The Official Dynaudio Speakers Thread

[Spurrier Sucks]

Originally Posted by Twm1988

Harman Kardon AVR347,... but hopefully in the next couple months an Anthem MRX520.

By "cuts out the sub entirely" I meant just for the front L/R,... the center channel and surround that are set to small still have the sub take over from their crossover point. Just incase that was confusing

With the Anthem you will be able to run mains full with a sub. At least I think my 500 can do that.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Twm1988

Harman Kardon AVR347,... but hopefully in the next couple months an Anthem MRX520.

By "cuts out the sub entirely" I meant just for the front L/R,... the center channel and surround that are set to small still have the sub take over from their crossover point. Just incase that was confusing

You can play music with the L/R and sub at the same time refer to manual photos below. Looks like you may have to press the "Stereo" button more then once to enter such mode.

[Twm1988]

Originally Posted by callas01

You can play music with the L/R and sub at the same time refer to manual photos below. Looks like you may have to press the "Stereo" button more then once to enter such mode.

Yes your right, I messed around in the OSD menu a little more and it is working with the L/R set to Large and the Sub is set to "L/R+SubLFE"

Awesome, thanks Callas.

I think I will try it this way with music for a while and see how I like it, for movies though I will take your suggestion and go with 80Hz crossover for the front L/R to get the proper punch and impact.

[Twm1988]

Man, just have to say I'm loving these X14's. This is the first speaker I've had where I don't want to stop listening to them, I have to pull myself away lol!

Was a little worried about how intelligible dialogue in movies would be because with 2ch music I the vocals are presented a bit farther back in the mix than my RC Mini's presented them. But it's no problem, I've been really impressed with the clarity and articulation that the Dyn's have when I use one of the X14's as an upright center channel. Background information and presence that is muddy and clouded with the Energy's is now so easy to pick out and presented in deeper layers. Looking forward to getting the center channel in the next little while.

I will be trying to get my dealers demo model X24 for an in-home demo either the last week of July or the first week of August. Then I can see if it has enough output, or if I will need to go for the X28. If I think the X24 will do, I'll also get a proper pair of stands with what i'll save over the X28.

Also saw a picture of the Special 40 from one of the shows on my dealers Facebook page,... maybe he'll get a pair in for demo, I'd love to hear them or the Contour 20's sometime just to see! Something interesting as well, I see my dealer is now going to be carrying Scansonic's.

[Spurrier Sucks]

Originally Posted by Twm1988

Man, just have to say I'm loving these X14's. This is the first speaker I've had where I don't want to stop listening to them, I have to pull myself away lol!

Was a little worried about how intelligible dialogue in movies would be because with 2ch music I the vocals are presented a bit farther back in the mix than my RC Mini's presented them. But it's no problem, I've been really impressed with the clarity and articulation that the Dyn's have when I use one of the X14's as an upright center channel. Background information and presence that is muddy and clouded with the Energy's is now so easy to pick out and presented in deeper layers. Looking forward to getting the center channel in the next little while.

I will be trying to get my dealers demo model X24 for an in-home demo either the last week of July or the first week of August. Then I can see if it has enough output, or if I will need to go for the X28. If I think the X24 will do, I'll also get a proper pair of stands with what i'll save over the X28.

Also saw a picture of the Special 40 from one of the shows on my dealers Facebook page,... maybe he'll get a pair in for demo, I'd love to hear them or the Contour 20's sometime just to see! Something interesting as well, I see my dealer is now going to be carrying Scansonic's.

From my experience I like the bass of the Dyns better compared to the SS but I do like that ribbon tweeter.

[Twm1988]

Originally Posted by Spurrier Sucks

From my experience I like the bass of the Dyns better compared to the SS but I do like that ribbon tweeter.

So you still like the C20's better overall though? Still an upgrade over the MB's?

By the time I go in to grab the X24 for a home demo, I think he should have one of the Scansonic's in for demo, possibly the MB2.5 according to their Facebook page. I am considering if I should take a listen to them just to see if I like them. The MB1's would be an option I think.

