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Old 01-13-2018, 06:59 AM   #221
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The Hisense U7 & U9 only support Dolby Vision and HDR10 according to PRNewswire.
https://twitter.com/DanielBa78/statu...77412757254144
Well that settles it then. If hdr10+ couldn't get hisenss on board the format is toast.
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Old 01-18-2018, 08:29 PM   #222
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JUSTICE LEAGUE confirmed to have Dolby Vision on its UHD disc.

















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Old 01-18-2018, 11:43 PM   #223
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JUSTICE LEAGUE confirmed to have Dolby Vision on its UHD disc.
I wouldn't be bragging about that. Have you actually seen Justice League, it's quite hard to sit through.
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Old 01-19-2018, 12:02 AM   #224
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I wouldn't be bragging about that. Have you actually seen Justice League, it's quite hard to sit through.
Itís actually quite easy. Itís at worst a mediocre action adventure. If youíre not cynical, itís easy entertainment.
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Old 01-19-2018, 01:04 AM   #225
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Apart from manufacturers trying to save a few dollars on their bill of Material, just wondering why there is any consumer interest in HDR10+ ?
Is it for people who will never expect to have a DV path in their systems in the future?
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Old 01-19-2018, 01:18 AM   #226
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Way I see it, the only potential upside for consumers with having both Dolby Vision and HDR10+ competing on the market, is if a majority of TVs are capable of displaying both. Otherwise it really just comes down to which side your particular display supports, and the content available therein, effectively making for a dynamic metadata format war.

Looking at things in the long-term, honestly it would be best if the market could just decide on a single standard for dynamic metadata, and then pushing for that one standard to be applied for any material mastered with dynamic metadata in mind. I guess HDR10+ being royalty-free might help it in the long run (dat bottom line yo), especially if it can produce results comparable to or as good as Dolby Vision mastered content.

I guess the underlying issue lies with the fact that HDR in general is lacking any formalized standards on best practices on how to apply it, as well as the technology constantly evolving, and thus we're seeing a wild west with everyone jumping on the HDR bandwagon and pretty much just learning as they're going along.

On the upside, at least HDR10 is starting to find its place, and you can rest assured that whether or not what you're watching is Dolby Vision or HDR10+ compatible, you'll be able to watch HDR10 content just fine anyway.

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Old 01-19-2018, 07:49 AM   #227
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I wouldn't be bragging about that. Have you actually seen Justice League, it's quite hard to sit through.
I think you missed the point of my post.

Itís a Warner title.

Whom apparently were no longer going to release DV titles on disc.

It was just a harmless jest.
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Old 01-19-2018, 01:01 PM   #228
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Apart from manufacturers trying to save a few dollars on their bill of Material, just wondering why there is any consumer interest in HDR10+ ?
Is it for people who will never expect to have a DV path in their systems in the future?
Nah - actually recently I believe it has been revealed that new HDR10+ sets will be able to read DV metadata and convert to HDR10+ on the fly, essentially. If this ends up happening all HDR10+ owners will have a path to DV, but not necessarily the other way around. Anyway, you could ask the reverse question - are those who are resistant to HDR10+ only resistant because bought an expensive DV set with no path to HDR10+?

There are a couple of reasons some feel HDR10+ is the overall better choice:

First, it does the same thing as DV. It uses a different method but gets to the same result. While some could argue DV is 12bit, this is more a spec sheet difference as in terms of PQ there is no noticeable difference with 10bit with real world material. The main improvement you see with DV is the dynamic metadata, and HDR10+ has this covered.

Second, it is cheaper to implement than DV both in hardware and software. This means that it leaves more room for lower prices for consumers and perhaps greater penetration in the market over time. Take a look at the tiny percentage of DV discs vs HDR10 - the cost of DV definitely plays a role in how few UHDBDs actually have DV. With HDR10+, we could see a surge in discs with dynamic metadata once it gets off the ground - to the extent where HDR10 is eventually completely replaced by HDR10+. If you want more dynamic metadata on disc, you should be supporting HDR10+.

