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Old 04-06-2019, 11:06 PM   #521
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Sony OLEDS are available in the US as well.

It was Samsung that stopped making OLED's, your right Sony OLED's are still offered in the USA. However many retail stores in the USA are only offering LG OLED's. Perhaps over time more retail stores well get Sony OLED screens instead of the requirement to go to the retail stores website to special order a Sony OLED display.
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Old 05-27-2019, 06:11 PM   #522
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It was Samsung that stopped making OLED's, your right Sony OLED's are still offered in the USA. However many retail stores in the USA are only offering LG OLED's. Perhaps over time more retail stores well get Sony OLED screens instead of the requirement to go to the retail stores website to special order a Sony OLED display.
Samsung never really entered the consumer OLED market though, they were still just in CES prototype mode when they stopped R&D.

Best Buy across USA sells Sony OLEDs, that's some 1000 stores. Most major cities list independent retailer options as well, hard to find one using their "WHERE TO BUY" that doesn't show non-Best Buy retailers.

US online retailers include Best Buy, Crutchfield, B&H, WalMart and Electronic Express.

You should really have no issues finding a Sony OLED in North America, they're not messing about with OLED.

Of course if anyone wants to drive to the Niagara region with a truck, I'd happily hook you up with a good deal on a Panasonic.

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Old 05-27-2019, 09:22 PM   #523
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Still have a Panasonic plasma set from 2011 and not getting rid of it until it dies. I love what I have seen of OLED but concerned about motion handling issues which would drive me nuts.
I got my Panasonic TH-50PZ800U in 2009 and it's still going strong. I dread the day that it finally dies and I'm not going to actively look for a replacement until it does. There doesn't seem to be a direct replacement that I'd like at the moment.
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Old 05-28-2019, 10:11 PM   #524
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Still loving my 50" VT25 plasma, after 8 years it's still going strong

When she does eventually die on me, I'll be looking at online classified sites for a used Panny plasma. I frequently go into my local high end audio/video shops, and occasionally shop at big box stores for movies and other accessories... and I've yet to see any LCD, LED, OLED, 4K or other tv set that has a more natural and film-like presentation than even an entry-mid level plasma, regardless of price. And most importantly, none of them present motion properly... I think current displays are a very noticeable step backwards, and seem to just keep getting more and more artificial enhanced looking

I'd go for an entry-mid level projector and screen over any current TV's, even if I was only going to use the projector to produce a 60-70" image.
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Old 06-15-2019, 06:02 AM   #525
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I regret that I sold my Plasma. I wonder if it would still be going strong today. All I know is it provided better 3D than my current 4K set.
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Old 06-15-2019, 04:05 PM   #526
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Still loving my 50" VT25 plasma, after 8 years it's still going strong

When she does eventually die on me, I'll be looking at online classified sites for a used Panny plasma. I frequently go into my local high end audio/video shops, and occasionally shop at big box stores for movies and other accessories... and I've yet to see any LCD, LED, OLED, 4K or other tv set that has a more natural and film-like presentation than even an entry-mid level plasma, regardless of price. And most importantly, none of them present motion properly... I think current displays are a very noticeable step backwards, and seem to just keep getting more and more artificial enhanced looking

I'd go for an entry-mid level projector and screen over any current TV's, even if I was only going to use the projector to produce a 60-70" image.
How are you going to get a film-like image with a projector, which probably going to be an LED, LCOS or DLP based technology, none of which projects, in my opinion, a film-like quality.

At some point, we have to accept the shift in paradigm and move on.
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Old 06-15-2019, 09:34 PM   #527
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How are you going to get a film-like image with a projector, which probably going to be an LED, LCOS or DLP based technology, none of which projects, in my opinion, a film-like quality.

At some point, we have to accept the shift in paradigm and move on.

Well, every projector and screen setup that I've seen doesn't have the motion problems or "soap opera" effect that every single LCD, LED, OLED 4K TV has. Projector and screen setups also don't have the overly sharpened and enhanced picture like most of those TV's, and look much more natural and film like to me because of that. I want naturalness and realism in my display, not artificial looking sharpness and detail that just gives a wow effect.

Just because display technology has shifted to something new and fancy doesn't mean we should accept it if it's favoring quantity and features over quality.

I will only give in and downgrade to that if there is absolutely no other choice available... ie. if I can't find a second hand plasma or PJ and screen on the planet, haha
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Old 06-16-2019, 03:16 PM   #528
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Check out how this VT20 plasma compares to 4K LCD and OLED


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It looks so much more natural and the colors are significantly better. And that's not even the newest model. It's funny they used a VT20 and not the ZT60. Seeing how the VT20 looks, i'm not surprised. The ZT60 would of destroyed them even more.

