4K UHD Blu-ray Playback on PC Desktop is officially dead in 2021?

[apollo828]

Oh, I agree that the SGX requirement was ridiculous, and was probably an intentional middle finger to PC manufacturers. I'm just saying that the BDA isn't going to have a change of heart overnight and approve a simpler solution. Hell, a firmware bug basically cracked the discs wide open permanently. I don't see them being in a hurry to approve a new PC-based solution, even if it is legitimately secure.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Maybe Microsoft one day will come out with Windows 12 and require the Microsoft pluton processor security chip which is more secure then TPM 2.0. Then maybe the BDA might choose to use Pluton instead of TPM 2.0. However, Pluton would need to be mandated in all new AMD and Intel CPU’s if that is the agreed upon security. But the main problem is everyone that wants to playback 4K Blu-ray discs will need to buy a new PC if the BDA decides to use Pluton technology for 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray playback. 4K Blu-ray came out in 2016, and less then 1% of Windows 10 owners can playback 4K Blu-ray discs because of the stupid existing SGX security requirement.

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“The Pluton design removes the potential for that communication channel to be attacked by building security directly into the CPU. Windows PCs using the Pluton architecture will first emulate a TPM that works with the existing TPM specifications and APIs, which will allow customers to immediately benefit from enhanced security for Windows features that rely on TPMs like BitLocker and System Guard. Windows devices with Pluton will use the Pluton security processor to protect credentials, user identities, encryption keys, and personal data. None of this information can be removed from Pluton even if an attacker has installed malware or has complete physical possession of the PC.”

https://www.microsoft.com/security/b...f-windows-pcs/

It took us 6 years to get from Windows 10 to Windows 11. Also, since UHD Blu-ray came out in 2016, most non-Apple laptop users (at least where I am) have by now upgraded to machines with 7th Generation and newer Intel processors. Just like how here in the U.S., contactless payment terminals at businesses were very scarce, and then since Apple Pay was introduced in 2014, more and more businesses started getting them, and now over two thirds of businesses here have them. A playback solution for Apple machines would also be essential as well since, at least where I am, there is a very large clientele of Apple laptop users.

[MelonGx]

BDA doesn’t care. But I don’t hope it pay any attention to establish any new method.
If the nick4Knight guy didn’t offense me I have no interest in your daydreaming.

[usually_quiet]

Originally Posted by HDTV1 080P

Maybe Microsoft one day will come out with Windows 12 and require the Microsoft pluton processor security chip

Probably true. It's only for computers running Windows and AMD, Intel, and Qualcomm have partnered with Microsoft on this project. Pluton will definitely be integrated into future processors from these companies. AMD and Qualcomm have already announced the processors that will have it first. (AMD's Ryzen 6000 series and Qualcomm Snapdragon 8cx Gen 3 SOC)

However, some think Pluton should be avoided because is an invasive technology and a security risk that allows Microsoft to have far too much access to and control over PCs that have it. https://semiaccurate.com/2021/12/01/...ous-to-deploy/

[Edit] According to an article that I just read about AMD's Ryzen 6000 series, Windows 11 already has the ability to use Pluton as a TPM.

[usually_quiet]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

It took us 6 years to get from Windows 10 to Windows 11. Also, since UHD Blu-ray came out in 2016, most non-Apple laptop users (at least where I am) have by now upgraded to machines with 7th Generation and newer Intel processors. Just like how here in the U.S., contactless payment terminals at businesses were very scarce, and then since Apple Pay was introduced in 2014, more and more businesses started getting them, and now over two thirds of businesses here have them. A playback solution for Apple machines would also be essential as well since, at least where I am, there is a very large clientele of Apple laptop users.

The uptake of contactless payment in my area has been strongly influenced by the Covid19 pandemic, not the popularity of a particular phone app. Android is installed on 73% of mobile phones anyway.

Once again, supporting Apple M1 and M2 is not worth the trouble. In 2021, only 15% of personal computers are those made by Apple. 74% of personal computers run Windows, mainly Windows 10 (80%). Most of the remainder run Chrome OS.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by usually_quiet

The uptake of contactless payment in my area has been strongly influenced by the Covid19 pandemic, not the popularity of a particular phone app. Android is installed on 73% of mobile phones anyway.

Once again, supporting Apple M1 and M2 is not worth the trouble. In 2021, only 15% of personal computers are those made by Apple. 74% of personal computers run Windows, mainly Windows 10 (80%). Most of the remainder run Chrome OS.

At least a third of the computers people use where I am are Apple machines. Far more than 15%. Apple designed their Silicon to make things possible that weren't possible before. The M1 Max has almost as much graphics power as the gigantic NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080. Last year, over half of new phones sold in the U.S. were iPhones. Also, Chrome OS is probably the single most locked-down and least practical operating system in the entire history of personal computing. Not sure why Google is pushing everyone to buy Chromebooks.

