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Old 01-20-2022, 06:20 PM   #361
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That could also have to do with the fact that the US has a population of 333 million and Portugal's is about 10 million.

Also, most movies are shown dubbed in Europe. Portuguese is a huge language, and Disney+ has Portuguese dubs available, so that might not be a problem at all.
Disney+ isn't a theater. And whether they dub them or forced subtitles in the local language, it doesn't change that characters are speaking English when they shouldn't and it's about the intended audience. Mandarin is just as big as English with far more native speakers, yet Shang-Chi has scenes with characters speaking English when they shouldn't have. Black Widow is the same with Russian.

In every instance, it has nothing to do with the movie or the in-world rules, but the audience.
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Old 01-20-2022, 07:12 PM   #362
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Most movies worldwide are made in the language that people speak there, it has been that way for 100 years.

What does it have to do with the 3D version of the movie? If you want to get the 3D blu-ray you can get it and if you don't want, that's that.

Seems simple enough.
It was you, Jlardonio, and 3eccaTron that started this, so go ask yourself why you started going off on something that didn't involve the 3D.

Seems simple enough.
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Old 01-20-2022, 07:19 PM   #363
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The only reason some people are wondering about non-English dialogue is because this is going to be a Japanese import, so usually with Japanese blu-rays, the subtitles have been all-or-nothing, which some people don't like.
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Old 01-20-2022, 07:56 PM   #364
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Actually just remembered in Captain Marvel she asks the security guard. “Can you understand me, is my universal translator working?” Meaning that to her knowledge the chip also allows one to speak in another person’s language so they can understand you without having the implant themselves.
I wasn't sure if that was honest dialogue. Given the character and dry sarcasm, I took it as being an alternative version of Sam Jackson's bit about speaking English in Pulp Fiction.

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Let's solve this. They speak English because general audiences don't like reading subtitles and has little to do with any in-world explanation or lack thereof. It would also alienate younger audiences or those that have difficulty reading. It's why in Black Panther and Shang-Chi they all speak English to each other when there's no need, instead of their own language; it's why the Celestials and Eternals spoke English to each other thousands of years before it was ever created and why after 26 movies spanning thousands of years and the entire multiverse you just need to roll with it.
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Disney+ isn't a theater. And whether they dub them or forced subtitles in the local language, it doesn't change that characters are speaking English when they shouldn't and it's about the intended audience. Mandarin is just as big as English with far more native speakers, yet Shang-Chi has scenes with characters speaking English when they shouldn't have. Black Widow is the same with Russian.

In every instance, it has nothing to do with the movie or the in-world rules, but the audience.
Yep, Disney trying to pander to China by having forced Chinese dialogue in it was almost certainly why that happened. Amusingly, China wasn't amused by it. As for English in Shang Chi, The Mandarin does tell Shang Chi to train his brain by speaking English.

On one hand, the Eternals pulled a MiB and were aliens who invented much of earth's innovation. On the other, they could have just taught humanity English from the get-go and created a unified culture + language. But, like the Eternals being sent to earth with bodies looking like humans who did not yet exist, I'll chalk it up to get another oversight of a movie whose director wanted to tell a short story but got saddled with having to find a way to stretch it out over 7,000 years.

If not for a few of the 3D shots, I'd say that this movie could have stayed entirely in the modern era.
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Old 01-20-2022, 08:20 PM   #365
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Human beings definitely existed in this planet 7,000 years ago.
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Hollow Erf?
I'm not sure what you're driving at, but it reminds me of Journey to the Center of the Earth, which was a much more fun 3D film than was this one.
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Human beings definitely existed in this planet 7,000 years ago.
Definitley, but I guess they didn't look like Angelina Jolie and Salma Hayek
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Old 01-24-2022, 01:59 PM   #369
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Definitley, but I guess they didn't look like Angelina Jolie and Salma Hayek
But how would you really know, though, if you weren't there?
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Old 01-25-2022, 12:20 PM   #370
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I have not seen this film yet. So there will be an English audio track, and apparently everyone speaks English in the film. But what about the alien languages, etc - usually that's accompanied by a forced subtitle track for alien dialogue, but this disc won't have forced English as a subtitle option. So do those parts appear embedded in the video, or is that going to be an issue? On other formats, does that dialogue appear embedded or does it rely on a forced subtitle track?
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I have not seen this film yet. So there will be an English audio track, and apparently everyone speaks English in the film. But what about the alien languages, etc - usually that's accompanied by a forced subtitle track for alien dialogue, but this disc won't have forced English as a subtitle option. So do those parts appear embedded in the video, or is that going to be an issue? On other formats, does that dialogue appear embedded or does it rely on a forced subtitle track?
The 3D discs from Japan are all the same for the last 3 MCU movies. You either have to turn subtitles on and off as needed for any language subs or watch the entire film with subtitles on. There are no burnt in subtitles.
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Old 01-28-2022, 02:03 PM   #372
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DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     MARVEL STUDIOS' ETERNALS - ULTRA HD™
Disc Size:      63,022,249,509 bytes
Protection:     AACS2
Extras:         Ultra HD, BD-Java
BDInfo:         0.7.5.6

