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Old 01-28-2019, 04:26 PM   #21
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I totally agree on the lack of the Italian/original audio/dub usually being a big no no, but I don't own any Django yet (actually haven't even seen the movie yet ) and don't care. I did check the English dub and considered it to be tolerable.

Just checked and mine also shipped now. I am really prepared for the worst here, but who knows - maybe it'll suit me just fine.
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Any vendors that will ship to the US carrying this? This sounds like a train wreck and I want to gawk at it.
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Any vendors that will ship to the US carrying this? This sounds like a train wreck and I want to gawk at it.
https://www.futuremovieshop.fi/django-1966-p-2094.html

Didn't order mine with them, because they didn't have it yet when I last checked, but I can recommend them. And they do ship to the US AFAIK.
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Old 01-31-2019, 06:10 AM   #24
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Nordic retailer CDON has shipped some orders. Report in the Finnish Blu-ray forum indicates that this is a Verbatim branded BD-R disc albeit it's BD50. Apparently, disc surface has a darkish look typical to BD-R discs.

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PIONEER BD-RW BDR-209D 1.50 (SATA)
Current Profile: BD-R

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
State of Last Session: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 23 652 352
Size: 48 440 016 896 bytes
Time: 5256:06:52 (MM:SS:FF)
MID: VERBAT-IMf-000
Supported Read Speeds: 8x
Current Read Speed: 3,3x - 8x
Video is BT 709 SDR @ ~60 MBps and audio is English only dd @ 192 kbps. It was not clearly stated if video is 8-bit or 10-bit BT709.

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Old 01-31-2019, 04:24 PM   #25
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Watching it right now. Only dolby digital english. Disc looks burned not pressed.
The movie starts right away after you chose subtitles.
The opening credits looks like ass. But after that I was plesantly suprised with the PQ.
The reds look nuclear though.
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Old 01-31-2019, 05:32 PM   #26
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OK, BD-R really is a bummer in my book. Sometimes you win ... But another lesson learned.
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Report in the Finnish Blu-ray forum indicates that this is a Verbatim branded BD-R disc albeit it's BD50. Apparently, disc surface has a darkish look typical to BD-R discs.

PIONEER BD-RW BDR-209D 1.50 (SATA)
Current Profile: BD-R

Disc Information:
Status: Complete
State of Last Session: Complete
Erasable: No
Sessions: 1
Sectors: 23 652 352
Size: 48 440 016 896 bytes
Time: 5256:06:52 (MM:SS:FF)
MID: VERBAT-IMf-000
Supported Read Speeds: 8x
Current Read Speed: 3,3x - 8x

Video is BT 709 SDR @ ~60 MBps and audio is English only dd @ 192 kbps. It was not clearly stated if video is 8-bit or 10-bit BT709.
Pioneer BDR-209D is not a player that can read UHD discs. So how could the disc information be possible?
I have that player as well, but it can´t read UHD discs.

I also have a Pioneer BDR-S11J-X which is a UHD player.
Is there a software to be able to get the disc information from the player? If yes, I can check with my UHD reader.
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Pioneer BDR-209D is not a player that can read UHD discs. So how could the disc information be possible?
I have that player as well, but it can´t read UHD discs.

I also have a Pioneer BDR-S11J-X which is a UHD player.
Is there a software to be able to get the disc information from the player? If yes, I can check with my UHD reader.
This release is on a "normal" 50GB dual layer blu-ray which is a valid option for UHD so the older drives can read this.
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Old 02-01-2019, 10:52 PM   #29
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... what?
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... what?
They stuck a UHD encoded movie on a normal 50gb BD-R disc so an older non-UHD PC drive should be able to read it. If my reading of the specs PDF linked earlier in the thread is correct the 50gb discs are the same physical format between BD and UHD it's just the content them that differs.
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... what?
The UHD spec covers three different disc types: BD-50, BD-66, and BD-100. BD-50 discs are very rare and, AFAIK, are limited to these kinds of cheap releases where the studio can't be bothered to get actual discs pressed, presumably due to the cost.
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Old 02-02-2019, 07:47 PM   #32
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I get that there are 50GB UHD discs, but I don't get at all the whole "old players can read them" thing. Surely they are... well, UHD discs, and not BD discs. Unless I'm totally misreading something here.
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I will be getting this in BD or UHD depending on quality
Ok went on ordering just the BD. Can't wait to do comparisons with my Blue Undergound BD. Have anyone here compared the Nordic BD with the BU BD?
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Old 02-03-2019, 08:22 PM   #34
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I get that there are 50GB UHD discs, but I don't get at all the whole "old players can read them" thing. Surely they are... well, UHD discs, and not BD discs. Unless I'm totally misreading something here.
UHD-BDs basically (and practically) are BDXLs. That's why the proper BD drives with the proper firmware can read them.
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Pioneer BDR-209D is not a player that can read UHD discs. So how could the disc information be possible?
As previous writers already mentioned it's a BD50 Blu-ray disc (burnt Verbatim BD-R) which has UHD BD authored video content on it. You may put that disc in any BD drive and it can read the content. I do not know but I suspect that content is not even AACS/2 protected. I may be wrong about the protection though.

This is somewhat similar to AVCHD. You can have HD content which is practically Blu-ray compatible on a DVD disc.
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As previous writers already mentioned it's a BD50 Blu-ray disc (burnt Verbatim BD-R) which has UHD BD authored video content on it. You may put that disc in any BD drive and it can read the content. I do not know but I suspect that content is not even AACS/2 protected. I may be wrong about the protection though.

This is somewhat similar to AVCHD. You can have HD content which is practically Blu-ray compatible on a DVD disc.
I know it´s a 50GB disc, I posted that January 25.

When I start Django 4K I get this:
Django.jpg

When I start any other 4K disc, I get this:
HDR.jpg

Media information from my Oppo:
Color Space.jpg

Color Space: BT709

Color Space from all other true 4K discs I have: BT2020

Django isn´t a "true" UHD release?
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Django isn´t a "true" UHD release?
As long as it's 4K it still is a true UHD release at least content wise - HDR/2020 isn't mandatory and 4K/709 is a very valid option.

Whether a BD-R should be allowed to be sold as UHD-BD is another story though.
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Old 02-05-2019, 08:03 AM   #38
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There are handful of 4K SDR discs out there. As mentioned it's perfectly legimate video format for UHD BD. It's 4K but does not take advantage of any other improvements possible, WCG and HDR.
Only thing confusing me is that your telly must be misinterpreting 4K SDR content if its infoscreen states 1080p. Oppo's info screen is 99,9% correct. Some 4K SDR discs out there are 10-bit whereas Django seems to be only 8-bit.
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I think matey's talking about the menus rather than the film when he says "starting the disc". The menus are 1080p, movie is 2160p?
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^Yes, must be that. Mezzanine's "1080p" photo is from menus and "2160p" photo from feature itself.
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