4K UHD Blu-ray Playback on PC Desktop is officially dead in 2021?

[JEArgumedo]

I'm not ripping the disc, it's not illegal. At most, it breaks a terms of service agreement somewhere, but it's absolutely not illegal to playback the disc through something like VLC.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by JEArgumedo

I'm not ripping the disc, it's not illegal. At most, it breaks a terms of service agreement somewhere, but it's absolutely not illegal to playback the disc through something like VLC.

It still plays the disc by cracking the copy protection, not legally decrypting it. It is illegal to crack the copy protection on an (Ultra HD) Blu-ray or DVD. Again, tell Macgo. I've told them already, so we need more people to tell them.

[usually_quiet]

I was hoping to build a new HTPC with an Intel Rocket Lake CPU capable of playing 4K Blu-ray with PowerDVD Ultra, but I found a support article at Dell confirming that the long-standing rumors about no SGX support for that processor family are true.

I happened to see LexInHD's post in this thread where he mentioned that he thought Tiger Lake would work, and today I went to the Tiger Lake Page at ark.intel.com to look for information since Tiger Lake was recently launched. I looked at the specs for 7 Tiger Lake processors, and SGX was not supported for any of them. Unless Tiger Lake H is different for some reason, Comet Lake is probably the last Intel processor series to support SGX. (The Comet Lake page at ark.intel.com lists SGX as supported (with Intel ME).)

[Bn43]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

It still plays the disc by cracking the copy protection, not legally decrypting it. It is illegal to crack the copy protection on an (Ultra HD) Blu-ray or DVD. Again, tell Macgo. I've told them already, so we need more people to tell them.

There's a big difference between what's legal and what's moral. Let him do what he wants with his own discs, so long as he doesn't share the copies. It's always smart to have backups anyway.

Originally Posted by slimdude

4K movies are made and should be viewed on a big screen. Watching 4K on a desktop computer and small portable devices wouldn't do the technology any justice.

My PC is connected to two monitors as well as my big TV. I can control it wirelessly from my coffee table or bed.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by Bn43

There's a big difference between what's legal and what's moral. Let him do what he wants with his own discs, so long as he doesn't share the copies. It's always smart to have backups anyway.



My PC is connected to two monitors as well as my big TV. I can control it wirelessly from my coffee table or bed.

The reason copy protection exists on the disc because while you do own the disc itself, you don’t own what’s on the disc, because if you did, you could theoretically modify what happens in the film. When you purchase a disc, you are actually purchasing a lifetime license to watch the film, not the film itself. Breaking the encryption is a violation of Title I of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Since the discs are pressed and last forever, there is no need to make a backup copy that will degrade over time. I don’t think you are allowed to promote illegal playback methods on this forum.

[Bn43]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

The reason copy protection exists on the disc because while you do own the disc itself, you don’t own what’s on the disc, because if you did, you could theoretically modify what happens in the film. When you purchase a disc, you are actually purchasing a lifetime license to watch the film, not the film itself. Breaking the encryption is a violation of Title I of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act. Since the discs are pressed and last forever, there is no need to make a backup copy that will degrade over time. I don’t think you are allowed to promote illegal playback methods on this forum.

So? There is nothing immoral about it. I don't know why people bring up the fact that you only own a license as if it makes any practical difference. Practically, that copy of the movie is mine. The DMCA doesn't impact what I am doing. There are plenty of laws I don't agree with.

All discs degrade. Some quicker than others. Besides, other things can happen, like natural disasters, accidents or theft.

I also rip my discs because every other one freezes at least once when using my player. I never have to deal with that when I'm using my computer. Another reason is that my cabinet is so full that I now have to place movies on top of and in front of each other, which makes searching for them much more tedious than just typing the title into the Windows search box. My apartment is too small for another cabinet.

Navigation is also far quicker and simpler with MKV files.

A pretty substantial number of users here post screenshots taken from their own rips, so it seems the site doesn't care much.

[LexInHD]

Originally Posted by usually_quiet

I was hoping to build a new HTPC with an Intel Rocket Lake CPU capable of playing 4K Blu-ray with PowerDVD Ultra, but I found a support article at Dell confirming that the long-standing rumors about no SGX support for that processor family are true.

I happened to see LexInHD's post in this thread where he mentioned that he thought Tiger Lake would work, and today I went to the Tiger Lake Page at ark.intel.com to look for information since Tiger Lake was recently launched. I looked at the specs for 7 Tiger Lake processors, and SGX was not supported for any of them. Unless Tiger Lake H is different for some reason, Comet Lake is probably the last Intel processor series to support SGX. (The Comet Lake page at ark.intel.com lists SGX as supported (with Intel ME).)

Tiger Lake is mobile and doesn't have SGX. It's predecessor (Ice Lake) has it. Going forward, it is now only available in select desktop and workstation/server CPUs (Comet Lake has it) and will likely be phased out all together, once Intel begins using the new Microsoft/Qualcomm security processor in it's new chips. Digital Rights Management and encryption are the only consumer application that really ever employed it, while it's used in professional and enterprise software that utilizes encryption keys. Because it's been used for several security attacks and was always turned on by default, Intel has basically dumped it from it's consumer products.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by Bn43

So? There is nothing immoral about it. I don't know why people bring up the fact that you only own a license as if it makes any practical difference. Practically, that copy of the movie is mine. The DMCA doesn't impact what I am doing. There are plenty of laws I don't agree with.

All discs degrade. Some quicker than others. Besides, other things can happen, like natural disasters, accidents or theft.