[usually_quiet]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

At least a third of the computers people use where I am are Apple machines. Far more than 15%. Apple designed their Silicon to make things possible that weren't possible before. The M1 Max has almost as much graphics power as the gigantic NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080. Last year, over half of new phones sold in the U.S. were iPhones. Also, Chrome OS is probably the single most locked-down and least practical operating system in the entire history of personal computing. Not sure why Google is pushing everyone to buy Chromebooks.

Cyberlink and the BDA do business all over the world. It is beyond belief that any reasonably intelligent adult could think that the selection of personal computers that they see in any one place is good enough for the BDA and Cyberlink to use to make business decisions. SMH.

I got my stats about market percentages from websites that obtain their data via the Internet by counting the number of individual computers running various operating systems.

Public schools love Chromebooks because they are inexpensive and malware is not much of a problem. For the same reasons, they are probably also a great choice for some older adults who mainly use a computer to browse the Internet and shop online.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by usually_quiet

Cyberlink and the BDA do business all over the world. It is beyond belief that any reasonably intelligent adult could think that the selection of personal computers that they see in any one place is good enough for the BDA and Cyberlink to use to make business decisions. SMH.

I got my stats about market percentages from websites that obtain their data via the Internet by counting the number of individual computers running various operating systems.

Public schools love Chromebooks because they are inexpensive and malware is not much of a problem. For the same reasons, they are probably also a great choice for some older adults who mainly use a computer to browse the Internet and shop online.

The biggest market for Blu-ray is probably the USA since this is where most movies are made. The country with the highest percentage of Blu-ray users is probably Japan (its country of origin). It is also somewhat popular in most of Europe.

[usually_quiet]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

The biggest market for Blu-ray is probably the USA since this is where most movies are made. The country with the highest percentage of Blu-ray users is probably Japan (its country of origin). It is also somewhat popular in most of Europe.

Congratulations. It's not easy to get on my troll/ignore list but you did it.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by usually_quiet

Congratulations. It's not easy to get on my troll/ignore list but you did it.

I am just stating my personal observations.

[Sonam_Singh]

If you have a 4K TV and you want to see its best picture, you'll want a 4K Blu-ray player. Ultra HD Blu-ray discs can hold much more data than standard Blu-ray discs, so they can deliver full 4K resolution along with enhanced color and contrast. According to Forbes, Samsung is discontinuing the production of new 4K Blu-ray players in the USA. And at least in 2019 the company will not introduce any new devices worldwide. Existing players will at least continue to be sold off.

[Geoff D]

Good lord, it's like bot vs bot in here.

[usually_quiet]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Good lord, it's like bot vs bot in here.

I agree. There are a few posts in this thread that seem suspiciously unrelated to the topic.

Although some still check for new posts from time to time, most who posted in this thread accepted months ago that we have probably reached the end of the road for UHD Blu-ray playback on a computer using any method sanctioned by the BDA. Unfortunately, a couple of the people still posting here simply cannot be convinced.

[ronboster]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Good lord, it's like bot vs bot in here.

I think some want to be considered an expert, when they are merely an aggregator of information. It's like Flipboard being considered a "news site."

[chip75]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Good lord, it's like bot vs bot in here.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by ronboster

I think some want to be considered an expert, when they are merely an aggregator of information. It's like Flipboard being considered a "news site."

I've no idea what flipboard is, but yes. Several posters on here do nothing but regurgitate facts and figures, like bots that have harvested information, with no kind of emotion or passion or indication that they're human at all. It's so weird.

[usually_quiet]

You guys are hilarious. Yeah, it's so weird that some/most of the people replying to an HTPC-related thread are a little nerdy and in love with figures and facts. Why that is almost as unexpected as enumerating your media collection under your avatar would be if you belong to a Blu-ray-related forum.

[usually_quiet]

Originally Posted by chip75

I didn't get the reference. The toy was called Rock 'Em Sock 'Em Robots in the US when I was the right age to play with it.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by usually_quiet

You guys are hilarious. Yeah, it's so weird that some/most of the people replying to an HTPC-related thread are a little nerdy and in love with figures and facts. Why that is almost as unexpected as enumerating your media collection under your avatar would be if you belong to a Blu-ray-related forum.

So first you agree, then get all snarky. That's why I love this place.

I wasn't talking about you there with the follow-up comment but about the person you were conversing with and then that bizarre Sonam Singh character who literally just pops up now and then to spout the most banal 'copy and paste' info and then disappears again. And by "here" I didn't mean this one single thread, don't be so parochial, I meant the whole forum. There are several people who do this sort of thing and if they're not actual robotos then it's kinda scary that that's how they think.

[nissling]

I must be able to watch my UHD-BDs in Windows or else my PC was a waste of money

Said no one ever.