Videodrome (1983) coming from Arrow Video - Page 32 - Blu-ray Forum

Bravis Jacobson · 02-03-2023, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by benkell

No 4K UHD release in the US as of yet, Criterion released it on BD well over a decade ago so assuming they still have the rights you will be waiting for an upgrade from them.

Thank you.

Infallible Presence · 04-16-2023, 06:57 PM

Interesting how that Arrow 4K Limited Edition decided not to place their info on a separate sheet and instead printed printed directly on the slipcase. The only real bummer with doing that is you get the pointless rating in the corner, which kind of mucks-up the artwork. The only other Arrow release (that I own) to do that was "Django" (1966), but that was a US release. So it doesn't have the rating on the corner.

Cinematt · 04-17-2023, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Infallible Presence

Interesting how that Arrow 4K Limited Edition decided not to place their info on a separate sheet and instead printed printed directly on the slipcase. The only real bummer with doing that is you get the pointless rating in the corner, which kind of mucks-up the artwork. The only other Arrow release (that I own) to do that was "Django" (1966), but that was a US release. So it doesn't have the rating on the corner.

The old BD set was the same, I think they just did the least-work option and updated their old design. It is a shame though, now there's a little collection of Cronenberg 4Ks from them having one with the logo is annoying for displaying them together.

Evil666 · 05-08-2023, 03:46 PM

How does the 4K Arrow release picture compare to the Criterion Blu Ray? I have the Criterion Blu Ray and was considering getting the 4K Arrow release, but just was not sure if it was worth the upgrade or not. Thanks for any information.

CouncilSpectre · 05-08-2023, 03:59 PM

It’s a clear upgrade. The CC, and the previous Arrow blu were both derived from a 2K scan of the interpositive. The Arrow 4K is from a 4K scan of the OCN.

ravenus · 05-09-2023, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil666

How does the 4K Arrow release picture compare to the Criterion Blu Ray? I have the Criterion Blu Ray and was considering getting the 4K Arrow release, but just was not sure if it was worth the upgrade or not. Thanks for any information.

Comparison screens at caps-a-holic:
https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?d1=17740&d2=16254&c=6151

munin · 05-09-2023, 01:01 PM

Seems not so clear to me based on that...the Criterion seems to almost retain more detail in some scenes?

Cinematt · 05-09-2023, 01:45 PM

I think the Criterion is sharpened, blown out in the light areas, and has vastly different washed out colour that's really noticeable in the reds.
Try going to image 7, stick it on ultra zoom, and look at the group at the back of the room. You can see so much more detail in their costumes on the 4K, where the Criterion blurs a lot of the detail together. The woman with raised hands even loses the bands around her fingers (does she have finger cymbals on?) where they've been filtered away.
In the light fitting at the bottom edge of image 8 you can clearly see the finger marks in the dust on top of it on the 4K, but it's just blown out on the Criterion.
On image 11 there's some equipment in the background just in front of James Woods, follow his eyeline and you can read the 'Image Video' text really clearly on the 4K.
I'm assuming a lot of the perceived detail of the Criterion is grain that's introduced in the transfer from OCN to interpositive as every photochemical stage will add its unique fingerprint.

Bates_Motel · 05-09-2023, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by munin

Seems not so clear to me based on that...the Criterion seems to almost retain more detail in some scenes?

It should be super clear how much better the Arrow is. In literally every one of those examples, the Arrow has more detail, and a better picture overall.

Filmmaker · 05-10-2023, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by munin

Seems not so clear to me based on that...the Criterion seems to almost retain more detail in some scenes?

You must be new to this hobby, eh?

munin · 05-10-2023, 08:56 PM

I'm not new but I definitely haven't yet reached the stage where I get off from acting like a condescending prick on a message board.

Mosin-Nagant · 05-11-2023, 11:09 AM

A red filter seems to have been applied to this sequence : https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...00061&i=11&l=0

Not that it bothers me but it's still quite noticeable...

dallywhitty · 05-11-2023, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mosin-Nagant

A red filter seems to have been applied to this sequence : https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...00061&i=11&l=0

Not that it bothers me but it's still quite noticeable...

It's not a filter, it's just considerably more pronounced than the Blu-ray which looks anemic in comparison.

Cinematt · 05-11-2023, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dallywhitty

It's not a filter, it's just considerably more pronounced than the Blu-ray which looks anemic in comparison.

Yeah I'd agree. Take a look at the Civic TV logo in the windows on image 5, all the colours are much more pronounced on the 4K.
The reds are noticeably different everywhere they pop up, like the fire bell in the back corner of the room in image 8, or the screens between the cubicles in that image. On the Criterion loads of the reds just look brown/beige.

There's actually much less difference colour-wise between the Arrow 4K and the 2011 Universal disc. Both the Arrow and Criterion blus look washed out compared to either of those.

Interestingly both Arrow restorations and the Criterion were approved by Cronenberg.

Mosin-Nagant · 05-11-2023, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dallywhitty

It's not a filter, it's just considerably more pronounced than the Blu-ray which looks anemic in comparison.

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Originally Posted by Cinematt

Take a look at the Civic TV logo in the windows on image 5, all the colours are much more pronounced on the 4K. The reds are noticeably different everywhere they pop up, like the fire bell in the back corner of the room in image 8, or the screens between the cubicles in that image.