[Spurrier Sucks]

Originally Posted by Twm1988

So you still like the C20's better overall though? Still an upgrade over the MB's?

By the time I go in to grab the X24 for a home demo, I think he should have one of the Scansonic's in for demo, possibly the MB2.5 according to their Facebook page. I am considering if I should take a listen to them just to see if I like them. The MB1's would be an option I think.

Yes I like the C20 better overall. The 2.5 was a great speaker. I liked those more than my Forest they replaced. I think Dyns may fit me better with the music I like. It's possible I could end up with MB1 or 2.5 again to use for HT since I still have my center.

[Twm1988]

Originally Posted by Spurrier Sucks

Yes I like the C20 better overall. The 2.5 was a great speaker. I liked those more than my Forest they replaced. I think Dyns may fit me better with the music I like. It's possible I could end up with MB1 or 2.5 again to use for HT since I still have my center.

Interesting, they must be excellent speakers then.

I see they also have a less expensive 'M' line as well. The M5 or M6 look interesting too... do you know how the M line compares with the MB's?

[Spurrier Sucks]

Originally Posted by Twm1988

Interesting, they must be excellent speakers then.

I see they also have a less expensive 'M' line as well. The M5 or M6 look interesting too... do you know how the M line compares with the MB's?

Haven't heard the M series but have been told they are crap. Again I haven't heard them.

[Twm1988]

Originally Posted by Spurrier Sucks

Haven't heard the M series but have been told they are crap. Again I haven't heard them.

Well, just out of curiosity I will have a quick listen to whichever MB's my dealer has in when I go to pickup the X24 for an in-home demo at the end of the month. At the very least just so I can say I have heard them.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Twm1988

Well, just out of curiosity I will have a quick listen to whichever MB's my dealer has in when I go to pickup the X24 for an in-home demo at the end of the month. At the very least just so I can say I have heard them.

Like John said the M series is supposed to be pretty bad. The MB line was designed by michael borlesson who was responsible for Raidho speakers also. He along with Lars (Raidho founder) had sold Raidho to dantax radio company who originally owned the scansonic line but when they bought Raidho they commissioned an inexpensive scansonic speaker designed by michael. Neither michael or Lars are with the company any longer.

I thought the MBs were nice speakers also. I had about 3 listening sessions with them so I have much less experience with them then john. Never felt like moving on from my Focus with anything I heard, the Raidhos perhaps... But the cheapest ones were way outta my budget.

[Twm1988]

Originally Posted by callas01

Like John said the M series is supposed to be pretty bad. The MB line was designed by michael borlesson who was responsible for Raidho speakers also. He along with Lars (Raidho founder) had sold Raidho to dantax radio company who originally owned the scansonic line but when they bought Raidho they commissioned an inexpensive scansonic speaker designed by michael. Neither michael or Lars are with the company any longer.

I thought the MBs were nice speakers also. I had about 3 listening sessions with them so I have much less experience with them then john. Never felt like moving on from my Focus with anything I heard, the Raidhos perhaps... But the cheapest ones were way outta my budget.

Yeah, review's on the M line seem to be decent but nothing special. It would be the MB I would have a listen to anyway, it's the only model my dealer will have in. MB's seem to be praised for their smoothness and laidback type of sound. I may not like them all that much if they are more laidback and smoothed over than the X14's.

The X14's to me have the perfect blend of detail, attack, liveliness and still engaging even though they are not as forward as my Energy's were. They seem to give you a good amount of excitement, but stop just short of becoming harsh and fatiguing like the Energy's do. I'm enjoying them quite a bit... will be interesting to see how much more I can squeeze out of the X14's with an Anthem MRX520 powering them

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Twm1988

Yeah, review's on the M line seem to be decent but nothing special. It would be the MB I would have a listen to anyway, it's the only model my dealer will have in. MB's seem to be praised for their smoothness and laidback type of sound. I may not like them all that much if they are more laidback and smoothed over than the X14's.