Lastly and perhaps most importantly, HDR10+ is an open standard. Many are fans of open standards and do not like closed standards like DV. When an open standard does the same thing as a closed standard, many will support the open standard first out of principal.

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Old 01-19-2018, 03:28 PM   #229
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Nah - actually recently I believe it has been revealed that new HDR10+ sets will be able to read DV metadata and convert to HDR10+ on the fly, essentially. If this ends up happening all HDR10+ owners will have a path to DV, but not necessarily the other way around. Anyway, you could ask the reverse question - are those who are resistant to HDR10+ only resistant because bought an expensive DV set with no path to HDR10+?
Source for this info
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Old 01-19-2018, 03:30 PM   #230
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Yeah no, HDR10+ sets won't be able to do anything with Dolby Vision metadata unless they have Dolby Vision.

Kinda negates the only positive HDR10+ has, which is smaller fees. It'd be great if there was a player and a display of note that could do it all, but Samsung is really the only one that can make waves and they're not going Dobly Vision at all so don't get your hopes up.

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Old 01-19-2018, 03:54 PM   #231
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Old 01-19-2018, 05:11 PM   #232
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Nah - actually recently I believe it has been revealed that new HDR10+ sets will be able to read DV metadata and convert to HDR10+ on the fly, essentially.
HeatEquation posted that where?
Simply not true.
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Old 01-19-2018, 11:46 PM   #233
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I think you missed the point of my post.

It’s a Warner title.

Whom apparently were no longer going to release DV titles on disc.

It was just a harmless jest.
Funny, my comment was also a harmless jest.

Warner announced Dolby Vision on disc a while ago. I just assumed that they'd continue to release DV discs, even after they start to put out some HDR10+ discs. Warner Bros. is mixing it up. I want dynamic metadata on every UHD disc, and I think Warner is moving towards that direction, so I'm pleased. I wanted to like Justice League much more than I actually liked it. Gal Gadot was the best part...hava nagila!
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Old 01-20-2018, 12:14 AM   #234
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Sometimes I feel like an outsider being on this forum and not caring at all about HDR10, DV, HDR10+, bits, nits, etc.

I'll just throw the movie in and watch it.
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Old 01-20-2018, 12:58 AM   #235
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That's not the first time you've posted such sentiments IIRC. What do you want, a pat on the back? You're on an enthusiast's forum so people sure as shit are gonna get enthusiastic about ALL this paraphernalia. Perhaps you could start your own forum at illjustthrowthemovieinandwatchit.com? Gonna be some short-assed threads though with no-one actually, y'know, discussing anything.
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Old 01-20-2018, 01:05 AM   #236
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Seems to me that if tvs could read DV to convert them, that would either be stealing the Metadata without paying the licenses or they actually paid the licenses to be able to read it in order to convert it. Thankfully people who post such idiotic ramblings no longer post here.
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Old 01-20-2018, 01:07 AM   #237
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People who repeat such idiotic ramblings are still here though.
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Old 01-20-2018, 08:31 AM   #238
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This ain't America son, it's the The Internet™. No-one said you can't have an opinion but come on: you've come into a thread specifically intended for discussing HDR10+ and associated nerdy off-topicery just to say "I don't care about any of this". You've done it in movie 4K threads before and I can almost understand that, moaning about it in there because it takes away from the discussion about the movie or whatever, but here you've gone out of your way to threadcrap so don't be surprised if you get any pushback.

[edit] And now I see that Rusty's follow up posts and a few others related to it have disappeared. Not sure it really needed reporting but the threads's a bit cleaner for it I guess.

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Old 01-22-2018, 08:05 PM   #239
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What movies are playing on the displays under the WB and Fox logos? Can anyone tell?

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Old 01-22-2018, 08:23 PM   #240
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What movies are playing on the displays under the WB and Fox logos? Can anyone tell?

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Fox is definitely Kingsman: The Golden Circle. And I believe Warner is King:Arthur: Legend of the Sword.
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