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Old 03-30-2019, 09:24 PM   #1
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Quick and simple question, which I imagine must have been asked before, but I didn't find it by searching, so here it goes:

Is it better to let the TV upscale from 1080p to 4K, or to let the Blu-ray Disc player do the upscaling, and send the 4K signal to the TV?

If the answer depends on the type of player and TV, let's use the UBP-X700 and the LG E8 as an example (which conveniently is also my current setup ).

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Old 03-30-2019, 09:30 PM   #2
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It depends on the device, you can run test patterns to compare the two, but a decent player will upscale very well. 1080p into 4K should scale nicely no matter the device, but I go with the player first in most cases.
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Old 03-31-2019, 02:44 PM   #3
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Most likely both of those will do equal job, or at least to the point where you can't tell.
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Old 03-31-2019, 11:25 PM   #4
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A Sony UHD BD player doing good HD to 4K upscaling? Maybe on a alternate universe...
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Old 04-01-2019, 02:26 AM   #5
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A Sony UHD BD player doing good HD to 4K upscaling? Maybe on a alternate universe...
They are switching SoC's for the UBP-X800M2 compared to the older UBP-X800. It should be the same as the LX500 if I am not mistaken. Did you not notice that models plays both SACD as well as DVD-Audio.
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Old 04-01-2019, 09:05 PM   #6
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I agree with Chip on this one; let the player do the heavy scaling lifting.

1080p-to-4K shouldn't be a massive strain on the processor, but DVD-to-4K is another story...
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Old 04-05-2019, 10:00 PM   #7
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Wouldn't the TVs have more powerful chips than the player, and so deliver a better upscaled image? I thought the manufacturers put a lot of effort and pride in their TV upscaling capabilities.
I'm very surprised to read the opinions posted above (while also admitting that I know nothing (Jon Snow)).
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Wouldn't the TVs have more powerful chips than the player, and so deliver a better upscaled image? I thought the manufacturers put a lot of effort and pride in their TV upscaling capabilities.
I'm very surprised to read the opinions posted above (while also admitting that I know nothing (Jon Snow)).
Most TV's don't have as many adjustments as the players do when it comes to perfecting video playback with a display. In the case of Sony, the displays didn't have the necessary processing, so they offloaded some of the DV processing to capable players.
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I found that my Marantz 7702 MKII processor did a better job than the Oppo 205.
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Old 04-06-2019, 12:24 AM   #10
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I agree with Chip on this one; let the player do the heavy scaling lifting.

1080p-to-4K shouldn't be a massive strain on the processor, but DVD-to-4K is another story...
In the case of DVD to 4K, the player should at least be upscaling to 1080p, so if the output is set to the same, it's splitting the work evenly between the two.

Anyway I still have two BD players without upscaling, and there's absolutely no visible difference between 4K-upscale from my UHD player and TV-upscale from the BD players. But I tend to use the BD player if I'm watching a DVD, to allow for that splitting of the upscaling work between devices.
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In the case of DVD to 4K, the player should at least be upscaling to 1080p, so if the output is set to the same, it's splitting the work evenly between the two.

Anyway I still have two BD players without upscaling, and there's absolutely no visible difference between 4K-upscale from my UHD player and TV-upscale from the BD players. But I tend to use the BD player if I'm watching a DVD, to allow for that splitting of the upscaling work between devices.
I'm not 100-percent sure that's how the DVD-to-4K scaling works -- in my particular situation, I have my Cambridge CXUHD set to AUTO resolution output, which selects the best output based on the display it's connected to, and in my case this means DVD is output as "2160/60p" and Blu-ray is output as "2160/24p"...

Are you saying the players first bring DVD resolutions up to 1080 and THEN do a separate processing job of bringing THAT up to 2160? The processors in these UHD disc players don't directly scale from 480 (DVD resolution) to 2160 (4K resolution)?
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Old 08-15-2019, 01:44 AM   #12
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If I have a 4K TV, will a Blu-ray Disc look better on a regular Blu-ray player? Or a UHD player? Or should there be no difference?
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If I have a 4K TV, will a Blu-ray Disc look better on a regular Blu-ray player? Or a UHD player? Or should there be no difference?
In most cases, you likely won't be able to tell a difference unless you are pixel peeping or using test patterns.

Of course, if you have a middle to lower tier/budget TV, then the player will likely be better.
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Old 08-15-2019, 03:38 AM   #14
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i have a philips 4k tv and prefer to let my sony bdp s6700 do the upscaling on blurays, my tv has a setting to turn upscaling to low,med,high or off
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A Sony UHD BD player doing good HD to 4K upscaling? Maybe on a alternate universe...
I'm still waiting to see you post a comparison between your Sony and Panasonic players, using a specific disc and giving specific examples and details, to back up your claims that the Sony X800 is such an inferior player.
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