I also rip my discs because every other one freezes at least once when using my player. I never have to deal with that when I'm using my computer. Another reason is that my cabinet is so full that I now have to place movies on top of and in front of each other, which makes searching for them much more tedious than just typing the title into the Windows search box. My apartment is too small for another cabinet.

Navigation is also far quicker and simpler with MKV files.

A pretty substantial number of users here post screenshots taken from their own rips, so it seems the site doesn't care much.

Pressed discs do not degrade unlike burned discs. Even my LaserDiscs and old CDs and DVDs from the 80's and 90's are still just as good as when they were brand new. I have never had a disc "rot" on me.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

Pressed discs do not degrade unlike burned discs. Even my LaserDiscs and old CDs and DVDs from the 80's and 90's are still just as good as when they were brand new. I have never had a disc "rot" on me.

[Auditor55]

US Blu-ray Sales Decline In 2020





"For the last decade physical media sales, read plastic discs, have continued to decline. Ranging from -5% in 2012 to -18% in 2019. The even more startling news is that disc sales are down almost 23% relative to 2019 in the first quarter of 2020. Clearly one has to assume that with COVID severely impacting the production of any new movies and the on-going re-release on 4K of many older movies, that there are very few big new releases arriving on Blu-ray in Q1 & Q2 2020. Well actually any quarter this year!"

https://fromvinyltoplastic.com/us-bl...cline-in-2020/

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by Auditor55

US Blu-ray Sales Decline In 2020





"For the last decade physical media sales, read plastic discs, have continued to decline. Ranging from -5% in 2012 to -18% in 2019. The even more startling news is that disc sales are down almost 23% relative to 2019 in the first quarter of 2020. Clearly one has to assume that with COVID severely impacting the production of any new movies and the on-going re-release on 4K of many older movies, that there are very few big new releases arriving on Blu-ray in Q1 & Q2 2020. Well actually any quarter this year!"

https://fromvinyltoplastic.com/us-bl...cline-in-2020/

Oh, please don’t start this again. You already ruined the Pioneer thread.

[Auditor55]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

Oh, please don’t start this again. You already ruined the Pioneer thread.

[Bn43]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

Pressed discs do not degrade unlike burned discs. Even my LaserDiscs and old CDs and DVDs from the 80's and 90's are still just as good as when they were brand new. I have never had a disc "rot" on me.

Me neither. But I've seen several people here and elsewhere report rotting. It happens. Depends on quality control as well.

[usually_quiet]

Originally Posted by LexInHD

Tiger Lake is mobile and doesn't have SGX. It's predecessor (Ice Lake) has it. Going forward, it is now only available in select desktop and workstation/server CPUs (Comet Lake has it) and will likely be phased out all together, once Intel begins using the new Microsoft/Qualcomm security processor in it's new chips. Digital Rights Management and encryption are the only consumer application that really ever employed it, while it's used in professional and enterprise software that utilizes encryption keys. Because it's been used for several security attacks and was always turned on by default, Intel has basically dumped it from it's consumer products.

Yes, Tiger Lake is a mobile processor but before I found out that Tiger Lake did not include SGX, I was hoping that a Panther Canyon NUC might have potential as an HTPC. I guess I will wait and see if the BDA has any interest in the Pluton chip for preventing UHD Blu-ray decryption from being hacked.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by usually_quiet

I guess I will wait and see if the BDA has any interest in the Pluton chip for preventing UHD Blu-ray decryption from being hacked.

Will that chip make computers time travel?

[HenriDeadMort]

Originally Posted by slimdude

4K movies are made and should be viewed on a big screen. Watching 4K on a desktop computer and small portable devices wouldn't do the technology any justice.

i have my pc hooked up to my tv
**** you for assuming

[rachaeldeckard]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

Pressed discs do not degrade unlike burned discs. Even my LaserDiscs and old CDs and DVDs from the 80's and 90's are still just as good as when they were brand new. I have never had a disc "rot" on me.

Consider yourself lucky. I've had rot on every format. Certain discs were guaranteed to rot especially on laserdisc.

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by rachaeldeckard

8K OLED 88"

Did you really spring for that LG SIGNATURE Z9 or ZX (pronounced Z ten) OLED? Didn't think we'd have a member with one of those.

[rachaeldeckard]

Originally Posted by BijouMan

Did you really spring for that LG SIGNATURE Z9 or ZX (pronounced Z ten) OLED? Didn't think we'd have a member with one of those.

Yes I was one of the first to get the Z9. But after seeing this I feel like a peasant:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/samsun...-for-the-home/

[BijouMan]

Originally Posted by usually_quiet

Yes, Tiger Lake is a mobile processor but before I found out that Tiger Lake did not include SGX, I was hoping that a Panther Canyon NUC might have potential as an HTPC. I guess I will wait and see if the BDA has any interest in the Pluton chip for preventing UHD Blu-ray decryption from being hacked.

I have been wanting the BDA to use the T2 Security Chip in 2018-2020 Mac computers and have written to Macgo, the company who makes the Blu-ray player software for macOS. They just updated their software to fully support Apple Silicon, but they did not add Ultra HD Blu-ray, which I have wanted for months. I have been absolutely dying to be able to use my MacBook Pro as a portable Ultra HD Blu-ray player. This is one of two Ultra HD Blu-ray players I have been dying for. I have a bunch of discs but nothing to play them on. I was hoping it would be available by the end of this year. Also, Apple Silicon inherently has Apple's security hardware built in.

As for non-Apple computers, I can only imagine how CyberLink will react to Intel removing SGX once April comes and it's time for a new version of PowerDVD. I don't know what CyberLink will be able to do about it.