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Old 06-16-2019, 04:58 PM   #529
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Well, every projector and screen setup that I've seen doesn't have the motion problems or "soap opera" effect that every single LCD, LED, OLED 4K TV has. Projector and screen setups also don't have the overly sharpened and enhanced picture like most of those TV's, and look much more natural and film like to me because of that. I want naturalness and realism in my display, not artificial looking sharpness and detail that just gives a wow effect.

Just because display technology has shifted to something new and fancy doesn't mean we should accept it if it's favoring quantity and features over quality.

I will only give in and downgrade to that if there is absolutely no other choice available... ie. if I can't find a second hand plasma or PJ and screen on the planet, haha
I do understand what you are saying. CRT looks more natural than Plasma, however CRT was made obsolete even by Plasma. I agree, that Plasma looks more natural than the other digital display technologies. BTW, still have my Kuro going strong after 10 years.
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Old 06-16-2019, 08:59 PM   #530
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I do understand what you are saying. CRT looks more natural than Plasma, however CRT was made obsolete even by Plasma. I agree, that Plasma looks more natural than the other digital display technologies. BTW, still have my Kuro going strong after 10 years.
Yeah I still have an old 37" CRT tube TV at my cabin and I take all my DVDs that I've rebought on Blu-ray out there to watch, and I can say that the DVD version of the movie on the tube TV looks better than the Blu-ray version on the plasma

At one time I considered dumping the plasma and just going back to the CRT... probably would have lasted me the rest of my life with that one TV, haha. But in the end, I couldn't go back to the smaller screen size. If they ever make a 60" tube TV, I'd be all over it... even if it weighed as much as a truck!!
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Connect a Blu-ray player up to a 1080i or 480i tube TV and it looks much better then a DVD player. I have seen a bigger difference. I prefer a 1080P Pioneer plasma over a old tube TV.


The big advantage of CRT TV's was the absolute blacks which OLED TV's now match. The only advantage of tube TV's now is motion quality.


The best displays on the market are high-end DLP projectors, LCOS projectors, and OLED flat panels.
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Old 06-20-2019, 09:30 PM   #532
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The best displays on the market are high-end DLP projectors, LCOS projectors, and OLED flat panels.

Yeah, I would agree that those higher end projectors are the best displays you can buy on the market at the moment.

In my opinion any and all types of LCD, LED or OLED displays are not acceptable with their motion problems and artificially enhanced looking picture,... I don't care how good their black levels may be. They are the scum of the display world, like Home-Theatre-in-a-Box, soundbars and Bose speakers are of the audio world, lol
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I like how the Pioneer plasma handles motion by triple flashing a 1080p/24 signal to 72fps (72Hz). OLED is not able to do motion as good as a plasma. In theory OLED well do multiplies of 24fps at 240Hz or 480Hz with the option to turn off frame interpolation, but when frame interpolation is turned off resolution detail is lost in OLED.
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i own 3 pioneer elite kuro and i'm very please with the picture quality,also i own 4k tv and they are ok
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i own 3 pioneer elite kuro and i'm very please with the picture quality,also i own 4k tv and they are ok
Nice!!! When my Panny plasma dies, can I come relieve you of one or two of your Kuro's??
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i own 3 pioneer elite kuro and i'm very please with the picture quality,also i own 4k tv and they are ok
Which 4K TV you own?
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My mom recently just purchased a brand new 65" 4K HDR TV. Now, I'm still rocking a 60" VT60 plasma, and I am TOTALLY happy with it. But still, shit aint right when your Mom has a newer, "better" TV than you do, LOL!
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My mom recently just purchased a brand new 65" 4K HDR TV. Now, I'm still rocking a 60" VT60 plasma, and I am TOTALLY happy with it. But still, shit aint right when your Mom has a newer, "better" TV than you do, LOL!
Trust me, hers may be newer and bigger... but it is most certainly not better

Being on this forum has had me thinking lately about what I'm gonna do when my Panny dies... so I've started scouring the local classified's, and if I find a 60-65" Panasonic VT or ZT plasma I'm gonna scoop it up and it can sit wrapped up in my basement until my current VT25 dies. I just can't imagine having to go out and purchase a brand new flat panel TV of any kind available today... I think it would drain my soul out of me to be forced to downgrade from what I've been privileged to watch for the last 8 years
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Connect a Blu-ray player up to a 1080i or 480i tube TV and it looks much better then a DVD player. I have seen a bigger difference. I prefer a 1080P Pioneer plasma over a old tube TV.


The big advantage of CRT TV's was the absolute blacks which OLED TV's now match. The only advantage of tube TV's now is motion quality.


The best displays on the market are high-end DLP projectors, LCOS projectors, and OLED flat panels.
However, OLED's are not as good as CRT and Plasma with near black performance. Although I heard the 2019 OLED sets have improved in that area.
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However, OLED's are not as good as CRT and Plasma with near black performance. Although I heard the 2019 OLED sets have improved in that area.
?? I thought OLEDS had the best blacks of any TV's
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