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Old 09-03-2018, 11:49 AM   #1
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Default New Sony 2018 4K/HDR projectors

Since nobody here brought this up yet, thought I would mention it.


https://www.avforums.com/news/sony-l...ifa-2018.15227




So in a nutshell:


The 270ES (US: 295ES) will replace the 260ES (US: 285ES).

The 570ES (US: 695ES) will replace both the 360ES (US: 385ES) and the 550ES (US: 675ES).

The new 870ES laser (US: 995ES) will be added to the 4K roster, the 2017 760ES laser (US: 885ES) will remain part of that.




Improvements for the 270ES and 570ES:

-Full 18 Gbps (which means no more banding on 4K/HDR games @ 60hz)
-Motionflow for 4K
-Enhanced Reality Creation functionality
-HDR reference mode for 1000 nits content


I seem to remember there were a couple of members here that would like to have a Sony 4K projector, but the banding in 4K/HDR @ 60hz was a major issue for them. Not only has that problem been solved, you now also get other improvements.

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I was one of those that wished they supported full 18GBPS. Of course now that they will have options for that, I cannot afford it.
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I was one of those that wished they supported full 18GBPS. Of course now that they will have options for that, I cannot afford it.
I'd have to think the entry level would be priced the same as last years... $5K. We will find out later this week though. I really want to see the JVC side by side with the Sony! Looking forward to that.
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I'm at CEDIA in San Diego and will be reporting here on my opinions of the 3 new Sony projectors.
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Old 09-07-2018, 01:13 AM   #6
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I'd have to think the entry level would be priced the same as last years... $5K. We will find out later this week though. I really want to see the JVC side by side with the Sony! Looking forward to that.
In my country the 270ES has the same price as the previous entry level 260ES had last year, which is 4999 Euros. So I think you would be right concerning the price. The new 570ES has a 7999 Euros price tag. The models which it is replacing, last year's 360ES and the older 550ES, cost 6999 Euros and 9999 Euros respectively over here. So the 570Es falls right in the middle of those two when it comes to pricing.

I upgraded from a 260ES to a 360ES only a couple of months ago, and now Sony brings these updated models to the table (rather unexpectedly I might add). I'm still deciding on whether I should sell my 360ES now and go for the 570ES instead. At that price, I would like the 1800 lumens (instead of the 1500 on the 360ES) but also being able to use True Cinema mode for 4k content, as well as a banding free picture when doing 4K/HDR 60hz gaming.


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I'm at CEDIA in San Diego and will be reporting here on my opinions of the 3 new Sony projectors.
Looking forward in reading your opinion on these, the 570ES in particular.

Have you heard anything by chance, about the 270ES and 570ES possibly having better black levels and contrast when compared to their 2017 counterparts? Would there be any other (small) changes Sony has made to them besides what is known for now? Any other info about the 570ES would be welcome as well.

I wonder how the HDR reference mode on these Sony's will hold up against the HDR optimizer on the Panasonic 820? That would be a very interesting comparison I think. Also curious about the updated Reality Creation, especially considering it was already such a great feature on the previous models.
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I think I will still be very content with my 285. While 18gbs bandwidth and input lag for 4K are nice upgrades, the actual use I would get from either is pretty limited. Hopefully I’ll still be able to get a few more years out of my 285 before I start lusting for the latest and greatest.
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Very nice review, thanks for posting it!
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Let's say $10k is the maximum I could afford, what are my best options?

What do I gain by spending $5k versus $10k?

I am still probably a several months away from getting my home theater built, so I am still in my information gathering phase. Thanks all for your input!
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Are these also 3D capable?
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Are these also 3D capable?
They sure are (no glasses included though)!
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Are these also 3D capable?
The VPL-VW295ES has a built-in 3D transmitter that supports 3D video in a variety of formats, and can even simulate your 2D movie classics to high-quality 3D immersive video. The optional glasses use an industry-standard RF connection, making it easy to upgrade to a 3D theater experience.


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I own the Sony VPL-VW385ES 4K HDR projector and it's amazing!! So I can't even imagine how good the new 395ES will look!!
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I own the Sony VPL-VW385ES 4K HDR projector and it's amazing!! So I can't even imagine how good the new 395ES will look!!
Actually it's called the 695ES in the US (570ES in Europe) and apparently it will not look a whole lot better than the 385. It's more a matter of small improvements they have made rather than a completely new and different model.

I had just gotten my 360ES (385ES in the US) when the 695 was announced. I thought about selling it (then still unused) in order to get a 695 but ultimately decided to stick with the 385. And honestly, I have no regrets. The only real benefit for me personally would have been more lumens (1800 instead of the 385's 1500). The other improvements (which I mentioned in my first post) do not seem to make a huge difference and aren't that important to me after all (with Motionflow being completely useless as I never use any motion interpolation, and True Cinema is not needed anyway for my projector). One other thing that could be added to the new features also, is a low input lag mode for 4K gaming (a feature which was limited to 1080p on the 2017 projectors). But again, not something I would absolutely need as I rarely play games on my projector. Some people claim the 295 and 695 have slightly better contrast and black levels than their 2017 predecessors, but there haven't been any actual comparisons yet as far as I know.

So I decided to save some money this time around and do the projector upgrade next time. Until then, our 385/360 will do just fine. Because like you said yourself, it's amazing.
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Thanks for the link, I love Vincent's reviews.

It's a shame input lag reduction is only available for HD on the 2017 Sony projectors. I would have liked to use it for 4K movie content, to get rid of whatever little processing Sony has going on in the background. I've read this has always been the case. Would sure be interesting if you could just turn it off in the menus as Vincent suggested.
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