Where is the BLU-RAY computer games and BLU-RAY computer educational software?

[HDTV1080P]

Back in 1997 when the DVD format was launched in the United States I remember that in 1998 I was able to purchase a computer DVD-ROM kit for around $500 that came with one or two bonus DVD-ROM discs. One was a computer game on DVD-ROM while the other disc was a educational DVD-ROM.
I currently own a 5X Pioneer BLU-RAY ROM drive that I purchased for around $139, does anyone make any computer software on the BLU-RAY format yet? Yes there is plenty of movies to watch and if one owns a PS3 there is plenty of games to play. Is there any plans to release BLU-RAY computer software or computer games on BLU-RAY?

[mjbethancourt]

I think the (third party i.e. 'not sony') game-authoring software fell behind blu-ray spec, but they should be popping up by now, shouldn't they?

[dadkins]

Computer games are all in the DVD/2DVD size currently.
Sure, the developers can put the games on a BD, but at this point there is no real reason to.

Just got a new game today - 3.39GB. Be kind of a waste of a BD, no?

[CAB]

I'm guessing when BD players are standard issue in systems for about 5 years, games and software will be distributed on BD.

[JadedRaverLA]

Originally Posted by dadkins

Computer games are all in the DVD/2DVD size currently.
Sure, the developers can put the games on a BD, but at this point there is no real reason to.

Just got a new game today - 3.39GB. Be kind of a waste of a BD, no?

Bingo!

When DVD launched, the CD-ROM capacity was already showing its age. I remember several games that shipped on many CDs (Phantasmagoria shipped on 7! Many others shipped on 4-5). FMV and pre-rendered "3d" were both big at the time and took up a lot more space... so using DVD for games early on made a lot of sense.

How may games today ship on even 2 DVDs? Not many. And with most PC games rendering everything within the game engine, there's not a lot of reason to expect them to grow considerably anytime soon. Unless you are making a game using all the available satellite data from Google Earth or something, there's only so many different textures, audio samples, etc, that you'll need for even a rather lengthy game. Now, console gaming is a completely different matter (you're not installing the entire game to the hard drive, and often data has to be streamed when necessary from the disc), but, for the PC, there's just not any point.

Also, because Blu-ray drives launched as recorders (as opposed to readers as DVD-ROM and CD-ROM did) the first models were very expensive. Now that readers and combo drives are on the market, BD-ROM penetration is increasing more rapidly, but drives are still only found in a very small number of PCs in use.

[arush5268d]

I have never heard of the BLU-RAY format...but I'm very aware of the Blu-ray format.

I'm also not aware of any games that would require a 25gb BD. Also - since so few home computers have a Blu-ray drive....there wouldn't be a whole lot of point in producing a game that requires a Blu-ray drive.

[HDTV1080P]

The PS3 has all of its games on single layer BLU-RAY discs and some of them take up more then 8.5GB of space. We need more games with HD quality. Computer games with HD quality would require higher storage capacity. I guess BLU-RAY is a liitle ahead of its time.

[CAB]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The PS3 has all of its games on single layer BLU-RAY discs and some of them take up more then 8.5GB of space. We need more games with HD quality. Computer games with HD quality would require higher storage capacity. I guess BLU-RAY is a liitle ahead of its time.

PCs install them on the hard drive and never pull content from the optical. My laptop comes with 3.5x the storage of the PS3. PC's also render at 2560 x 1600 x 24bit color with 4x AA.

[arush5268d]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The PS3 has all of its games on single layer BLU-RAY discs and some of them take up more then 8.5GB of space. We need more games with HD quality. Computer games with HD quality would require higher storage capacity. I guess BLU-RAY is a liitle ahead of its time.

Seriously though....it's not BLU-RAY....it's "Blu-ray"

[JadedRaverLA]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The PS3 has all of its games on single layer BLU-RAY discs and some of them take up more then 8.5GB of space. We need more games with HD quality. Computer games with HD quality would require higher storage capacity. I guess BLU-RAY is a liitle ahead of its time.

I kind of said this above, but there's a HUGE difference between the amount of space required for a game designed for a console (and designed to be run directly from disc) and a game designed for a computer (and designed to be installed to a hard disc). Games that you plan to install use more compressed assets that get decompressed during installation. Running a game from a disc requires the assets to be stored either uncompressed on disc or using a form of compression that can be decompressed extremely quickly and with little CPU usage when its needed. So, you need more space on the console for assets.

Also (and usually more importantly to the PS3) due to the HUGE speed difference between reading from a hard disc and reading from the optical drive, many assets are included multiple times on the disc to allow for easier data-streaming and lower access times (both things you don't need on games installed to a hard disc)

If you are rendering everything within the game engine (as many PC games do) there's no reason for games on the PC to require anywhere near 25GB of space on the install media. If you wanted to do a game with a lot of 1080p pre-rendered cutscenes on a PC game, then I suppose you could waste enough space to make Blu-ray useful there, but I don't think that's any developers goal. That doesn't make the PC game "not HD" -- in the vast majority of cases, recent PC games can support far higher resolutions than their console counterparts. The storage space requirements are just completely different, and you can't assume that a 15GB PS3 game title would require anywhere near that if it was designed to run be installed and then run off a hard drive.

[prerich]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The PS3 has all of its games on single layer BLU-RAY discs and some of them take up more then 8.5GB of space. We need more games with HD quality. Computer games with HD quality would require higher storage capacity. I guess BLU-RAY is a liitle ahead of its time.

Excuse me...although I didn't like the Transformers movie, I did buy the pc game...and I play it at 1920x1080p 60hz refresh rate (I can increase the refresh rate beyond that too)!!! HD quality for games has been here in PC land for a long while. Go to Nvidia's site and read up on Xtreme HD (gaming beyond 1080p),it's hear and its now, BD is not ahead of the game...PC is.

[ps3bd_owner]

PC doesn't need.

It has DVD and digital format.

Digital format = No limit size
Blu-ray = 50GB limit size

[BLindsay]

Originally Posted by ps3bd_owner

PC doesn't need.

It has DVD and digital format.

Digital format = No limit size
Blu-ray = 50GB limit size

that makes no sense at all

[ps3bd_owner]

Originally Posted by BLindsay

that makes no sense at all

With Blu-ray, there's a limit, digital format there isn't so video games can have larger amount of space than only 50GB.

Blu-ray's fine for now, but probably not for the future, unless they make an upgrade to 100GB+.

[BLindsay]

Originally Posted by ps3bd_owner

With Blu-ray, there's a limit, digital format there isn't so video games can have larger amount of space than only 50GB.

Blu-ray's fine for now, but probably not for the future, unless they make an upgrade to 100GB+.

blu-ray stores far more than DVD end of story.

Blu-ray in a PC would be very nice, good riddance to dvd

p.s. - blu-ray is digital to

[ps3bd_owner]

Originally Posted by BLindsay

blu-ray stores far more than DVD end of story.

Blu-ray in a PC would be very nice, good riddance to dvd

p.s. - blu-ray is digital to

Duh, Blu-ray stores more data than a DVD, everyone knows that but on PC we have digital format so no need to waste money on something like Blu-ray.

Blu-ray = films/series and PS3 games.

DVD is digital, CD is digital, HD-DVD is digital, UMD is digital, Blu-ray is digital, too.

You don't make any sense wanting Blu-ray officially with PC's because as I've said, digital format wins (no limit size) and it's cheaper for a pack of 25 BD-R discs I could buy instead a 500GB HDD. I don't actually have a BD Burner, it was just an example.

After Blu-ray, it's digital era time.