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00800.MPLS
Length:                 2:35:50.299 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   59,788,204,992 bytes
Total Bitrate:          51.15 Mbps

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Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
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MPEG-H HEVC Video       37289 kbps          2160p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 10 bits / HDR10 / BT.2020

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Dolby TrueHD/Atmos Audio        English         5036 kbps       7.1 / 48 kHz /  4396 kbps / 24-bit (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz /   640 kbps / DN -27dB)
Dolby Digital Audio             English         320 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz /   320 kbps / DN -27dB
Dolby Digital Plus Audio        French          1024 kbps       7.1 / 48 kHz /  1024 kbps / DN -27dB (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz /   576 kbps / DN -27dB)
DTS Audio                       Spanish         1509 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 24-bit / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Plus Audio        German          1024 kbps       7.1 / 48 kHz /  1024 kbps / DN -27dB (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz /   576 kbps / DN -27dB)
Dolby Digital Plus Audio        Italian         1024 kbps       7.1 / 48 kHz /  1024 kbps / DN -27dB (AC3 Embedded: 5.1 / 48 kHz /   576 kbps / DN -27dB)

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Presentation Graphics           French          22.529 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         24.649 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           German          23.809 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Italian         25.833 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Dutch           24.851 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Danish          22.620 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Finnish         27.026 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Norwegian       24.014 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Swedish         23.515 kbps                     
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Presentation Graphics           Spanish         1.292 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           German          1.152 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           Italian         1.286 kbps
Looks like the 3D disc will need the good old English translation subtitle file.
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Looks like the 3D disc will need the good old English translation subtitle file.
Annoying but entirely in line with expectations. However, there will be a full English subtitle track on the disc as usual, so it's not like you won't be able to have subs at all.

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It doesn't "need" the English translation subtitle file, that's just another option.
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Looks like the 3D disc will need the good old English translation subtitle file.
I don't get it: what does the 4K USA/UE disc have to do with the japanese 3D disc?
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I don't get it: what does the 4K USA/UE disc have to do with the japanese 3D disc?
Nothing, I think he was just showing that there is a separate English subtitle track on it for just the foreign dialogue, which there won't be on the Japanese 3D disc.

Of course, anyone reading this thread would have known that already, given that there are pages and pages of discussion on that subject and it's flagged in the very first post
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According to the trailer I`m pretty sure this will be a wonderful experience on Blu-ray 3D. I also like the slower, more thoughtful scenes and storytelling. This is where the 3D effects will shine.
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Has there been any confirmation of imax scenes in this one? The 4k disc does NOT have them whereas Imax-enhanced is offered on Disney+….obviously, Black Widow had the imax scenes in the 3D version but that was before “imax-enhanced” launched on Disney+….so did I miss the confirmation or has there not been one yet?
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Has there been any confirmation of imax scenes in this one? The 4k disc does NOT have them whereas Imax-enhanced is offered on Disney+….obviously, Black Widow had the imax scenes in the 3D version but that was before “imax-enhanced” launched on Disney+….so did I miss the confirmation or has there not been one yet?
No confirmation either way yet.
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Has there been any confirmation of imax scenes in this one? The 4k disc does NOT have them whereas Imax-enhanced is offered on Disney+….obviously, Black Widow had the imax scenes in the 3D version but that was before “imax-enhanced” launched on Disney+….so did I miss the confirmation or has there not been one yet?
We won’t have confirmation of IMAX scenes until someone gets a look at the backcover. MovieNEX releases with IMAX scenes include a blurb in Japanese specifying that the 3D Blu-ray has shifting aspect ratios.

The backcover of Black Widow uploaded to Amazon.co.jp about month before release, that’s how we confirmed. But Shang-Chi didn’t upload its backcover at all, so we didn’t have confirmation it didn’t have the IMAX aspect ratio until release day and someone had it in their hands and uploaded a photo. So we may not know what the IMAX situation is with Eternals until release day.

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