Okay, your two remarks are more relevant than mine: I'm convinced.
Sorry but, lately, I tend to see filters everywhere :

[Show spoiler]

trobrianders · 05-11-2023, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by CouncilSpectre

It’s a clear upgrade. The CC, and the previous Arrow blu were both derived from a 2K scan of the interpositive. The Arrow 4K is from a 4K scan of the OCN.

We've been incredibly lucky with Cronenberg on 4k. Crash left me feeling just as I felt when leaving a screening on original release. I watched the first 45 minutes of Naked Lunch last night and was in awe of the PQ/AQ. A different league to any of the 150 odd 4k discs I have. And we have Crimes of the Future to look forward to. I've seen the film on Sky Movies and it's top 3 Cronenberg along with Crash and Naked Lunch for me. Hopefully Second Sight will release a knockout disc too.

Cinematt · 05-11-2023, 12:11 PM

Plenty more Cronenberg 4K discs and masters popping up around the world and on digital as well so I'm sure we'll see more discs here in the future. If only The Fly wasn't a Fox title.

trobrianders · 05-11-2023, 01:17 PM

Glad to have a reason to hang on to the Criterion blu as it features a different Cronenberg commentary track which is shared with Weller, a very interesting character in his own right.

dallywhitty · 05-11-2023, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mosin-Nagant

Sorry but, lately, I tend to see filters everywhere :

[Show spoiler]

My queen.

Filmmaker · 05-12-2023, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by munin

I'm not new but I definitely haven't yet reached the stage where I get off from acting like a condescending prick on a message board.

It’s nice to have something to look forward to.

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04-16-2023, 06:57 PM	#622
Infallible Presence Expert Member Top contributor Member since:Mar 2023 4K collection:146 Blu-ray collection:815 DVD collection:690 MA collection:72 Digital collection:45 iTunes collection:51 Trading Score:2	Interesting how that Arrow 4K Limited Edition decided not to place their info on a separate sheet and instead printed printed directly on the slipcase. The only real bummer with doing that is you get the pointless rating in the corner, which kind of mucks-up the artwork. The only other Arrow release (that I own) to do that was "Django" (1966), but that was a US release. So it doesn't have the rating on the corner.

05-08-2023, 03:46 PM	#624
Evil666 Power Member Top contributor Member since:Apr 2021 4K collection:575 Blu-ray collection:1608 DVD collection:1332 Blu-ray reviews: 12	How does the 4K Arrow release picture compare to the Criterion Blu Ray? I have the Criterion Blu Ray and was considering getting the 4K Arrow release, but just was not sure if it was worth the upgrade or not. Thanks for any information.

05-08-2023, 03:59 PM	#625
CouncilSpectre Blu-ray Duke Top contributor Member since:Apr 2013 Location:United Kingdom 4K collection:628 Blu-ray collection:6367 DVD collection:1042 iTunes collection:3 Prime collection:57 Blu-ray reviews: 10 Trading Score:24	It’s a clear upgrade. The CC, and the previous Arrow blu were both derived from a 2K scan of the interpositive. The Arrow 4K is from a 4K scan of the OCN.

05-09-2023, 01:01 PM	#627
munin Member Member since:Jan 2022	Seems not so clear to me based on that...the Criterion seems to almost retain more detail in some scenes?

05-09-2023, 01:45 PM	#628
Cinematt Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2015 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:869 DVD collection:53 iTunes collection:477	I think the Criterion is sharpened, blown out in the light areas, and has vastly different washed out colour that's really noticeable in the reds. Try going to image 7, stick it on ultra zoom, and look at the group at the back of the room. You can see so much more detail in their costumes on the 4K, where the Criterion blurs a lot of the detail together. The woman with raised hands even loses the bands around her fingers (does she have finger cymbals on?) where they've been filtered away. In the light fitting at the bottom edge of image 8 you can clearly see the finger marks in the dust on top of it on the 4K, but it's just blown out on the Criterion. On image 11 there's some equipment in the background just in front of James Woods, follow his eyeline and you can read the 'Image Video' text really clearly on the 4K. I'm assuming a lot of the perceived detail of the Criterion is grain that's introduced in the transfer from OCN to interpositive as every photochemical stage will add its unique fingerprint.

05-10-2023, 08:56 PM	#631
munin Member Member since:Jan 2022	I'm not new but I definitely haven't yet reached the stage where I get off from acting like a condescending prick on a message board.

05-11-2023, 11:09 AM	#632
Mosin-Nagant Senior Member Member since:Dec 2014 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:-	A red filter seems to have been applied to this sequence : https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&...00061&i=11&l=0 Not that it bothers me but it's still quite noticeable...

05-11-2023, 12:11 PM	#637
Cinematt Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Jan 2015 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:869 DVD collection:53 iTunes collection:477	Plenty more Cronenberg 4K discs and masters popping up around the world and on digital as well so I'm sure we'll see more discs here in the future. If only The Fly wasn't a Fox title.

05-11-2023, 01:17 PM	#638
trobrianders Blu-ray Guru Member since:Mar 2019 Location:UK 4K collection:140 Blu-ray collection:3087 Blu-ray reviews:24	Glad to have a reason to hang on to the Criterion blu as it features a different Cronenberg commentary track which is shared with Weller, a very interesting character in his own right.

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