Epson EH-LS12000B or Optoma UHZ65LV?

[dazkyl]

Hi guys,

as the title says I am between these 2 projectors for 4K movie viewing. No gaming or any other media except for movies.

Please let me know which one would you choose and why.

Thanks

[samlop10]

Definitely the Epson.

Better native contrast, better handling of HDR, better black levels, better image processing.

[HDTV1080P]

I would not get either projector personally since both of them are not true 4K projectors since they do not have a native 4K imaging chip. The Sony WX5000ES LCOS Laser projector is an entry level projector with native 3840 x 2160P imaging chip for $6,000.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ojector-review

However like the post mentions you are only interested in the two models mentioned. The one advantage of the Optoma UHZ65LV for $5,999 is that it has more resolution on the imaging chip when compared to the Epson LS12000. The Optoma uses a native 2716 x 1528P imaging chip with pixel shifting technology to simulate near 4K quality, however no HDR10+ on that projector. If I was not allowed to go with the native 4K Sony for $6,000, then I would choose the Epson LS12000 for $4,999 with a native 1,920 x 1080P LCD imaging panels that are optically shifted to simulate 4K resolution. The advantage of the Epson is the HDR10+ which offers the better picture quality then the Optoma when viewing native HDR10+ source material on 4K Blu-ray and 4K streaming. But the Optoma should provide better resolution because of a better imaging chip then the Epson when viewing 4K material. But overall picture quality should be for the Epson with the HDR10+ and better native contrast according to reviews and spec sheets. But finding a projector dealer to demo the projectors would be ideal to see the projectors in person. Only the Optoma projector offers Blu-ray 3D support which is a 1080P format, and if I was into 3D I would choose the Optoma. But for 2D 4K viewing the Epson would be better with HDR10+ material. But the true native 4K Sony for $6,000 is the best option for 4K Blu-ray viewing since one gets all the pixels on the screen.

Epson LS12000 professional review

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ojector-review

Optoma UHZ65LV specs

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...tor.html/specs

[dazkyl]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

I would not get either projector personally since both of them are not true 4K projectors since they do not have a native 4K imaging chip. The Sony WX5000ES LCOS Laser projector is an entry level projector with native 3840 x 2160P imaging chip for $6,000.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ojector-review

However like the post mentions you are only interested in the two models mentioned. The one advantage of the Optoma UHZ65LV for $5,999 is that it has more resolution on the imaging chip when compared to the Epson LS12000. The Optoma uses a native 2716 x 1528P imaging chip with pixel shifting technology to simulate near 4K quality, however no HDR10+ on that projector. If I was not allowed to go with the native 4K Sony for $6,000, then I would choose the Epson LS12000 for $4,999 with a native 1,920 x 1080P LCD imaging panels that are optically shifted to simulate 4K resolution. The advantage of the Epson is the HDR10+ which offers the better picture quality then the Optoma when viewing native HDR10+ source material on 4K Blu-ray and 4K streaming. But the Optoma should provide better resolution because of a better imaging chip then the Epson when viewing 4K material. But overall picture quality should be for the Epson with the HDR10+ and better native contrast according to reviews and spec sheets. But finding a projector dealer to demo the projectors would be ideal to see the projectors in person. Only the Optoma projector offers Blu-ray 3D support which is a 1080P format, and if I was into 3D I would choose the Optoma. But for 2D 4K viewing the Epson would be better with HDR10+ material. But the true native 4K Sony for $6,000 is the best option for 4K Blu-ray viewing since one gets all the pixels on the screen.

Epson LS12000 professional review

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...ojector-review

Optoma UHZ65LV specs

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...tor.html/specs

Hi man. Thanks for such detailed answer. I will have a look at the Sony. Is that the best 4k projector money can buy?

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by dazkyl

Hi man. Thanks for such detailed answer. I will have a look at the Sony. Is that the best 4k projector money can buy?

The best 4K DLP projector money can buy would be a dual Christie 4K Digital projector setup that one experiences in a IMAX and Dolby Cinema theater. But that would cost $400,000+ just for the dual projectors. IMAX and Dolby Cinema theaters in the home can run over $1 million dollars once a dedicated building or room is built with high end audio.

The best quality single projector setups are Christie DLP Digital projectors for $113,000 to $150,000+.

https://proavwarehouse.com/digital-p...ser-projector/

The best Sony LCOS projector is the VPL-GTZ380 for $80,000. 10,000 LUMENS output

https://electronics.sony.com/tv-vide...rs/p/vplgtz380

However, for the average home theater, the best native 4K projector (LCOS) would be the JVC DLA-NZ9 with HDR10+ and 8K e-shift technology. Price is $25,999.95 and it offers Blu-ray 3D support.

https://www.jvc.com/usa/projectors/procision/dla-nz9/

[dazkyl]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

The best 4K DLP projector money can buy would be a dual Christie 4K Digital projector setup that one experiences in a IMAX and Dolby Cinema theater. But that would cost $400,000+ just for the dual projectors. IMAX and Dolby Cinema theaters in the home can run over $1 million dollars once a dedicated building or room is built with high end audio.

