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Old 06-01-2016, 10:39 PM   #21
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Batman V Superman, Man Of Steel and now Watchmen. So, it's a matter of time for Sucker Punch and 300 in glorious 4k
I'm surprised they would push out the Zack Snyder stuff since he is now an industry pariah after the BvS debacle.
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Old 06-01-2016, 10:48 PM   #22
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Man, i was so close to buying the UHD version from Vudu last night, after thinking about it for weeks. Glad I waited!
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Old 06-01-2016, 10:53 PM   #23
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July is going to kill me, that's for sure!
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Old 06-01-2016, 11:15 PM   #24
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The ultimate cut being 3 hours and 35 minutes long. We know that warner brothers disc creator will be the 1st to use 100g discs.So this may very well be the 1st 100g disc. Or the superman's.
Doubtful. Warners is know to stuff discs to their fullest and 100GB discs aren't said to enter production until August.
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Old 06-01-2016, 11:22 PM   #25
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I'm only getting this if it comes with ATMOS or DTS:X. Don't want to sound like a broken record but the only way I double dip on movies I have on BD, is for ATMOS...or if it's something really special like the ALIEN series, LOTR...
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I'm only getting this if it comes with ATMOS or DTS:X. Don't want to sound like a broken record but the only way I double dip on movies I have on BD, is for ATMOS...or if it's something really special like the ALIEN series, LOTR...
I feel DTS-X.
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Old 06-01-2016, 11:27 PM   #27
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Doubtful. Warners is know to stuff discs to their fullest and 100GB discs aren't said to enter production until August.
Well you missed the news last week that they are coming early and already in production for warner brothers.
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Well you missed the news last week that they are coming early and already in production for warner brothers.
How much cost it UHD 100gb for movie?

If more over than $45.00 usd.
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Old 06-01-2016, 11:31 PM   #29
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Doubtful. Warners is know to stuff discs to their fullest and 100GB discs aren't said to enter production until August.
100 GB discs were already available on a limited basis in Japan months ago, and were officially announced as in production in Germany, too. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the BvS UHD is the first one, since it's 99.9% confirmed to be the 182-minute cut. I'm sure WB will want to stuff all of the languages on the one disc, anyway, so they'd probably have to use a UHD-100 for that. And it's out on the same day as Watchmen, which if the UC itself is on UHD, would make the need for UHD-100 even more obvious.
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I'm sure they can compress the film to 66GB disc even with all those alternate language tracks if they wanted too. I've heard nothing about them getting TL discs anytime soon but if it happens then great. But as it stands I'm not expecting it.
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I'm sure they can compress the film to 66GB disc even with all those alternate language tracks if they wanted too. I've heard nothing about them getting TL discs anytime soon but if it happens then great. But as it stands I'm not expecting it.
It'll look like shite if they stuff all that onto a BD-66. HEVC is actually only about 30% more efficient than H.264.
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Old 06-02-2016, 12:29 AM   #32
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It is available on VUDU UHD, so I guess this shouldn't come as a complete shock. Especially with a chance to tie it into the BvS release the same day. I just really really really hope WB includes all 3 cuts via seamless branching.

BTW, I should've sold my sealed OOP Blu-ray Ultimate Cut box set earlier when it was actually worth something. Damn!
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Old 06-02-2016, 12:31 AM   #33
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It is available on VUDU UHD, so I guess this shouldn't come as a complete shock. Especially with a chance to tie it into the BvS release the same day. I just really really really hope WB includes all 3 cuts via seamless branching.

BTW, I should've sold my sealed OOP Blu-ray Ultimate Cut box set earlier when it was actually worth something. Damn!
If you create really complex branching, that drops the overall bitrate of the film... lowering the quality.

Do you really want that?
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Old 06-02-2016, 12:35 AM   #34
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If you create really complex branching, that drops the overall bitrate of the film... lowering the quality.

Do you really want that?
Would that matter if they had it on a 100GB disc?
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I'm sure they can compress the film to 66GB disc even with all those alternate language tracks. I've heard nothing about them getting TL discs anytime soon but if it happens then great. But as it stands I'm not expecting it.
Perhaps, but that's not been WBs standard so far. Look at the disc sizes for the WB titles on the list right now. Other than The Lego Movie, they are all over 87.5% full as BD-66 discs. From the three latest ones, Creed, WBs current longest-running UHD release at 133 minutes, is still over 97% full (60.7 GB) despite being relatively calm throughout, while it seems that (again, as far as WB UHD compression goes) complicated action and/or CGI-based imagery also works to drive up the feature filesize, too, if Pan and/or San Andreas are any indication. Meanwhile, films that feature lengthy stretches of similar-looking or uncomplicated imagery, like being out at sea or in a desert setting, seem to be able to get away with slightly smaller file sizes. But even here, the reality is that save for the above exception, which is arguably highly dissimilar to the others, all of the WB UHDs are over 54.8 GB in size, with several more complex ones going over 60 GB, and with feature run times ranging from just 111-133 minutes.

So, without doing any math, my highly unscientific opinion regarding BvS would be that WB could probably max-out a 66 GB disc with the 151-minute cut and get away with it, but that the frenetic, complicated imagery in that version means the 182-minute cut would have to be seriously compressed to fit on anything but a UHD-100, and I'm not sure if the same WHV that has given us their recent BD and UHDs would do that.

But hey, it's WB, so I'm probably wrong, anyways.

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Old 06-02-2016, 12:37 AM   #36
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Would that matter if they had it on a 100GB disc?
Yes, because you're still dealing with total average bitrate of the video streams during the branching sections. That's irrespective of storage space. The bitrate specs between the BD-66 and BD-100 media is not that wide a gap.

Some of these films that have already been released on BD-66 should probably have been on BD-100's anyway with maxed out bitrates even without them dealing with branching. They're pushing a point even with HDR10 and 10 bit video with bitrates in the 40-50 Mbps range. I've worked with 4k video and HEVC before. You need more than that.

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Old 06-02-2016, 01:06 AM   #37
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The Ultimate Cut seems a strange decision. Wonder how the animated footage will look upscaled.

Either way, I hope the regular Director's Cut is included in 4K as that is the definitive version IMO.
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With all the visual effects? I doubt it. It'll more than likely be a 2k upconvert.
I hope for a 4K master but you are probably correct.

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Some of these films that have already been released on BD-66 should probably have been on BD-100's anyway with maxed out bitrates even without them dealing with branching. They're pushing a point even with HDR10 and 10 bit video with bitrates in the 40-50 Mbps range. I've worked with 4k video and HEVC before. You need more than that.
What do they need?
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I hope for a 4K master but you are probably correct.



What do they need?
Complex footage should be over 100 Mbps to eliminate most obvious visible compression artifacts. Average probably in the 80's.

This will definitely be needed for 12 bit Dolby Vision and the higher quality and greater picture data it can entail (color and contrast and dynamic range), so maybe a little more.

The whole idea of 4k was to look great on even larger displays and projection screens... virtually 35mm quality... that can more easily unveil problems in the compression as well as banding, etc.

We've been at only a fraction of that for a loooong time.

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Old 06-02-2016, 02:06 AM   #40
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Given the movies length it better be a BD-100
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