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Old 03-14-2017, 03:51 AM   #241
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It wouldn't be a matter of just "turning the yellow down." You color time based on reference and research.

If any changes to the master are needed, it would need to be done by looking at actual original reference prints and other reliable materials. This is apparently what Cineteca Bologna already did, so what now? What if US and Italian prints simply differ? Which one is reference?

Looking at caps of the Italian edition online, the yellow tint is there, just at a lower saturation level. Maybe something happened in mastering between the restoration's 4K master and the Blu-Ray. But you don't just fiddle with the colors unless you want to make a bigger mess.
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But you don't just fiddle with the colors unless you want to make a bigger mess.
I take it you're not familiar with other work by L'Immagine Ritrovata.
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Old 03-14-2017, 04:41 AM   #243
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4K remaster vs old BD
That comparison only shows that they're both very wrong but at opposite extremes.

The comparisons below are much more helpful in demonstrating how bad the 4K really is when compared with an original release IB tech 35mm print:

http://imgur.com/a/uiBBI
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http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/110787
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Old 03-14-2017, 05:18 AM   #244
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That comparison only shows that they're both very wrong but at opposite extremes.
Yeah the truth is often in the middle on this stuff. Aliens was more teal originally than people think, but probably not as teal as the BD. Jurassic Park was warmer theatrically than the BD is, but probably not as warm as the 3D disc. This movie was never as yellow as the BD, but it was more yellow than people think, judging by film cells.
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Old 03-14-2017, 11:22 AM   #245
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My #1 favorite film of all time. So glad to finally get the theatrical cut on Blu-ray. Anyone have any idea when one can pre-order it?
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Old 03-14-2017, 01:23 PM   #246
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What did he say about it?
Nothing. Which isn't a good sign.
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So here's a for instance.

Suppose Kino say to MGM "We're not sure that this 'yellow' restoration is accurate, and we'd like to have a go at correcting it. And MGM say "Fine, we can arrange access to the original materials".

And two weeks later Kino post to say "We've had a look, and the MGM colours are correct"?
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Old 03-14-2017, 03:28 PM   #248
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I take it you're not familiar with other work by L'Immagine Ritrovata.
Indeed. If they are using reference materials then it appears that every single film Ritrovita has restored in recent times has the same low-gamma piss-stained look no matter who/where/when it was shot. Funny that.
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Old 03-14-2017, 04:05 PM   #249
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A couple of Ritrovita employees preparing for their next colour restoration.

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Old 03-14-2017, 04:19 PM   #250
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A couple of Ritrovita employees preparing for their next colour restoration.

They need to drink more fluids if it's that yellow...
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Old 03-14-2017, 04:56 PM   #251
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They need to drink more fluids if it's that yellow...
I hear Mountain Dew is big in Italy.
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Old 03-14-2017, 05:04 PM   #252
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It wouldn't be a matter of just "turning the yellow down." You color time based on reference and research.

If any changes to the master are needed, it would need to be done by looking at actual original reference prints and other reliable materials. This is apparently what Cineteca Bologna already did, so what now? What if US and Italian prints simply differ? Which one is reference?

Looking at caps of the Italian edition online, the yellow tint is there, just at a lower saturation level. Maybe something happened in mastering between the restoration's 4K master and the Blu-Ray. But you don't just fiddle with the colors unless you want to make a bigger mess.
Somehow I just don't see any film save gialli having yellow or blue eyes, snow or clouds as being original intent. Every studio has an example of this egregious color blanketing crap that just happens to fall in line with the way the majority of current film color palettes are. The idea that studios are trying to retroactively have their old films suit current (assumed) taste in a desperate effort to get mainstream audiences to buy in is more than plausible. It's akin to the silly notion that slightly remixing Beatle songs will attract millennials. Desperate corporate lunacy.

Regardless, at the very least I'm looking forward to the original cut without any audio fudging. As for the clear blue skies...Time will tell
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That comparison only shows that they're both very wrong but at opposite extremes.

The comparisons below are much more helpful in demonstrating how bad the 4K really is when compared with an original release IB tech 35mm print:

http://imgur.com/a/uiBBI
http://imgur.com/a/eBJdO

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/110787
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/110851
Thank you so much for this post. I had never seen those 35mm scans before. They really show how the film is warmer than the previous DVD-era masters, but not to the detriment of the other colors, like the current Blu-ray.
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Old 03-14-2017, 06:43 PM   #254
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My pleasure.

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Old 03-14-2017, 10:35 PM   #255
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Thank you so much for this post. I had never seen those 35mm scans before. They really show how the film is warmer than the previous DVD-era masters, but not to the detriment of the other colors, like the current Blu-ray.
Yeah, and the sky is blue in the IB print, not grey.
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Yeah, and the sky is blue in the IB print, not grey.
sometimes it's purple. Maybe none of them are correct
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sometimes it's purple. Maybe none of them are correct
The older Mondo restoration is both correct and beautiful.
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The older Mondo restoration is both correct and beautiful.
You're right, the Mondo looks the best. Why can't they use that master?
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You're right, the Mondo looks the best. Why can't they use that master?
Because Kino are dealing with MGM and not Mondo.
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You're right, the Mondo looks the best. Why can't they use that master?
I just imported it and added the English track. Had to edit it slightly to conform to the original mono of the US cut, but I have a perfect version now.

Unfortunately, the new remasters of For a Few Dollars More (and presumably Fistful of Dollars) also have a similar incorrect color grading, so the German region-free double disc set is still the one to get for both of those films.

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