Ebay and made good money on them. What I have left are the essentials and I will still buy physical but I have cut down. Like many on this site, I used to buy far too many movies. Movies that I wouldn't even watch again. Many of my films were still in the cellophane. For me it just wasn't rational and didn't make sense anymore.

You can buy too many movies digitally as well and movies you would only watch once digitally as well. Buying too many movies is not a matter of physical vs digital. At least with physical you can resell, with digital you can't. Regretting a movies purchase because you won't watch the movie again is not a matter of physical vs digital as you can regret buying a digital movie as well but you can't resell it. Now if it's because you want to save space and reduce clutter then digital wins on that part.

[Cevolution]

Originally Posted by darkknightman

As I have said, I am not criticizing your method of media consumption. Why is this hard to understand?

It's not. I think you're the one having trouble understanding. I didn't say that you have criticised anyone in this instances. All I was getting at, is that you have criticised those that prefer physical media before, therefore you complaining about comments that you don't like from the "physical media crew" is a bit hypocritical IMO.

Originally Posted by darkknightman

In a thread called Physical vs Digital, what are we supposed to talk about? Are we just voting? What should this discussion entail?

I think you missed the point. Perhaps if you had raised something worthy of discussion then we would be discussing it (don't bother attempting this now though, because that boat has sailed). So far in our conversation, all you have pretty much mentioned is what you have collected over your life. How you got rid of it all because you are now a minimalist and felt that it was all junk, and as a result you have less shelves and clutter in your place. How you still purchase the occasional movie on physical media, but that your days of going to stores or ordering online is coming to an end. There wasn't much else, and you expect me or other people to build a conversation around this? What do you want people to say, 'I've done the same for the same or similar reasons'? You are not going to get much of that around here, you're on the wrong site for that.

How many times are you going to tell us the same things?

[PenguinMaster]

Originally Posted by ArmyOfDarknessAW

I think I said it in the past in this thread I want to watch the movie when I want to watch it. I'm not going to sit around waiting for a movie I may not like to drop to the price I could've rented it for long before that. I personally see absolutely no point in buying a movie that I'll watch once because it is cheap. A rental will more than suffice for something like that. I don't need a useless movie sitting around just because it was cheap. I personally see that as no better value. Actually I see it as a worse value because I had to wait for it. I am almost positive I won't like 5th Wave, but I want to rent and see. Doesn't mean I'd buy it for $6 in a year instead. It'll probably never get used past the once.

I've been there done that with the massive collection with titles I never opened or watched once. I'm done with that. If I don't plan to see it 2 or more times it doesn't enter my collection. I don't have enough shelf space to waste on a rental worthy movie.

I wasn't criticizing impatience, there are certain titles that I'll pay more for as well because I want them sooner. It just isn't a physical vs digital issue so it really isn't relevant to this topic. If clutter is an issue for movies that you won't watch again you can easily sell or donate physical copies.