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Old 02-03-2019, 06:40 PM   #1
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Default Why isn't electronic dance music released on SACD/HDCD/DVDA?

The different electronic dance music like daft punk, armin van buuren, Tiesto, Paul Oakenfold, John Digweed, Sasha, Aphex Twin, Boards of Canada, Nick Warren, Danny Howells, Ferry Corsten not on any format better than CD or vynel.

Does it not sound any better on new formats or are those fans who still exist still streaming the hell out of Spotify?

Some EDM CD get a 4.7 or 4.8 on Discogs.
Ok Fine. EDM is declared 'Disco' in 2019.

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SACD is a format primarily supported by men in their 50s. Young people aren't as interested in it. That's why you see so much prog rock and classic album rock on SACD.

It's not likely that it would sound any better than it does on CD unless they remixed it for surround. But I don't know if it would sell well to middle aged men who like to sit in leather chairs and drink beer while they listen.
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SACD is a format primarily supported by men in their 50s. Young people aren't as interested in it. That's why you see so much prog rock and classic album rock on SACD.

It's not likely that it would sound any better than it does on CD unless they remixed it for surround. But I don't know if it would sell well to middle aged men who like to sit in leather chairs and drink beer while they listen.
I prefer to drink whiskey, bourbon, or scotch when I listen to them.
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Old 02-05-2019, 03:30 AM   #4
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actually Tiesto's 'Elements of Life' was remixed in 5.1 (DTS) and Auro 3D 11 channel sound:



Plaid's "Greedy Baby" was released on DVD with 5.1 surround sound

Orbital's "The Altogether' DVD 5.1 surround sound

Groove Armada had two albums released on SACD with surround sound.

LTJ Bukem - Planet Earth (DTS-CD 5.1)

The Crystal Method - The Legion of Boom (DVD-Audio)

Art of Noise - Daft (SACD)

Kraftwerk - Minimum-Maximum (SACD)

Moloko - Statues (SACD)

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actually Tiesto's 'Elements of Life' was remixed in 5.1 (DTS) and Auro 3D 11 channel sound:



Plaid's "Greedy Baby" was released on DVD with 5.1 surround sound

Orbital's "The Altogether' DVD 5.1 surround sound

Groove Armada had two albums released on SACD with surround sound.

LTJ Bukem - Planet Earth (DTS-CD 5.1)

The Crystal Method - The Legion of Boom (DVD-Audio)

Art of Noise - Daft (SACD)

Kraftwerk - Minimum-Maximum (SACD)

Moloko - Statues (SACD)
Yep... and how did they sell? My guess would be poorly. Most people in their teens, 20s and 30s don't buy physical music anymore. This is just a sad fact.
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And most teens don't have multichannel speaker systems
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Kraftwerk: 3D is an excellent release. Sounds fantastic in Dolby Atmos.
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Because it sucks?
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How do you dance to Kraftwerk? Like a robot?
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Old 05-03-2019, 02:47 PM   #11
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The different electronic dance music like daft punk, armin van buuren, Tiesto, Paul Oakenfold, Aphex Twin, Boards of Canada, Nick Warren, Danny Howells, Ferry Corsten not on any format better than CD or vynel.

Does it not sound any better on new formats or are those fans who still exist still streaming the hell out of Spotify?

Some EDM CD get a 4.7 or 4.8 on Discogs.
Ok Fine. EDM is declared 'Disco' in 2019.
There are a few SACDs that you may consider fall in this category: the three by Groove Armada--Vertigo, Goodbye Country Hello Nightclub, and Lovebox. Then there is the DJ Krush SACD, which is really good trip hop. Maybe some others I am forgetting at the moment.

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SACD is a format primarily supported by men in their 50s. Young people aren't as interested in it. That's why you see so much prog rock and classic album rock on SACD.
I got into SACD in my 30s. Anyone who cares about music sound quality should have supported the format. Since most audiophiles listen to classical, the bulk of SACD releases are classical, with jazz and rock probably equivalent in tying for a distant second. There is also quite a bit of what I might call world music, although that's probably not the accurate term for the genre. Jordi Savall's magnificent recordings capture classical music of the middle east and Europe, for example.