The X14's to me have the perfect blend of detail, attack, liveliness and still engaging even though they are not as forward as my Energy's were. They seem to give you a good amount of excitement, but stop just short of becoming harsh and fatiguing like the Energy's do. I'm enjoying them quite a bit... will be interesting to see how much more I can squeeze out of the X14's with an Anthem MRX520 powering them

I found the MBs to be more laidback. The bass is good but a little bit of a bump to it. The detail is pretty good in the mids tho.

[Saiph]

Hello and thanks for your support on this forum
I would like to create a audio system 2.1 channels that will work above all as a kind of HT for HD movie viewing and FPS Gaming but also sometimes play a bit of music like soundtracks and other genres such as pop, rock, the room measures 172.22 ft² and speakers will be used in a desktop solution so they will be positioned at a rather close distance, in this regard I thought of a pair of Dynaudio Emit M10 or the Excite X14 event that would fit in for that purpose but being 100% unsure of the results I could get and having not yet done any listening test I would like to propose for Emit, I read a number of arguments regarding the various correspondences between amplifiers and loudspeakers but it still seems to hide some unknowns, first of all I would like to know if these loudspeakers might be good for desktop use and if the integration of a NAD 356BEE with any DAC turns out to be a good one correspondence. The sound that I prefer is absolutely not analytical but quite balanced and consistent with a substantial but controlled low, the fund voices is what interests me most, looking for a faithful reproduction but not overly bright and fatigue as well as also high frequencies but showing no harshness or hissing, especially I like a balanced sound but at the same time with a good punch, scenic presence and airiness to create that 3D effect that I seek. I intend to place the loudspeakers on the stand and not directly on the desktop, not what to choose between Emit M10 and Excite X14 for watching movies I also thought of an active solution like Genelec but I do not think active monitors can be a good choice for HT use, I believe their flat response is more Suitable for mixing and creating musical tracks. I do not know yet which subwoofer to integrate but I think the Tzero or T/5i might be a good choice

Thanks for the help and excuse me for my bad English

[Twm1988]

Hey Saiph,

I have pretty good experience with both the Emit M10/20 and Excite X14's. I demo'ed both the Emit and Excite at my dealers, and then had an in-home demo of the Emit's. I ended up choosing the Excite X14's for my HT setup which I use 80% movies and 20% music. The Excites do everything that the Emit's do but at a higher level, and they also seem much more engaging to me and have a more enjoyable and entertaining presentation while still being very balanced and neutral. I would say they are one of the farthest speakers from being analytical, while still giving you a ton of detail.

To me the Excite X14's have a near perfect balance and they produce airy and detailed enough high's without becoming harsh or fatiguing. The air and space between instruments is quite nice and the presence and spatial presentation is very strong too. Vocals are very clear too. At the same time they also have a nice engaging sound with some "punch" as you said you like. The Emit's didn't seem to have the same energy to them on more lively or aggressive music. The depth and width of the soundstage really create a nice 3D effect in my setup with them run by a mid level AV receiver.

The low end and bass that the X14's produce is some of the best controlled and tightest I have heard, besides some studio monitor speakers. They can give you a nice low frequency foundation for most music that is not extremely bass heavy.

NAD seem to be a great match with Dynaudio speakers, so I think your 356BEE will partner up very well with either the Emit's or Excites.

As far as desktop or nearfield listening, I can't really help you with that, but I don't see any reason why they wouldn't work well in that type of setup.

From what you describe you prefer in sound presentation, the X14's seem like a perfect match to that description. They were almost twice the price of the Emit M10's for me, but I have no regrets about going with the X14's and would never trade them back for the Emit's personally.

Also, just a side note, my X14's sounded pretty good out of the box but were a little congested and hazy sounding for the fist 75-100 hours of break-in. The depth and spatial presentation is missing a little bit until you get up around 150 hours on them. After you get up over 150-175 hours on them the vocal's and overall clarity will REALLY come through quite nicely and the depth/spatial presentation increased quite a bit for me. I liked them from the beginning, but after 150-175 hours I was seriously blown away by them.