The best quality single projector setups are Christie DLP Digital projectors for $113,000 to $150,000+.

https://proavwarehouse.com/digital-p...ser-projector/

The best Sony LCOS projector is the VPL-GTZ380 for $80,000. 10,000 LUMENS output

https://electronics.sony.com/tv-vide...rs/p/vplgtz380

However, for the average home theater, the best native 4K projector (LCOS) would be the JVC DLA-NZ9 with HDR10+ and 8K e-shift technology. Price is $25,999.95 and it offers Blu-ray 3D support.

https://www.jvc.com/usa/projectors/procision/dla-nz9/

Woah! Thats alot of money. I still trying to figure out wether to go for OLED or Projector. A projector gives me more of a cinema vibe. Regarding the projectors, which is the best projector for a good home cinema? Budget is around €5,000-€7,000. I think that epson is up there with the best projectors that is not a crazy amount of money like 25k. 4k is enough. We still have a long way for 8k plus they’re so very expensive.

[samlop10]

I would definitely recommend an OLED over a projector unless you have enough light-control that you can use it in pitch-black conditions. Otherwise you’ll be sacrificing picture quality since any ambient light will washout the projectedimage. An OLED can work better with some ambient light, as long as you don’t have all the windows open and lights on in the room.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by samlop10

I would definitely recommend an OLED over a projector unless you have enough light-control that you can use it in pitch-black conditions. Otherwise you’ll be sacrificing picture quality since any ambient light will washout the projectedimage. An OLED can work better with some ambient light, as long as you don’t have all the windows open and lights on in the room.

You are correct most home theater projectors are not bright enough to be watched with the lights on in the room or with sunshine coming through the windows. Most consumer projectors require a completely dark home theater room.

However, there are high-end native 4K DLP projectors that offer 50,000 and 60,000 lumens that can be used in a bright rooms with lights on or sunshine coming through the windows. But they generally cost over $100,000.

I see now that for the first time a native 8K DLP imaging chip has been developed with a resolution of 7680 x 4320P with the new Digital Projection Insight Laser 8K projector. I do not see a price on this projector but I believe it might cost $300,000-$400,000+. Maybe more. It’s for professional installations in a commercial movie theater, big business, or a mansion home theater room.

UPDATED PRICE AND INFO LINK FOR THE NATIVE 8K PROJECOTR https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1373

https://www.digitalprojection.com/en...ser-8k-gen-ii/ (neat new native 8K DLP projector)

https://na.panasonic.com/us/audio-vi...aser-projector (50,000 lumens)

https://www.barco.com/en/product/xdl-4k60#specs (60,000 lumens)

[dazkyl]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

You are correct most home theater projectors are not bright enough to be watched with the lights on in the room or with sunshine coming through the windows. Most consumer projectors require a completely dark home theater room.

However, there are high-end native 4K DLP projectors that offer 50,000 and 60,000 lumens that can be used in a bright rooms with lights on or sunshine coming through the windows. But they generally cost over $100,000.

I see now that for the first time a native 8K DLP imaging chip has been developed with a resolution of 7680 x 4320P with the new Digital Projection Insight Laser 8K projector. I do not see a price on this projector but I believe it might cost $300,000-$400,000+. Maybe more. It’s for professional installations in a commercial movie theater, big business, or a mansion home theater room.

UPDATED PRICE AND INFO LINK FOR THE NATIVE 8K PROJECOTR https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=1373

https://www.digitalprojection.com/en...ser-8k-gen-ii/ (neat new native 8K DLP projector)

https://na.panasonic.com/us/audio-vi...aser-projector (50,000 lumens)

https://www.barco.com/en/product/xdl-4k60#specs (60,000 lumens)

I was look at either the Sony vpl-xw5000es or the Sony vpl-xw6000es. I am sure this is more than enough for native 4k in a dark room on a 115-130'' screen. Which model from jvc would be the challenger for these models from Sony?

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by dazkyl

I was look at either the Sony vpl-xw5000es or the Sony vpl-xw6000es. I am sure this is more than enough for native 4k in a dark room on a 115-130'' screen. Which model from jvc would be the challenger for these models from Sony?

All the new native 4K JVC’s have HDR10+ starting with the entry level model DLA-RS1100 and DLA-NP5 with a list price of $6,999.95. Therefore, JVC’s entry level models are a $1,000 more than Sony’s entry level native 4K projector. Also all of JVC’s including the enter level model support Blu-ray 3D plus native 4096 x 2160P resolution along with the consumer 3840 x 2160P 4K mode. However, you might not want to get the entry level JVC DLA-RS1100 or DLA-NP5 for $7,000 since they are not Laser based light sources but instead use a bulb (lamp) source that needs to be replaced every 4,500 hours. The cheapest JVC projector with a Laser light source that lasts up to 20,000 hours is the JVC DLA-NZ7 and DLA-RS2100 for $10,999.95. The entry level Sony VPL-XW5000ES for $6,000 has features removed in order to get to that price point (No 3D, no native 4096 x 2160P instead native 3840 x 2160P 4K, manual lens adjustment, and no HDMI version 2.1). When comparing the Sony VPL-XW6000ES projector with 2,500 lumens for $11,999.99 the closes JVC version would be the JVC DLA-NZ8 and DLA-RS3100 for $15,999.95. The JVC costs $4,000 more then the Sony for various reasons. JVC has HDR10+ and its native 4K imaging chip simulates 8K with e-shift and it has a native 8K HDMI input.