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It's not likely that it would sound any better than it does on CD unless they remixed it for surround. But I don't know if it would sell well to middle aged men who like to sit in leather chairs and drink beer while they listen.
Strongly disagree. Even early digital recordings at low bitrate, e.g., McLaughlin, Dimeola, De Lucia - Passion Grace & Fire, sound far better produced on SACD and decoded without PCM entering the equation. It's a two-channel SACD.

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Yep... and how did they sell? My guess would be poorly. Most people in their teens, 20s and 30s don't buy physical music anymore. This is just a sad fact.
It's worse than sad because the companies that have made streaming so affordable, popular and convenient (on devices they also market not coincidentally) are undermining private property rights that are actually good for consumers and artists. And even more sad because Congress has outsourced its legislative responsibilities to these companies' lobbyists, who have now basically written our laws to shield the tech goliaths. Major antitrust violations to be meted out if our lawmakers ever decide to do their real job instead of holding hearings about fake crimes and posing on various networks.
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The only advantage that SACD has as a format is multichannel. Sound quality is dependent on mastering. If the mastering is the same on SACD and CD, there is no audible difference.
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The only advantage that SACD has as a format is multichannel. Sound quality is dependent on mastering. If the mastering is the same on SACD and CD, there is no audible difference.
Strongly disagree. All other things being equal (e.g., volume level, mastering) SACD has better processing and bitrate, and if you maintain that chain faithfully in your system CD is worse. It's not a subtle difference.
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The only difference between higher data rates and a regular CD involves frequencies beyond the range of human hearing and a noise floor many times lower than the noise floor in your home. I did a direct A/B switched, line level matched blind test of an SACD and redbook with the exact same mastering. There was no audible difference.

It's all mastering. Many SACDs even have different mastering on the SACD layer than they do on the redbook layer. Also, the redbook layer is usually at a lower volume level. I suspect they do this to skew the comparison and justify the format.

If you like the mastering on a particular SACD better than the CD release, that's fine. But I haven't found any correlation between format and mastering quality. Some CDs sound better than SACDS, and vice versa.

However, hands down, multichannel makes a huge difference.
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The only advantage that SACD has as a format is multichannel. Sound quality is dependent on mastering. If the mastering is the same on SACD and CD, there is no audible difference.
No, SACD and CD are completely different animals. SACD is a 1-bit process. SACD 2-channel does generally sound better than Red Book CD if played back on a high quality system.
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No, SACD and CD are completely different animals. SACD is a 1-bit process. SACD 2-channel does generally sound better than Red Book CD if played back on a high quality system.
Yeah, the idea that CD is just as high res as SACD is analogous to DVD being as high def as blu-ray.
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A study by the Audio Engineering Society: http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=14195

Conventional wisdom asserts that the wider bandwidth and dynamic range of SACD and DVD-A make them of audibly higher quality than the CD format. A carefully controlled double-blind test with many experienced listeners showed no ability to hear any differences between formats. High-resolution audio discs were still judged to be of superior quality because sound engineers have more freedom to make them that way. There is no evidence that perceived quality has anything to do with additional resolution or bandwidth.
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Why doesn't John Digweed release Live in series or Last Night in Output in SACD or DVDA or Bluray?
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A study by the Audio Engineering Society: http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=15398

It is currently common practice for sound engineers to record digital music using high-resolution formats, and then down sample the files to 44.1kHz for commercial release. This study aims at investigating whether listeners can perceive differences between musical files recorded at 44.1kHz and 88.2kHz with the same analog chain and type of AD-converter. Sixteen expert listeners were asked to compare 3 versions (44.1kHz, 88.2kHz and the 88.2kHz version down-sampled to 44.1kHz) of 5 musical excerpts in a blind ABX task. Overall, participants were able to discriminate between files recorded at 88.2kHz and their 44.1kHz down-sampled version. Furthermore, for the orchestral excerpt, they were able to discriminate between files recorded at 88.2kHz and files recorded at 44.1kHz.

Also AmirM (folks from the format war days will DEFINITELY remember him) scored 100% on an ABX between 24/96 and 16/44.1 on three different tracks using Foobar's ABX plug-in - https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threa...fferent.15255/
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Yep... and how did they sell? My guess would be poorly. Most people in their teens, 20s and 30s don't buy physical music anymore. This is just a sad fact.
Well Tiesto's title came out some 10 years AFTER the LTJ Buken disc so can't have been too poorly.

OP, I definitely recommend the LTJ Bukem and the Crystal Method discs if you're looking for surround, both have enjoyable 5.1 mixes.
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