[Saiph]

Great big thanks for your explanation makes my choice easier and I think the Excite X14 might be the right speakers for me, as you said Excite has a traditional Dynaudio sound but with more quality and precision than the Emit model, now I just have to think to which amplifier to pair to take advantage of all the potentialities of these dynaudio bookshelf, I know that there is a need for a good quality and powerful energy, I was thinking of some type A energy class solutions or opting for a hybrid valve amplifier, and then I still have to consider what type of subwoofer is appropriate to integrate looking for advice again

Best Regards

[Twm1988]

Originally Posted by Saiph

Great big thanks for your explanation makes my choice easier and I think the Excite X14 might be the right speakers for me, as you said Excite has a traditional Dynaudio sound but with more quality and precision than the Emit model, now I just have to think to which amplifier to pair to take advantage of all the potentialities of these dynaudio bookshelf, I know that there is a need for a good quality and powerful energy, I was thinking of some type A energy class solutions or opting for a hybrid valve amplifier, and then I still have to consider what type of subwoofer is appropriate to integrate looking for advice again

Best Regards

Yes a better amplifier will get more out of the speakers, however I think the Excite line was designed to match well to even mid-priced AV receiver's, and they are not a difficult load either. 8 Ohm impedance for the X14's, but the sensitivity is a little lower than average.

My AV receiver powers my X14's just fine and only needs to be turned up a few notches more than my previous speakers to get the same volume level, and my previous speakers were pretty easy to drive. I only have experience with AV receivers though, never owned any integrated amps or valve/tube amps so again can't help you much with those.

I use two subwoofers with my setup, a 10" Mirage and a 12" Paradigm. I have found that a 60Hz crossover from the X14's to the Sub works fine for music and I have no trouble getting them to blend together to the point that you can't tell where the X14's leave off and the Sub takes over. I also run the X14's full range with the sub also playing up to 80Hz and either way they match up really well.

For a great bang for buck subwoofer, you could take a look at HSU Subwoofers. I believe they are internet direct only, but they have excellent price to performance sub's. Not sure if you are looking for more of a compact subwoofer for your setup... the entry level HSU is the 10" VTF-1 MK3 ($400 USD, before shipping) and is it 18.5" tall, 14.5" wide, and 17" deep.

Paradigm's 8" Monitor Series Sub 8 is a bit more expensive than the HSU, but it measures only 10.5" each dimension, so much more compact.

RSL's 10" Speedwoofer 10S ($400 USD) is another well reviewed model, it's 15" x 16" x 17".

SVS's 12" SB-1000 ($500 USD) is another and measure about 13.5" each dimension.

Other than that you can probably find some other compact subs with Google.

[Saiph]

Another important thing I forgot to say is that I need to listen to the movies even in the night and I need to listen to every detail even at low volume, so I think a high quality current amplifier can give me a dynamic and a correct reproduction of all of it frequency range as if it were in use some kind of loudness. I would like a compact yet energetic subwoofer with a good punch, articulate and agile bass, maybe a pneumatic suspension solution could dampen those annoying vibrations or resonance and give me a more natural response

Thanks for your interest

[Twm1988]

Originally Posted by Saiph

Another important thing I forgot to say is that I need to listen to the movies even in the night and I need to listen to every detail even at low volume, so I think a high quality current amplifier can give me a dynamic and a correct reproduction of all of it frequency range as if it were in use some kind of loudness. I would like a compact yet energetic subwoofer with a good punch, articulate and agile bass, maybe a pneumatic suspension solution could dampen those annoying vibrations or resonance and give me a more natural response

Thanks for your interest

I have had to do some quiet listening late at night too, I have never had any issues with clarity or hearing everything in the mix at low volumes with the X14's. I think some of the older Dynaudio models that had lower impedance and lower sensitivity may have needed a lot of current even for low level listening, but I have no complaints with my X14's

Another compact sub I found, just something to consider. It's very small but only has a 6" woofer. Stated that it goes down to 32Hz though so not too bad at all. Should be very quick and tight! https://totemacoustic.com/en/kin-min...specifications

[Saiph]

Thanks for your advice I read in the review on whathifi that the Excite X14 are lacking in attack and dynamism, what do you think of this conclusion?