[dazkyl]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

All the new native 4K JVC’s have HDR10+ starting with the entry level model DLA-RS1100 and DLA-NP5 with a list price of $6,999.95. Therefore, JVC’s entry level models are a $1,000 more than Sony’s entry level native 4K projector. Also all of JVC’s including the enter level model support Blu-ray 3D plus native 4096 x 2160P resolution along with the consumer 3840 x 2160P 4K mode. However, you might not want to get the entry level JVC DLA-RS1100 or DLA-NP5 for $7,000 since they are not Laser based light sources but instead use a bulb (lamp) source that needs to be replaced every 4,500 hours. The cheapest JVC projector with a Laser light source that lasts up to 20,000 hours is the JVC DLA-NZ7 and DLA-RS2100 for $10,999.95. The entry level Sony VPL-XW5000ES for $6,000 has features removed in order to get to that price point (No 3D, no native 4096 x 2160P instead native 3840 x 2160P 4K, manual lens adjustment, and no HDMI version 2.1). When comparing the Sony VPL-XW6000ES projector with 2,500 lumens for $11,999.99 the closes JVC version would be the JVC DLA-NZ8 and DLA-RS3100 for $15,999.95. The JVC costs $4,000 more then the Sony for various reasons. JVC has HDR10+ and its native 4K imaging chip simulates 8K with e-shift and it has a native 8K HDMI input.

The nz7 is very interesting. Do you like the model and what’s the price of it?

[samlop10]

Yeah I’m sure those projectors look amazing, but they cost a mortgage lol. Thankfully, just like most technology, it gets cheaper with time and eventually begins trickling down to more consumer-level prices.

[Kandiru]

Epson LS12000 will do full Dolby Vision with an 8k Arcana2 spoofer inserted in the pathway from receiver/processor to the projector. Looks out of this world.

JVC with comparable features will cost double, the quad pixel shifting on the LS12000 has some swear it looks just as good as native panels.

Don't forget the LS11000 little brother, almost same machine with lower contrast in a white chassis.

[roar]

Which one did you end up getting dazkyl?

Epson EH-LS12000B:

• The EH-LS12000B is a laser-based projector, offering long-lasting and consistent image quality over time.
• It provides a high brightness level, which can be advantageous for well-lit rooms or larger screens.
• Epson projectors are known for their excellent color accuracy and image processing capabilities.
• The EH-LS12000B offers a wide range of connectivity options, allowing for easy integration with various devices.

Optoma UHZ65LV:

• The UHZ65LV is also a laser-based projector, providing long-lasting performance and consistent image quality.
• It offers an impressive contrast ratio, resulting in deep blacks and vibrant colors.
• The UHZ65LV has a higher resolution compared to the EH-LS12000B, supporting native 4K content.
• It is known for its excellent image sharpness and detail.

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Ultimately, the choice between the two projectors depends on your specific preferences and viewing environment. If you prioritize color accuracy and connectivity options, the Epson EH-LS12000B might be a better fit. On the other hand, if image sharpness and contrast are more important to you, the Optoma UHZ65LV could be the right choice.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by satishk

Epson EH-LS12000B:

• The EH-LS12000B is a laser-based projector, offering long-lasting and consistent image quality over time.
• It provides a high brightness level, which can be advantageous for well-lit rooms or larger screens.
• Epson projectors are known for their excellent color accuracy and image processing capabilities.
• The EH-LS12000B offers a wide range of connectivity options, allowing for easy integration with various devices.

Optoma UHZ65LV:

• The UHZ65LV is also a laser-based projector, providing long-lasting performance and consistent image quality.
• It offers an impressive contrast ratio, resulting in deep blacks and vibrant colors.
• The UHZ65LV has a higher resolution compared to the EH-LS12000B, supporting native 4K content.
• It is known for its excellent image sharpness and detail.

.

Ultimately, the choice between the two projectors depends on your specific preferences and viewing environment. If you prioritize color accuracy and connectivity options, the Epson EH-LS12000B might be a better fit. On the other hand, if image sharpness and contrast are more important to you, the Optoma UHZ65LV could be the right choice.

The Epson has more native contrast. They usually measure around 5,000:1 native where as the Optoma will be closer to 1,000:1 native. Seeing rainbows can be an issue with the Optoma as well (more of an individual thing), but it will have an advantage with image sharpness and detail for sure.